Skip to comments.The independent states of America: Tens of thousands demand to secede from U.S.
Posted on 11/12/2012 6:17:01 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
Bid for freedom: People from the states marked in red have lodged petitions asking to break away from the rest of the United States since Obama returned to the White House
Although America carried President Obama confidently into a second term last Tuesday - not everyone is jumping for joy at the prospect of four more years.
Tens of thousands have put their names to secession petitions in 20 states, asking that they peacefully become independent from the rest of the country.
The documents have been lodged on a government website We The People - and Texas has almost enough people behind its petition to warrant an official White House response.
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Immigrants are welcome here as long as they come through the front door LEGALLY and they come to support and defend America and our Constitution and our God-given rights, and not to suck on the taxpayer teat!
My sediments exactly!
Nah, let the red counties kick out the RAT counties.
People in TN want to secede ???
News to me...
This is how it happened during the “troubles’ AKA the Revolutionary War..
My family in PA were some of the last to know...
They didnt know there was a petition...
They lost their house and land...
and their country..
Well Im not leaving this time...
You leave if you want to...
But when you decide to come back...
I’ll leave the light on...
It’s a two-step process. First, we need to get the idea of peaceful secession on the national agenda. In short, we need to make it okay to talk about peaceful secession. As it is, one can’t really discuss the merits without all sorts of instinctive fear and shouts of recriminations unless we first convince people it’s okay to have a rational discussion about it. So, I say we who would like to have this discussion cut out all the emotion and really focus on “hey, we just want to talk about the possibility of peacefully breaking up.” I think that we should make it clear that we’re committed to zero violence and that if we can’t convince the other side after honest discussions we’ll stand down. What could possibly be more reasonable? If we can’t talk about stuff in a democracy then do we really have a democracy? I think not. Let’s trust each other enough to have an honest discussion about it with zero strings attached. Let’s just get secession on the agenda. After that we can talk about the particulars.
Interestingly though almost 4 out of 10 Californians voted
“Does anyone really think Washington is going to give up a huge chunk of its power, resources and tax revenue?”
Not to worry. In this age of instant news and instant video, not just on TV but with internet and even cellphone video, the feds would NEVEE risk a bloody crackdown on secessionist states. It would be plastered all over the 6:30 news and the Internet. Such videos would not only shock the world, they’d be great recruitment tools for fighters from all over the United States to join in the struggle against DC. In the end, the breakup would be more like Czechoslovakia than Yugoslavia. And don’t forget, Bashar al-Assad thought he was holding all the high-tech cards against half-assed insurgents. How’s that working out for him? Not too well, it seems. Pretty soon he’ll be hanging from a lampost, just like Il Duce.
How many tales have you carried back to your boss at work? Maybe you could try out for the Skip Homeier role if they ever remake Tomorrow the World.
But how many of those signatures are Texans wanting to leave and how many signatures are the rest of the USA wanting Texas to leave?
Either way is fine with me, personally. I’d bid them good riddance.
Here’s all the totals:
New Jersey 11327
New Mexico 1311
New York 12430
North Carolina 23835
North Dakota 9656
Rhode Island 2292
South Carolina 12656
South Carolina 18510
South Dakota 4088
West Virginia 4725
Excellent, thank you
Forty years of making us out to be haters of women, children, elderly, minorities, the poor, clean air, clean water, the environment, and so on has had an effect, dontcha know.
You are comparing the awesome might of the combined Armed Forces of the United States of America (excepting the USNG and various state militias) along with the force multiplier of every heavily armed agency from FEMA to the Department of Homeland Security and even the blasted EPA, to the Syrian (read MB/AQ) revolt against Bashar-al-Assad and his defense apparatus? I doubt our secession would progress far enough to get very bloody, especially when half the population would also turn against us.
And let me ask you this: Who will control the FCC and what people see on cable and the internet? There won’t be a news helicopter or drone anywhere, but those expressly commissioned to take live shots of the capitulation and the surrendering hordes. These crowds will be comprised of the sorriest representations of rednecked, bible thumpin’, gun nuts they can find and arrest (or hire from SAG) and get them on camera whilst rounding-up for the work camp shuttles; all this for the leftist American market and global crowd.
Obama has given himself directive powers to control everything, even our food supplies, in the event he perceives a threat to the union. There will not be any secessionists barreling down I-10 to come to the rescue of their thirsting brothers and sisters in nearby states, because Obie, with the exception of his own defense and supply convoys, will close down the highway system to all vehicles. No gas for non-emergency civilians. The friendly media will do props for him as they do now, and worse, they will filter reports of a secession through smokescreens featuring ever more sensationalistic stories, so that viewers —half of whom will cheer when Ma & Pa Kettle get frogmarched off to the hoosegow— won’t know or care what is really going on.
MSNBC reporter, “The smoke and flames you are seeing beyond this line of dunes is not what they appear to be. It is not a tanker explosion and Baby PooPoo, or Honey WeeWee, or whomever, was not in the cab. Late this afternoon, the DoD confirmed, it is the crash of an Unidentified Flying Object, and Justin Beeber was, I repeat, WAS, on board,” or some-such hoo-haw... another juicy sex story involving the Secretary of State, frankfurters, elevators, and the headlining midget act for Barnum and Bailey.
I wish it were not so. If there is a serious secession movement initiated by the respective governors, then we will prepare ourselves accordingly. What we have now with the WH initiative is not the real deal. When and if we have the real deal, we will be allowed to petition, but we will not be allowed to secede. Those of us who persist will, no doubt, spend our remaining years under marginal conditions and end them by being thrown down a refuse chute somewhere bleak and barren. But we will know we were tested and were not found wanting. We will all be able to look George Washington in the eye and hug Jesus, and we will win that way.
USNG and State Militias are a big deal, indeed. Much of the rest of your reply is defeatist paranoia. Don’t forget that:
A. Much of the US military is overseas.
B. Those elements that are here would side with the secessionists, since most of the enlistees and junior officers are—wait for it—from bright “red” states and are generally conservative. You’d see defections by the boatload.
C. The numbers of armed “alphabet agency” personnel is not all that large. And in the history of insurrections, security forces tend to be crushed by regular Army (see Romania 1989).
D. FCC doesn’t have jurisdiction over cable news or the Internet, only broadcast TV.
E. The rest of the post is typical “woe is us, the media hates us, waah.” Sad.
“The other side of this is that there are probably just as many leftists wanting to separate from the red states as there are red from the blue.”
That’s OK. If these raving libs have enough sense to realize that we’re plagued with irreconcilable differences, and that the present USA is a akin to a hopeless bad marriage, then, just on this occasion alone, I’ll consider them allies.
I do think the Nebraska plan is a better way to handle our election in a republic. The winner-take-all in each state is arguably anti-republic.
Abhorrent to a republic is a direct popular, national vote. That would be the end of the USA. But congressional districts each approving their own elector for the president makes perfect sense. At least some conservative Californians, New Yorkers, etc. would get the sense that their vote counted.
As well as those of us living in rural areas of the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois.