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State panel wants more information before ruling on Obama’s ballot eligibility
Lawrence KS Journal-World ^ | September 13, 2012 | John Hanna

Posted on 09/14/2012 7:03:55 AM PDT by iowamark

Kansas election officials said Thursday that they want more information before deciding whether to remove President Barack Obama from the state’s November ballot.

The all-Republican State Objections Board heard arguments Thursday on a claim from a Manhattan, Kan., resident that Obama is not eligible to be president because his father was from Kenya. The resident, Joe Montgomery, also questions whether Obama has a valid birth certificate.

The notion that Obama was born anywhere other than in Hawaii has long been discredited, and the White House released his long-form birth certificate last year. Hawaii officials also have repeatedly confirmed his citizenship. His mother was a Kansas native.

The state board is led by Secretary of State Kris Kobach, an ardent voter ID proponent who during his successful 2010 campaign suggested Obama should produce his long-form birth certificate to quell doubts about his status. The board’s other members are Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer.

The board, which would have the final say on the ballot absent a court challenge, plans to meet again Monday and may rule then. Time to make changes is running out, however, as ballots to overseas military personnel must be mailed before the end of September...

Montgomery also argued that to be eligible for president, both of Obama’s parents had to be U.S. citizens when he was born, another long-circulating claim that includes citations of U.S. Supreme Court decisions, some more than a century old...

But the board said Thursday it wants certified documents from Hawaii. Kobach plans to have his staff contact officials in Arizona and Mississippi, which also have looked into such issues. Hawaii sent Arizona official verification of Obama’s birth records...

(Excerpt) Read more at 2.ljworld.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; kansas; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: butterdezillion
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21 posted on 09/14/2012 10:31:05 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: butterdezillion
http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/return-receipt-dnc-chair-ks.jpg?w=450&h=618
22 posted on 09/14/2012 10:39:25 AM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: spokeshave

Thank you! Now everybody can see that Joan Wagnon was informed by Attorney Larry Klayman that the legal presumption at this point has to be that Obama is not eligible and cannot be eligible without a legal procedure to determine the probative value of his legally non-valid HI BC.

She needs to watch what she says.


23 posted on 09/14/2012 10:39:25 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: timestax

Thanks! You guys are GOOD! =)


24 posted on 09/14/2012 10:40:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Just wait until they get a call to quickly enact a vexious email law. You know Jarrett would it if she could.


25 posted on 09/14/2012 10:43:05 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

The members of the Kansas legislature have all been sent e-mails with Klayman’s letter attached. So if they screw around with this they will also have no legal excuse.


26 posted on 09/14/2012 10:46:34 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Thank you for the information Butter...


27 posted on 09/14/2012 11:08:30 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: rarestia
Sadly, without a wholesale disassembling of both chambers and new elections across the board, we're going to be stuck with the same entrenched mentality ad infinitum.

Or until we find some other means to re-establish popular and individual sovereignty.

28 posted on 09/14/2012 11:59:33 AM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: Elendur; iowamark
Sun Yat Sen
Born in China AND Hawaii.


29 posted on 09/14/2012 12:44:56 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
More specifically, he was Born in China in 1866 AND in Hawaii in 1876.

Pretty amazing feat!

30 posted on 09/14/2012 12:49:36 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: iowamark; All
Apparently, the guy that filed the complaint seeks to withdraw it due to intimidation/threats:

Kansan seeks end to Obama ballot challenge - Critic notes 'intimidation' in withdrawal request

31 posted on 09/14/2012 2:12:45 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Intimidation??? Is that legal?


32 posted on 09/14/2012 4:05:07 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: InterceptPoint; All

NO wonder we end jp with idiots lie Obama. We have morons who vote for them


33 posted on 09/14/2012 9:29:58 PM PDT by FARS
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To: InterceptPoint; All

NO wonder we end jp with idiots lie Obama. We have morons who vote for them


34 posted on 09/14/2012 9:30:07 PM PDT by FARS
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To: butterdezillion
Butter, I hope those who have access to the panel are making them aware of the Naturalization Act of 1790, (see
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2923368/posts?page=1#1) which states,

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens” – Naturalization Act 1790
As the author of that article said,

You can repeal a law, but you can’t repeal evidence, and the Naturalization Act of 1790 is unequivocal evidence of exactly what the US Congress meant by “Natural Born Citizen”.

I don't see how the meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" could be any clearer -- and Øbozo definitely is not one -- if he stands by his BC claims!!!

35 posted on 09/14/2012 10:07:09 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: MHGinTN
See my #35. There was never any rational doubt as to McCain's NBC status...
36 posted on 09/14/2012 10:16:20 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: rarestia
I think the problem that a lot of these courts face is knowing that as soon as one of them approves the removal of Obama from a state ballot, SCOTUS will be inundated with calls to vacate every law he’s signed and have him arrested for defrauding the American electorate.

No court in the land, no matter how conservative, wants to bring the sort of Constitutional crisis upon us that this would invite.

Justice is suppose to be blind. It doesn't care if a just sentence will upset people. For any court to make a false judgment based upon a fear of the consequences, is so wrong that words fail me trying to describe how wrong it is. Courts must do their job, without bending because of possible outcomes to upholding the law.

37 posted on 09/14/2012 10:32:15 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: TXnMA

Well, since the 1794 Act repealed that little clause, why are you trying to push the version which was repealed four years later?


38 posted on 09/15/2012 7:43:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN; butterdezillion
Because the 1790 wording re NBC (independent of the "foreign birth" bit) gives clear evidence as to the founders' definition of NBC. As the author stated:

You can repeal a law, but you can’t repeal evidence, and the Naturalization Act of 1790 is unequivocal evidence of exactly what the US Congress meant by “Natural Born Citizen”.

Read the whole article at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2923368/posts?page=1#1

Or... don't you give a flip about the "original Constitutional intent" re NBC imposed by Article 2, and defined by 1790 re NBC (which was not repealed by 1796...)? [See

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/naturalization/naturalization_page3.html:

Sec. 3. "And let it be further enacted... ...the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as [mere] citizens [not NBC] of the United States. That the right of [even mere] Citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..."

None of the above modified the dual citizen jus sanguinis requirements for NBC; it merely addresses jus solis (with the further stipulation that, in Øbozo's case, proof of residency of his [alien] claimed father would impart [mere] citizenship [and not NBC] status). Failure of such paternal residency proof would render Øbozo totally alien...

Under the Constitution, 1790, and 1796, there is zero possibility that Øbozo can qualify to be President. And, if McCain were born in a Panamanian (rather than a US. military) hospital, neither can he.

Øbozo may qualify as [mere] Citizen. But, there is NO WAY he can qualify as NBC with the parentage he claims.

39 posted on 09/15/2012 11:24:22 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: butterdezillion

Great response. Will craft my own.

I’m not a lawyer, but of what I just read of the False Claims Act, it looks like it only applies to contractors who make false claims in the course of filing for government reimbursement? Not sure how it would apply to journalists, since if it did, most of the MSM would be in jail.


40 posted on 09/15/2012 12:33:23 PM PDT by CaptainFud
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