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Kaine: 'I Would Be Open to a Proposal to Have Some Minimum Tax Level for Everyone' (Video at Link)
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Posted on 09/20/2012 10:26:22 AM PDT by Perdogg

Virginia Senate candidate Tim Kaine, a Democrat, said that he's open to having a "minimum tax level for everyone":

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1 posted on 09/20/2012 10:26:25 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

I’d like to see a flat tax on every dollar above minimum wage.

Easy. Simple.


2 posted on 09/20/2012 10:28:51 AM PDT by marron
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To: Perdogg

ugh

even the poorest pay sales taxes


3 posted on 09/20/2012 10:28:55 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Perdogg

So would I. We have to get away from a society where half the people don’t pay any tax and the tax burden is shifted almost entirely to the “rich”. If Kaine is saying every single person must pay at least XX% of their income in tax no matter what their income level, I’m all for it.


4 posted on 09/20/2012 10:29:53 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: GeronL

I think the 14th amendment says the government must treat us all the same and the entire progressive tax structure is unConstitutional.

They should not be able to take 10 from me and nothing from someone else.

They should not be giving free food, medical, housing, education to one citizen and not to another.


5 posted on 09/20/2012 10:31:03 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: Perdogg

Is Kaine saying we should make the “no tax” crowd pay some tax?


6 posted on 09/20/2012 10:31:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Perdogg

Cut the damned government already!!


7 posted on 09/20/2012 10:31:23 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Perdogg

Mr. Allen please pick up the white courtesy phone.

Your campaign commerical has been made for you.


8 posted on 09/20/2012 10:31:49 AM PDT by NeoCaveman ("If I had a son he'd look like B.O.'s lunch" - Rin Tin Tin)
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To: Jim Robinson

AMEN!!!


9 posted on 09/20/2012 10:32:39 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: edcoil

I totally agree.

That is why I oppose all forms of subsidies and price controls.


10 posted on 09/20/2012 10:33:09 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Perdogg

I get what he was saying, and he was trying to sound moderate, i.e. making some of the 47% pay something.

But this is going to kill him. LOL!


11 posted on 09/20/2012 10:33:56 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Me, too. Everyone who votes for politicians who spend our money need to have some “skin in the game’, to use the Kenyan Buffoon’s phrase.


12 posted on 09/20/2012 10:34:06 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Perdogg

He’s probably really thinking about extending the AMT down into the rest of the middle class.


13 posted on 09/20/2012 10:35:22 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Perdogg

i tend to agree...


14 posted on 09/20/2012 10:35:45 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: nhwingut
But this is going to kill him. LOL!

Team Allen, needs to start pounding the message to the poor that Kaine wantst to taxt them :)

15 posted on 09/20/2012 10:37:04 AM PDT by NeoCaveman ("If I had a son he'd look like B.O.'s lunch" - Rin Tin Tin)
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To: Perdogg; SeekAndFind

I don’t believe Kaine. His big left eyebrow, probably raised 3 inches when he said this. That is known as a “Tell” to serious poker players. The “Tell” lets us know that the person just lied and is bluffing!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2933886/posts

Romney Locks Up 53% of the Vote (We are the 53%)
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Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 8:42:59 AM by SeekAndFind

Mitt Romney recently said that 47% of the population pay no taxes while still receiving government benefits. This likely alienated the 47%, who Romney rightly noted are mostly voting for Obama. But it thrilled the 53% who do pay taxes. Because that 53% are sick and tired of moochers calling the shots.


16 posted on 09/20/2012 10:39:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Perdogg
Never EVER is the idea of cutting spending EVER considered as part of the equation.

It's always "how can we increase spending and yet make everyone happy at the same time".

17 posted on 09/20/2012 10:40:51 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: palmer
He’s probably really thinking about extending the AMT down into the rest of the middle class.

I'd be fine with that too. Anything that spreads out the tax pain will result in the middle class not voting itself more middle class benefits.

18 posted on 09/20/2012 10:41:30 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: NeoCaveman

I hope Romney is ready for a question like this. It is essentially tailored for Romney’s 47% remark.


19 posted on 09/20/2012 10:42:39 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: NeoCaveman
Team Allen, needs to start pounding the message to the poor that Kaine wantst to taxt them :)

“Virginians heard liberal Tim Kaine loud and clear today – his solution to 43 straight months of unemployment above 8 percent is to raise taxes on everyone, regardless of their income levels or economic struggles. Remarkable,” commented Brian Walsh, National Republican Senatorial Committee Communications Director.
20 posted on 09/20/2012 10:46:07 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: GeronL

And if they paid Kaine’s minimum tax, they’d get more government benefits to help them cover it.

This really IMO is an unproductive focus for small-government conservatives.


21 posted on 09/20/2012 10:49:17 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Perdogg

The Left on twitter is losing it over this!


22 posted on 09/20/2012 10:49:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Perdogg

Didn’t Michelle Bachmann say that during the debates awhile back?


23 posted on 09/20/2012 10:50:22 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Perdogg

Methinks one SHOULD be able to live here without taxes. In the home of liberty and freedom, the option of freedom from taxation should be possible.
Income tax? No income, no tax.
Property tax? That’s not a tax, that’s _rent_; if you own your real estate, you should OWN it - meaning you keep it regardless of whether you pay protection money for it.
Sales tax? Staple foods, and comparable other raw materials, should not be taxed.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not favoring the “47%”; they’re working a broken system.
No refundable tax credits.
No welfare, save for true “through the cracks” cases.
No subsidies.
Eliminate enough waste of tax revenue, eliminate enough “redistribution”, stop playing “world police”, and the need for taxes at all nearly evaporates.
Recognize that basic existence should not have to pay tribute money for continuation thereof; if you’re functioning at the bottom 5% of incomes, own what you own outright (no “protection money”), and really take care of your own square foot, the government should leave you the heck alone.

Life should be tax-free.
If anything gets taxed, it should be what really are luxuries.


24 posted on 09/20/2012 10:50:22 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Perdogg
The Republicans are such fools to allow the Democrats to change the discussion from spending to taxes.

The solution is not more taxes from more people, but cutting government spending at all levels.

25 posted on 09/20/2012 10:50:22 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Perdogg
If he'd said that to me, by response would have been. "Really? Interesting. What should the maximum tax be?
26 posted on 09/20/2012 10:51:15 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: 9YearLurker
And if they paid Kaine’s minimum tax, they’d get more government benefits to help them cover it.

But somewhere along the line they'd realize that money they earned is going to someone else who didn't work. That's an epiphany we should welcome.

27 posted on 09/20/2012 10:53:16 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: marron
I’d like to see a flat tax on every dollar above minimum wage. Easy. Simple.

... and would lead to constant demands to raise the minimum wage.

It's better to just have it be like most state taxes, and the social security and medicare taxes: you are taxed a fixed percent on ALL income, from the first dollar.

28 posted on 09/20/2012 10:56:14 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: PapaBear3625
... and would lead to constant demands to raise the minimum wage.

Good point.

29 posted on 09/20/2012 11:01:33 AM PDT by marron
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To: skeeter

Not really, if it’s circling back to them.

The original federal income tax was sold because it was going to apply only to the wealthy, it is bizarre to me that supposed conservatives are pushing now to make it more and more pervasive.


30 posted on 09/20/2012 11:04:26 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: edcoil

I hate taxes, but until we get to a fair tax or flat tax, it’s time for EVERYBODY to pay something.

Once you do have skin in the game, you will all of a sudden become aware of how your tax money is being wasted.


31 posted on 09/20/2012 11:06:20 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: 9YearLurker
The original federal income tax was sold because it was going to apply only to the wealthy, it is bizarre to me that supposed conservatives are pushing now to make it more and more pervasive.

Don't be confused. The answer is in the comment you posted above.

32 posted on 09/20/2012 11:07:51 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: nhwingut

Kaine must be losing to make such a statement. This is also proof that voters are not offended by Romney’s 47% statement.


33 posted on 09/20/2012 11:08:49 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: 9YearLurker

Progressive income taxes are immoral, imo.


34 posted on 09/20/2012 11:10:39 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Perdogg

Eliminate the Earned Income Tax Credit for starters.

Otherwise any talk about a minimum tax level for everyone is meanigless.


35 posted on 09/20/2012 11:15:51 AM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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To: Perdogg

Remember when Obama was babbling about everyone having “skin in the ganme”?

Of course he didn’t really nmean it but it is a concept that should be implemented.

People who have nothing invented in the federal government will always be in favor of more spending - after all, it’s not their money being given away or wasted.


36 posted on 09/20/2012 11:21:45 AM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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To: Perdogg

The Eyebrow is channeling his inner Walter Mondale.


37 posted on 09/20/2012 11:24:57 AM PDT by JPG (Make it happen)
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To: GeronL

” even the poorest pay sales taxes”

Absolutely. Everybody should have skin in the game.


38 posted on 09/20/2012 11:29:07 AM PDT by moovova
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To: skeeter

I’m not confused. We should be cutting back on federal taxes and spending, not broadening and increasing the same.


39 posted on 09/20/2012 11:31:18 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
We should be cutting back on federal taxes and spending, not broadening and increasing the same.

Which will NEVER happen, thanks to the fact that for nearly half of the voting public federal spending is all good and no bad.

40 posted on 09/20/2012 11:37:56 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: GeronL
even the poorest pay sales taxes

and cigarette tax

41 posted on 09/20/2012 11:42:58 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Perdogg
Virginia Senate candidate Tim Kaine, a Democrat, said that he's open to having a "minimum tax level for everyone,"

until after I win the election by tricking enough of you red-state rubes to vote for me, he though with a wry smile on his face, noticing at the same time President's hand slowly moving down his back to rest at his butt crack.
42 posted on 09/20/2012 11:47:28 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Perdogg
Anybody who thinks that "the poor don't pay taxes," doesn't know what they are talking about. The poor pay taxes in the goods they buy (you know, the ones that corporations "pass on to consumers"). They pay property taxes in their rent. They pay sales taxes. They pay taxes on cigarettes and alcohol. They pay gas taxes.

The poor just don't know how much they are paying. That way, they get to think that what they are getting from the government is "free." It is politically very useful to the fat cat limousine liberals that run the Slave Party, while still keeping the poor on the plantation.

In fact, the poor may pay a higher fraction of their income in taxes than do extremely wealthy people who hide their income in corporate expenses, tax exempt foundations, and offshore.

The Stupid Party has TOTALLY failed to communicate these facts to the public, playing the chump while feeding the Slave Party game of class warfare. It is a huge political opportunity to do such an analysis and they are so stuck in this fantasy Hegelian dialectic they can't even recognize it.

43 posted on 09/20/2012 11:49:44 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: marron

Flat tax or NRST would do that.


44 posted on 09/20/2012 11:51:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: KansasGirl

A progressive tax is unbiblical, and therefore against the moral law.

Biblical taxation was basically a head tax and everyone paid the same.


45 posted on 09/20/2012 11:53:40 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Carry_Okie

The point is that anyone that doesn’t pay a specific category of tax will be in favor of raising the rate of that category to keep the rate lower in the category that he DOES pay.


46 posted on 09/20/2012 11:55:14 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Perdogg

Everyone should have some skin in the game — including the poor. Even if it is just a token amount, but enough to give them pause when they hear promises of more government spending.

We’d have a much smaller government now if *everyone* had to ask himself, How much will this great new government program increase my taxes?


47 posted on 09/20/2012 11:55:46 AM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: MrB
The point is that anyone that doesn’t pay a specific category of tax will be in favor of raising the rate of that category to keep the rate lower in the category that he DOES pay.

I understood the point perfectly. It's a misleading idea.

48 posted on 09/20/2012 12:00:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: marron

I would like to see such a tax on every dollar above poverty level. Easy-peasy, no other deductions, exemptions or credits.


49 posted on 09/20/2012 12:01:31 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Perdogg
Virginia Senate candidate Tim Kaine, a Democrat, said that he's open to having a "minimum tax level for everyone."

Mr. Kaine, please say "hello" to the Alternative Minimum Tax, which is already a part of the Internal Revenue Code.

In short, we do not need your idea, and since you are the person who offered an idea we already have as a part of the status quo, we don't need you, either. You are the weakest link. Goodbye!
50 posted on 09/20/2012 12:01:37 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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