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LIPA customers who spent weeks without power due to Sandy get zapped with normal electric bills
NY Post ^ | 11/24/2012 | NY Post

Posted on 11/24/2012 11:20:04 AM PST by Dallas59

LIPA customers who spent weeks without power got zapped with their normal electric bills — as if the outages never happened.

The clueless utility charged Sandy-soaked Long Island residents an estimated rate that covered the entire billing cycle, and the statements made no mention of potential refunds to account for the prolonged blackouts.

Jonathan Saporta was slapped with a double whammy by the Long Island Power Authority — a $649 bill for the Long Beach home he left in October and a $281 bill for his new Great Neck pad.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bills; government; hurricane
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Send them to Obammy.
1 posted on 11/24/2012 11:20:14 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

I’d send it back, sans check, with a note that their union can pay that bill with all the overtime they got for turning out-of-state linemen away.

There have to be many better places to live than at the edge of the Atlantic Ocean. There is no guarantee that this can’t happen again next year.


2 posted on 11/24/2012 11:24:07 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Dallas59

it’s the computer, not my problem mon...


3 posted on 11/24/2012 11:24:52 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Dallas59

Based on last months usage. Duh, you pay for what you use


4 posted on 11/24/2012 11:25:30 AM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Dallas59

Of course they are estimated bills. They are too busy to send out meter readers.


5 posted on 11/24/2012 11:26:17 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Dallas59

Hey if they don’t like those high electric bills, maybe they can get a solar blanket to keep warm and a windmill to generate the electricity they need.

GO GREEN, GO OBAMA!


6 posted on 11/24/2012 11:26:29 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Dallas59
New Yorkers are a big disappointment to me.

All my life I've heard about New York minutes and New York haht attacks .. etc.

Did Giulini wipe out all the bad boys?

Are the first responders tough on fires but not willing to tar and feather politicians?

No shit, New York ... let us know you GOT a pair and the rest of us will be there beside you .. but we ain't gonn'a go to jail, die or get our asses kicked if YOU don't think it's that important.

7 posted on 11/24/2012 11:27:22 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: vpintheak

You’d think their billing system would have some kind of extended disaster proration algorithm in it. From their point of view it’s like, wait till the meters get unearthed, then we’ll send you a refund, that is if all the refunds don’t put us into bankruptcy


8 posted on 11/24/2012 11:27:24 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: knarf

There are 2 possible solutions to NYC violence

(1) let everybody pack
(2) have penalties as draconian as Singapore’s


9 posted on 11/24/2012 11:28:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Dallas59

I think this is proof that they do not read the meter, they just send you something similar to last month’s bill with seasonal adjustment.


10 posted on 11/24/2012 11:30:12 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

That’s normal if they can’t read the meters, however it’s hard to believe that nobody at LIPA or ConEd saw the train wreck. Their arse is grass when this goes to court.


11 posted on 11/24/2012 11:31:26 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Dallas59

I’m guessing these people are on what PG&E calls a “Balanced Payment Plan.” We pay the same amount monthly, regardless of actual usage. Every three months, PG&E does a true-up and we pay the overage or get a credit for the underage.

I’ve worked on utility billing systems. They are staggeringly complex and not easy to change. These companies aren’t exactly like Amazon when it comes to billing prowess and flexibility.


12 posted on 11/24/2012 11:33:21 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: knarf

Giuliani


13 posted on 11/24/2012 11:34:42 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: txrefugee

“I’d send it back, sans check, with a note that,,,”

A note that gives the reading on the meter. Or call/email in the correct meter reading. Ask for a “corrected” bill based on actual usage.


14 posted on 11/24/2012 11:36:01 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They are so smart that they are stuck in the past. They like it. Well, they are comfortable. No idea what goes on in the rest of the country, or the world, wxcept how it affects $.

They live with their pro abortion politicians and froce this on the very red part of the state- Upstate.

They vote in family legions - Cuomo, Kennedy even Cuomo-Kennedys.

They think Catholicism is a democratic system, so they say they’r Catholic while they criticize it like they are preparing their vote.

And there are quite a lot who live in enemy territory for the sake of being home - and it is a wonderful place in so many ways.

They are more antiquated than some Southern states in their being set in their ways about accepting politicas as usual.


15 posted on 11/24/2012 11:37:37 AM PST by stanne
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To: Dallas59

Long Island Power Authority is a government entity with a Board of Trustees appointed by various elected officials. The Authority is basically another government bureaucracy. The question is why anyone would expect more accountability or intelligence than any other government run entity.


16 posted on 11/24/2012 11:40:04 AM PST by RLM
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To: vpintheak

Duh, last month was when the storm hit. This bill is set to be DUE by the end of the month. They don’t bill for October at the END of November. But even if it was in the middle of the billing period, it shouldn’t be the SAME. Even one week would shave a 1/4 off.


17 posted on 11/24/2012 11:40:22 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Dallas59

I have no sympathy for these Obama voters who apparently turned out en masse and voted for Obama in a statistical impossiblity. No sympathy. Go ask Obama.


18 posted on 11/24/2012 11:41:10 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What power company actually comes out and READS meters anymore? Heck, I just moved from the middle of BFE, literally one red light in the whole COUNTY and we were updated enough for the usage to be read from the office of the electric company.


19 posted on 11/24/2012 11:42:13 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Draconian, ideed.

Rudy G. (as libertine personally as he is) set up such measures when he was mayor. When 9/11 happened he went out and acted quite in character. The New Yorkers expected it, as they should have.

RG cleaned up Times square (or allowed it by allowing capitalists to come in and do it) he had draconian measures against graffitti, panhandlers, window breakers,the mafia (which he’d cleaned up as local federal prosecutor) even jaywalking.

The City ran very well and people could eat and smoke what and wherever they wanted to.

They hated him. Hate.


20 posted on 11/24/2012 11:42:22 AM PST by stanne
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To: Dallas59

Just because it’s the first time they’ve ever experienced this doesn’t make it new or special.

Every power outage I’ve ever had that lasted more than a day resulted in higher electric bills. That climate control has to reheat a thoroughly cold house, or cool a very hot one. That makes the meter spin.

The squawking and complaining might be a cultural thing but it doesn’t come across very well to those of us who deal with this every year to some extent.

Deal with it, pick up the mess and get on with your lives.


21 posted on 11/24/2012 11:42:22 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: HiTech RedNeck

And as for pacing, see the “Bernard Goetz” case


22 posted on 11/24/2012 11:43:20 AM PST by stanne
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To: HiTech RedNeck

And as for packing, see the “Bernard Goetz” case


23 posted on 11/24/2012 11:43:30 AM PST by stanne
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What power company actually comes out and READS meters anymore? Heck, I just moved from the middle of BFE, literally one red light in the whole COUNTY and we were updated enough for the usage to be read from the office of the electric company.

AMENDMENT:

Although I have to admit that was only about 7 years ago. Before, when you got your power bill, you went outside and wrote down your new reading. Yes, electricity on the honor system, LOL. I said, rinky dink town. However, you did get ‘audited’ with a meter reader once a year and were billed the difference if you lied.


24 posted on 11/24/2012 11:43:52 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Truthfully, I don’t really care about their problems. They can ask Obama.


25 posted on 11/24/2012 11:44:24 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: autumnraine

mine does.


26 posted on 11/24/2012 11:44:39 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

If they are on the budget plan, it makes sense then. You are paying the same amount every month, regardless. With a credit, or bill at the end of the year. This works in your favor for high cost months, but also can bite you in case of a mega-frankenstorm.


27 posted on 11/24/2012 11:45:15 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: RegulatorCountry

we’re talking about properties with STILL-DEAD power, chum.


28 posted on 11/24/2012 11:45:37 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: stanne

A reasonable assurance of getting slapped on the wrist isn’t really draconian. I mean caning.


29 posted on 11/24/2012 11:47:32 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: RegulatorCountry

The New Yorkers deal with power outages more than anyone I’ve ever seen.

There are tens of millions (10,000,000+) people affected and how many complaints have you heard? The folks in Breezy Point? They lost their entire village to a fire (the whole village - the only thing left standing was a statue of the BVMary) and the only thing I’ve seen of them is from the inside of St. Thomas More Church listening to the words of their pastor.

Long Island Newsday came out in favor of Romney (first time in an extremely long time endorsing a GOPer).

We are mad at them for voting Dem, but let’s give them credit for self reliance.


30 posted on 11/24/2012 11:51:56 AM PST by stanne
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Equal payment plan means what it says. Any prorating of the bill as a result of protracted outage would occur with the next year calculation.

But, never mind that, squawk away.


31 posted on 11/24/2012 11:52:13 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: stanne

Well us “antiquated Southerners” need to start spending our disposable income only in the South.


32 posted on 11/24/2012 11:53:46 AM PST by Josa
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Sure, but either way, they hate law and order guys who make things livable.

they love stupid Bloomberg doddering about taking away sugar and salt and planning a marathon which starts IN Staten Island the same week that 19 Staten Islanders died (not counting the bodies of mob hits uncovered after the flood)

They wont’ put up with a law and order guy.


33 posted on 11/24/2012 11:55:36 AM PST by stanne
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To: Dallas59
Sure, the utility company sending high electric bills to folks who haven't had any electric power for weeks is outrageously stupid, just like the town/city/county putting threatening 'code violation' notices on homes that have been wrecked by the hurricane and are now unlivable. This is the downside of a huge bureaucracy, be it public or quasi-private, such as LIPA.

However, although we regret the physical losses and human suffering the victims of hurricane Sandy have endured, we feel that people who (a) choose to live next to an ocean and, (b) routinely elect and support leftist Democrat politicians decade after decade are not exactly objects of great sympathy from those of us who consider their choices as foolish and misguided. Still, sending out utility bills to Sandy's victims that have been without power for weeks on end was incredibly stupid.

34 posted on 11/24/2012 11:56:12 AM PST by Jim Scott (Obama must be defeated)
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To: stanne

Whoops, was referring to those I’ve known still hating Yankees like me for invading during the War of Northern agression.

Forgot there were those unaware of such.


35 posted on 11/24/2012 11:57:57 AM PST by stanne
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To: RegulatorCountry

When you talk about squawking, you are projecting.

That isn’t what applied here, as witness the man who tried to call in a discrepancy, which WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT ALL (not just be denied for being too great) on an “equal payment plan.” You not only project, you set up an exquisite straw man.


36 posted on 11/24/2012 12:04:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Never mind what the original article said (yes, it is still on line). “SQUAWK AWAY.”

I roflol at you.


37 posted on 11/24/2012 12:07:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: stanne

Please see #35.


38 posted on 11/24/2012 12:13:39 PM PST by stanne
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To: vpintheak

They’re probably on an even-pay system where the estimated use is the monthly average bill and they end up with a debit or credit at the closeout of the billing year. Their utilities, however will up their bills because they took in less money while power was out and they have to pay the overtime for all of those union local linemen whose unions turned away free help from out of state non-local-union linemen. The free help would have cut into the windfall profits (overtime) of the union linemen.


39 posted on 11/24/2012 12:20:51 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Dallas59

Estimated bill, meet estimated payment :)


40 posted on 11/24/2012 12:21:40 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Our president ... makes big speeches packed full of little ideas" Charles C. W. Cooke)
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To: knarf

GFY


41 posted on 11/24/2012 12:23:57 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They won’t issue “refunds”; they’ll just issue “credits” against future bills. ‘Course, you can appeal to the PUC, but that’ll get you nowhere, very slowly. Their billing system is pre-archaic.


42 posted on 11/24/2012 12:26:04 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: stanne

I didn’t hate him. I voted for him. Although - sorry - the jaywalking stuff was really dumb.


43 posted on 11/24/2012 12:26:12 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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44 posted on 11/24/2012 12:27:03 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: RJS1950

Read the original article please, not just the excerpt. One customer tried to submit an adjustment online and was not refused due to not being on an appropriate payment plan for that; he was refused due to the system blindly estimating that his adjustment was too large.


45 posted on 11/24/2012 12:31:56 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: miss marmelstein

Me too. I do usually remind people that there are about 40% of NYers who not only don’t vote Dem but who are conservative and living in a liberal culture, and deserve our regard.

The jaywalking stuff WAS dopey-I like to cross the street when and where I want to when I see an opportunity.

Forgot about that.


46 posted on 11/24/2012 12:32:13 PM PST by stanne
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To: SoothingDave

You’re correct. they were estimated bills. it says so on the bill. The numbers will be adjusted in january when the meters are actually read and the usage and lack of it for the two weeks will be be measured. This seems a big story and the Post and local TV and radio are making a big deal about it. Funny though. none of the media bother to inform the public that LIPA is a state agency. Wonder why?


47 posted on 11/24/2012 12:35:34 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: SoothingDave

You’re correct. they were estimated bills. it says so on the bill. The numbers will be adjusted in january when the meters are actually read and the usage and lack of it for the two weeks will be be measured. This seems a big story and the Post and local TV and radio are making a big deal about it. Funny though. none of the media bother to inform the public that LIPA is a state agency. Wonder why?


48 posted on 11/24/2012 12:35:40 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: xkaydet65

It was the way their system blindly reacted to the inability to read a lot of the meters. Instead of issuing NO bill, it issued a (very stupidly, in this case) “estimated bill.” These were NOT fixed-payment plans as two here have already asserted without reading the linked article.


49 posted on 11/24/2012 12:39:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: stanne

Oh, they always lump us in with the rest. Not much we can do about it!

I’ll never forget a poor cop stopping me from crossing the street to Saks Fifth Avenue. “Da mayor doesn’t want ya crossin’ in de middle of de street.”


50 posted on 11/24/2012 12:40:31 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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