Posted on 10/21/2012 5:30:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
We are two months away from fundamentally transforming the State of California, and barely anyone knows it. With a five to six point lead in the latest poll, Proposition 31 has a solid shot at passage. The measure is meant to bail out California’s failing cities by creating regional super-governments empowered to raid and redistribute suburban tax money. It’s the end of the system of local self-government that has served as the bedrock of American democracy since the time of the Founders — in the nation’s largest state, no less. Yet virtually no one is paying attention...
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
In the 50's Houston tried to annex the entire Harris County. The State of Texas told the City of Houston, "Aw, Hell Naw!"
If there is ANY doubt in one's mind about ANY ballot proposition... one must vote NO!
Even if government is broke, you can't fix it with confusing, deceptive measures with titling and wording controlled by Democrats currently in power!!!
Popular legislating will not always work as well as it did in Prop 13 in the 1970's. The legislative balance must be changed and then careful consideration by duly elected conservative representatives will process the information far better than these popular propositions that are creating "Government by Whim!"
This direct democrazy crappola was brought here from the old country (Switzerland) by European Socialist Liberals. Everyone forgets! We founded this nation to stand against the ways of the old country. This nation and this state were constituted as republics, using a democratic process to elect representatives who make laws. This is not a "Mobocracy!"
Real Americans and real Californians do not appreciate the tyranny of the majority and it's rape of rural areas by liberal courts and a Democrat dominated legislature elected by the metro-sexual mega-cities!!!
Sounds like it doesn’t it.
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Thanks. Heh, heh, heh...
You may be right, but I’m not sure how that would work. If you have very wealthy suburb, and a rather poor one side by side, how would their school funding be equitable?
Their property taxes would be vastly different.
If they’re in the same county, perhaps the county levels it out. I would suspect there are poor counties right next to wealthy one’s too? How do the school districts get equitable breakdown then?
If you’ve got an answer to this, I would appreciate you mentioning it so I can understand.
Mexico’s entire GDP is less than $1.7 trillion.
It would balance the budget for a little over a year.
They are Ansel12, so I didn’t object.
We have to remember two things in California. The rank and file Republicans, have their act together. The Republican leadership might just as well report in to the DNC.
It doesn’t surprise me that they support 31. Does it you?
They supported Schwarzenegger and Whitman too.
BTW: California’s Republican leadership is part of the reason I don’t trust the RNC any farther than I can toss them. If they let our state leadership get away with this stuff, what does that tell you?
If there is ANY doubt in one's mind about ANY ballot proposition... one must vote NO!
Even if government is broke, you can't fix it with confusing, deceptive measures with titling and wording controlled by Democrats currently in power!!!
Popular legislating will not always work as well as it did in Prop 13 in the 1970's. The legislative balance must be changed and then careful consideration by duly elected conservative representatives will process the information far better than these popular propositions that are creating "Government by Whim!"
This direct democrazy crappola was brought here from the old country (Switzerland) by European Socialist Liberals. Everyone forgets! We founded this nation to stand against the ways of the old country. This nation and this state were constituted as republics, using a democratic process to elect representatives who make laws. This is not a "Mobocracy!"
Real Americans and real Californians do not appreciate the tyranny of the majority and it's rape of rural areas by liberal courts and a Democrat dominated legislature elected by the metro-sexual mega-cities!!!
While Proposition 13 did offer the people desperately needed tax relief, what it also did was leave the perpetrators in power. Had the people not possessed the option to cut property tax rates, they would have had to get rid of the Democrats to obtain said relief. My bet is that California would have been better off and this would be a very different State today.
Yes, I know what the rates were; here in Santa Cruz they peaked at 8.5%, equivalent to $42,500 in property taxes PER YEAR for a $500,000 home today.
We’ll agree to disagree. In the 1950’s and 1960’s (part of the 70’s as well), most of California was conservative and could be counted on to deliver.
It probably is a lost cause now, but every once in awhile I wonder if the idiots here don’t cringe what they have done with the place.
I just don’t think that California had the deep, deep, genetic type conservatism, Evangelical type conservatism, Texas type conservatism.
It voted republican a lot, but once the true 1970s meltdown started nationwide, California didn’t have the conservative depth, or true conservative genes, the muscular, confident, conservative strength to hold up like a Texas for instance, and other Southern states, which not only pushed back, but rolled over the left.
Of course I agree with your point completely. The major thrust of my point is that horror of people in this country wanting to reach back and impliment practices from countries that couldn't allow freedom to their subjects.
Kind of reminds me of Isrealites in the wilderness yearning to go back to Egypt when Moses was out of town doing business with the almighty. As the bible puts it, they are like dogs returning to their own vomit!!!
Nearly all these measures are being crafted by the same type lobbyists that pester legislators for special interest gains. Voting no on all them would usually be adviseable, I think.
Tax stabilizing measures are the only good ones as starving a suffocating and squandering government is always a good idea!!!
Hey, sweetie! This has been happening in the Portland metro area since before I moved here. We’ve had the third layer of government for a very long time. However, they aren’t allowed to include the ‘burbs in the Portland city proper tax base yet. It’s been a fight, but we’ve prevailed.
More people live in the ‘burbs than the city.
At every election, we have to watch who the Metro candidates are, and their proclivities towards this kind of stuff.
On this measure, I wish you well, and a big ole WIN! I’ve been watching Stanley Kurtz’s reporting on this, as this kind of legislation is a heartbeat away from me.
As goes CA, so goes the country.
I saw your ping after I answered SW above.
Pinging you to my humble post, as well. I wish you well!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2948303/posts?page=75#75
I sincerely hope you nip it in the bud because, if you don’t, it will be creeping up here.
Good to “see” you!
This describes CA school funding and the methodology used.
http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/report/r_310mwr.pdf
Combine this with the statements heard on CSPAN (4 times) that no one needs to go more than 40 miles from home, and feifdoms - that sort of structure - becomes a distinct possibility.
What was that 40 mile comment about?
Since when is our ability to meet to associate with whom we want, limited to 40 miles?
The comment about not needing to go further than 40 miles from home was made in conjunction with discussion on the price of fuel and the distance a battery-powered vehicle could go. They were comments made after odumbo took office, but not recently, not in the last year or so. It was around the time of "cash for clunkers".
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