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Poll: '47 percent' gets more traction than 'You didn't build that'
The Hill ^ | 10/03/12 | Justin Sink

Posted on 10/03/2012 10:45:08 AM PDT by Evil Slayer

A new poll finds that Mitt Romney's secretly recorded comments about the "47 percent" of Americans who do not pay taxes did more to turn voters off than President Obama's "You didn't build that" remark at a campaign rally in Virginia.

According to a survey released Tuesday night by NBC News and The Wall Street Journal, 45 percent of voters said Romney's comments at a private fundraiser gave them a negative impression of the candidate. Alternatively, 23 percent said the comment gave them a more positive review of the candidate.

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what,” Romney says in video from the event, made public by Mother Jones. “All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing, to you name it.”

Romney adds his "job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

By contrast, voters actually had a positive impression of Obama's "you didn't build that" line during a rally in Roanoke, Va. Some 36 percent of respondents said they had a positive reaction to the comment, versus 32 percent who reported a negative reaction.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business — you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen," the president said in July.

Republicans have

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; 47percent; udidntbulidthat
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1 posted on 10/03/2012 10:45:10 AM PDT by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer

..only because of the media


2 posted on 10/03/2012 10:46:47 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Evil Slayer

If its a poll from NBC “News” you can basically wipe your butt cheeks with it


3 posted on 10/03/2012 10:46:55 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Evil Slayer
According to a survey released Tuesday night by NBC News...

That was as far as I needed to read to know this was nonsense...

4 posted on 10/03/2012 10:47:43 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Evil Slayer

New America may be getting what it deserves.


5 posted on 10/03/2012 10:47:48 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Evil Slayer
NBC News and The Wall Street Journal

Of course when you over sample Dems you get a favorable take for the Dem candidate. Reverse the polling sample and you get exactly the opposed result

Yet another garbage media poll

6 posted on 10/03/2012 10:49:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Evil Slayer

This should not surprise-—the number of folks who receive Federal assistance is vastly larger than the number of entrepreneurs.


7 posted on 10/03/2012 10:51:18 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Joy, another NBC News poll.


8 posted on 10/03/2012 10:52:22 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Sarah Barracuda

No, the black ink from the print marks up your butt and ends up staining your underwear. Trust me.


9 posted on 10/03/2012 10:52:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Evil Slayer

Not surprising, really.

47% of the people have no idea they could build anything. Being told they didn’t build it means nothing.


10 posted on 10/03/2012 10:53:20 AM PDT by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: Evil Slayer
If Republicans are themselves so guilty that they can't bring up all the food stamp, SSI, and just general fraud in the federal government they are going to lose.

People need a reason to vote for them. How about the fact that the federal government is robbing us blind and some of the money goes to terrorists.

Romney needs a righteously angry mod to win. Time to whip one up. Where's the Reagan welfare queen?

11 posted on 10/03/2012 10:54:18 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Evil Slayer
Ridiculous comparison over meaningless perceptions.

The fact the media believe this is newsworthy proves that they are so invested in Obama's re-election that they've completely lost their minds.

12 posted on 10/03/2012 10:54:52 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Doogle

..or because I have not seen one ad about it since it happened a couple of months ago!! Romney needs to get back on that horse, NOW!!!


13 posted on 10/03/2012 10:55:15 AM PDT by Fedupwithit ("Live Free or Die: Death is not the worst of evils" - Gen. John Stark)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

If it is from NBC/WSJ it came from your buttcheeks


14 posted on 10/03/2012 10:58:43 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Evil Slayer

The traction occurred because the “media,” an organ of the regime, relays the regime`s direction to believe and support liberal talking points. The American electorate has proven it`s a rather submissive and obedient bunch when you dangle freebies in front of its collective nose.


15 posted on 10/03/2012 10:59:12 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: Evil Slayer

When the SHTF, let’s hope the irate Takers will burn down the news outlets first.


16 posted on 10/03/2012 11:00:27 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Evil Slayer
Nobody...I mean NOBODY, outside the media say anything about Romneys 47% (except that they agree with it in the other things they talk about).

On the other hand, almost on a daily basis Obama is mocked by someone saying you/they didn't build that.

17 posted on 10/03/2012 11:01:49 AM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Another lying poll. What else can you expect?


18 posted on 10/03/2012 11:02:51 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I just wish that we could get the upper middle class and the wealthy, to vote like the people collecting social security.


19 posted on 10/03/2012 11:03:36 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: donna

Here’s something Mitt can talk about instead of acting like a scaredy cat:

In the last fiscal year alone, 1,705 people were disqualified from Mississippi’s Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program - SNAP - for making false claims and bilking the program out of more than $2.7 million, according to data obtained by the Daily Journal.
http://djournal.com/view/full_story/20319228/article-State-combats-food-stamp-fraud?instance=popular
In Louisiana, luxury cars seized in trafficking case
Cash from Texas trafficking used for video poker games
USDA says trafficking is 1 percent of food program
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/26/usa-foodstamps-idUSL1E8KQCIO20120926
Man pleads guilty to operating food stamp scam - Dayton
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/businessman-pleads-guilty-to-operating-food-stamp-/nSPbr/


20 posted on 10/03/2012 11:04:16 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Fedupwithit

it’s an NBC poll......


21 posted on 10/03/2012 11:04:24 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: donna

Why bother bringing it up? Kneeling for government crumbs is considered an act of nobility in New America.


22 posted on 10/03/2012 11:04:31 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: Evil Slayer

That is, on the face of it, an absurd statement.

“You didn’t build that” was one of the most emotionally charged things ever said by a politician.

47% could mean darned near anything.


23 posted on 10/03/2012 11:07:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Evil Slayer

This is a propaganda piece; why post it?
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24 posted on 10/03/2012 11:07:16 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ansel12

I hear ya. If the allegedly wealthy would just vote like the greedy SOBs the media paints them as, we’d have a few more percentage points of polling in the bag. Instead, the affinity so many wealthy feel is a reflection of some kind of liberal guilt. And, they being no more intelligent than the median, their heads are filled with MSM nonsense and they (like most others) don’t think past the bumper sticker level.

Reality fans have a tough row to hoe, that’s a fact.


25 posted on 10/03/2012 11:08:02 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Evil Slayer

One happened two weeks ago, and has been trumptered nonstop by the media and campaign. The other was three months ago, and has not really been mentioned since the convention. There is no doubt that ‘didn’t build that’ quote cemented the support of a lot of had working people, especially business owners and employees of smaller companies. It is indisputable.

The 47 video has had an effect for sure, definitely as a rallying cry to their base, but probably not of much effect on the middle voters who are largely in agreement about the recipient class. .


26 posted on 10/03/2012 11:10:18 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

It is an odd thing about people doing well at work and in business, and voting against our economic system, I remember being a young man in the very early 1970s and coming to realize that corporations were not conservative and pro-capitalist, it was a strange realization.


27 posted on 10/03/2012 11:14:13 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: MNJohnnie
Poll sample = D+6 (32%D-26%R-40%I); including 66% self-described Tea Party opponents (obviously because a plurality of their "Independents" are not very... independent).

Trash.

28 posted on 10/03/2012 11:15:02 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum: "I think, therefore I am armed".)
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To: Evil Slayer

I think the only people upset by the “47%” remark are the 47%. The only people I have heard remark about it are Obamists. They were going to vote O anyway.

The people irritated by the “you didn’t build that” remark are the people who do build that. They are the ones who can be persuaded to vote Romney. They do not see themselves as the 47%.


29 posted on 10/03/2012 11:16:36 AM PDT by marron
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To: ScottinVA

Or, better yet, I’m gonna get me some of that!


30 posted on 10/03/2012 11:16:39 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Obama is running a deceitful ad here in Florida re: the 47% comment. As Romney’s taped statement runs, they show black-and-white photos of elderly veterans, poor single mother and children, senior citizens. Of course, they should actually be showing the “Obama Phone Woman.” All his ads here have been aimed at the elderly and scare tactics.


31 posted on 10/03/2012 11:18:59 AM PDT by AUJenn
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To: Evil Slayer

Let’s not forget that 150,000 or so tax filers receive 91.7% of the gross annual personal income in the U.S. This is extraordinary and given that it is clear that neither the Senate nor the House is going to take any action to avoid the acute distress that is about to befall those currently living high on their cut of 8.3% are you surprised that Romney’s cowardly drivel is not being accepted.


32 posted on 10/03/2012 11:24:24 AM PDT by Hans
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To: ilgipper

Let’s pretend THE FOREIGNER is a great president and FAST & FURIOUS, ELIGIBILITY ISSUES, OBAMACARE, BENGAZHI, ERIC WITHHOLDER, LEAKS IN OUR BORDERS, GREEN STIMULUS FRAUD, BAD CALLS ON ECONOMY, never happened and talk about which MEANINGLESS PHRASE hurt WHICH CANDIDATE MORE. Any wonder why the american people have turned you leftist spin doctors in the MSM off and pay ZERO ATTENTION to what you FRAUDS have to say.


33 posted on 10/03/2012 11:24:33 AM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: ansel12

It took me far longer to come to that realization, also being a young man in the 70’s. I was quite liberal then. It must have something to do with hedging ones’ bets, or following the example of Buffett, who makes no bones and does not hesitate when it comes to buttering both sides of the bread.


34 posted on 10/03/2012 11:33:32 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Bull crap!


35 posted on 10/03/2012 11:52:31 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Me, too...
I grew up in a very conservative household but voted, in my young years, for the Peace and Freedom party and Carter which my mother never let me live down.
As soon as I made a pay check, I understood and never went back.


36 posted on 10/03/2012 11:57:59 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: matginzac
As soon as I made a pay check, I understood and never went back.

Amazing you would say that. That's what I tell people, too. In 1972, I worked for the local McGovern office (until he dropped Eagleton and showed he had no integrity). In 1973, I started earning a paycheck and have not voted for a Democrat since.

Ironically, if Romney cannot win it this year, I likely will never vote for a Republican again.

37 posted on 10/03/2012 12:09:45 PM PDT by attyatlaw001
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To: Doogle
. . .only because of the media

Exactly.

38 posted on 10/03/2012 12:27:55 PM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Hans

I sure would like to see some proof of this from a credble source.


39 posted on 10/03/2012 12:39:56 PM PDT by BizBroker (Democrats- Don't want 'em, Don't need 'em, Can't use 'em, Couldn't afford 'em if I did!)
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To: spawn44

I think you may have me pegged a little incorrectly. I’ve been here on FR for 13 years, and simply commenting on the situation. Because of the media and Obama spending, the 47% is front and center on this campaign, so they obviously think it is going to be effective. All I said was in survey (especially and NBC survey manufactured to help build the narrative), it is not surprising right now that a recent story getting major coverage gets a larger response among those surveyed.

The Obama gaffe was nearly three months ago, and the Romney campaign has used it effectively and helped build a strong following, even among some that might have been on the fence. It was a powerful look into Obama’s world view. As I wrote many times, the sentence previously was more damning, where his condensation toward productive small business people was just dripping. He was trying to whip up union and Dem-leaning working class voters into a frenzy that they are being jilted in an unfair world. It was classic Marxism. At the heart of it, that’s what he is.


40 posted on 10/03/2012 1:12:00 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Evil Slayer
Obama insulted hard-working Americans who have built their own businesses.

Romney insulted hard-working Americans who don't happen to make enough to pay federal income tax.

Romney insulted more good Americans than Obama did. Entrepreneurs work hard and are entitled to the fruit of their labor, but they are not the only hard workers in our land.

Elitist class warfare is just as ugly and unfair as the leftist variety and a whole lot less effective in winning elections. If Romney doesn't reverse the impression he gave in the 47 percent remark, he will surely lose.

41 posted on 10/03/2012 1:17:25 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: marron
I think the only people upset by the “47%” remark are the 47%.

Since there is no 47%, his statement made no sense.

42 posted on 10/03/2012 1:56:49 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Hans
Let’s not forget that 150,000 or so tax filers receive 91.7% of the gross annual personal income

Only problem is that claim is a complete and total lie.

43 posted on 10/03/2012 2:01:49 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Evil Slayer

BS


44 posted on 10/03/2012 2:02:58 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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To: BizBroker

You will not get it because the claim is a lie.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-individual-income-tax-data-0

As the data below show, incomes reported by tax returns at the high end of the income spectrum fell from 2008 to 2009, as did their share of the nation’s income and income taxes paid. In 2009, the top 1 percent of tax returns paid 36.7 percent of all federal individual income taxes and earned 16.9 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI),


45 posted on 10/03/2012 2:05:38 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Evil Slayer

More people have heard about 47% than can actually name the Vice President. (They’ve heard of Palin of course)

More people have heard about the 47% than the crimes of Fast & Furious, the cover-up of Benghazi, and every other crime of the Obama Administration.

Does anyone in the Leftist Media have any sense of shame at totally failing at their jobs? Anyone?


46 posted on 10/03/2012 2:06:52 PM PDT by UltraV ("..after I looked at your posting history, I think you need to post at DU." -Arrowhead1952 to UltraV)
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To: UltraV

This won’t end well.

And after all the smoke clears, the members of the media will be hunted down like Nazi war criminals.


47 posted on 10/03/2012 2:09:35 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ilgipper

ilgipper. My comment was directed at SINK who wrote the article.


48 posted on 10/03/2012 2:26:10 PM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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49 posted on 10/03/2012 2:29:45 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: attyatlaw001

I’m with ya...but unless the system changes and the only way we can do it is by working from within and not being sucked to the dark side, we are stuck supporting not the guy we love but the guy who isn’t the a**hole ruining the country.


50 posted on 10/03/2012 3:36:57 PM PDT by matginzac
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