Jon Kyl, Kay Bailey Hutchison Unveil Alternative To DREAM Act

ABC News - Univision ^ | November 27, 2012 | Jordon Fabian

[forgotten man]

Byron York wrote a column last week about the role of the Hispanic vote in the election. Romney still would have lost if he got over 60% of the Hispanic vote. Romney lost because he did not get enough white people to vote for him in the battleground states. The GOP should stop kissing brown ass and they should stop treating “old white men” with disrespect. There were a lot of old white guys who stayed home on November 6 and that cost Romney the election.

[freekitty]

Geez. No dream(nightmare for us)act. Send them packing.

[Las Vegas Ron]

I don’t know. We will need a real party with the ability to keep ballot access... (at least 5% in most states)

I don't know what is so hard about closing the borders, denying the public trough to non-citizens, aggressively going after companies that hire illegals, taxing heavily monies transferred out of this Country to Mexico...other then the fact they believe they can't get re elected advocating for those things.

Close the primaries, hold the primaries on the same day throughout the States, TERM LIMITS, no Congressional pensions or special health care.

Which tells me what the game really is, and it ain't about what is good for the Country.

/rant and dreams.

[Tzimisce]

Worried about the next election? Import more voters. :D

[tennmountainman]

The GOP can open the floodgates for illegals, but
all it will do is create a floodgate of Democratic voters.
In addition, conservatives will stay home, and start prepping
for the coming collapse, no matter what.

[Wuli]

here’s my problem with both of these senators

I believe they are dishonest

I believe they are dishonest in the following sense

1. they know they will not get a majority behind the bill in the U.S. Senate - as they have crafted it - without Dim inserted amendments that will weaken some of the bill’s restrictions, with the affect of converting the bill into a modified “dream act”, and

2. they also know they will vote in favor of that modified bill because they are incapable of standing up - against the Democrats and their media - for any of their own principles for which they have written some of the restrictions in their bill - they know they will cave instead of stand tall

it would have been more honest for them to simply switch parties and admit that’s what they want to do

last of all

any provisions about going to college have nothing to do with education = it’s another gift to the education industrial complex, trying to buy their support

but education has nothing, in terms of possible sacrifce for the nation that military service has, and should not be given as an equal status on this issue as military service

[pepsionice]

Here’s the deal. There are around ten states today where a Republican contender needs to win...against the likely Democratic states (you know them so I don’t need to repeat them). Well...the Latino populations are escalating. In Colorado...there are 404k potential Latino voters. If you could take two-thirds in a political run....you likely win the state of Colorado. There are 45k Latino potential voters in Alabama. Nevada counts twenty-six percent of it’s state vote as potential Latino voter.

So the bottom line is this....you can stay on the current line and accept a presidential loss in 2016, 2020, and 2024. You can complain about how things didn’t work right, or the media was corrupt, or whatever. But it’s strictly numbers in the end. Either you carry a majority via the Electoral College, or you just get use to the loser-status.

[Theodore R.]

KBH is leaving! KBH is leaving! No one will miss her, but she wants to leave a little bit of mischief behind just in case a few do remember her.

[RWGinger]

And you may be right

I don’t want to EVER give these people citizenship

but what do we do with them?
We can say all day how wrong it is that they are evern here and that we were stupid to give them so many bennies for so many years

yes we were stupud

but WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM NOW?

I’d like to think there is a way to send them all back
denying them any benefits except emergency medial care may be a start
but can you imagine the outcry?

[Mozilla]

“either way, its the end of the GOP”

I know and that is why people need to not think about who should get nominated in the next election that won’t get nominated anyways, but on creating a new party. I am done with the GOP and was the moment Mitt Romney won the primary.

[ExCTCitizen]

Jon Kyl (R-Texas)

When did John Kyl move to Texas?? Or did Arizona became part of Texas??

[rolling_stone]

what makes you think hispanic citizens are for this?

[SeminoleCounty]

Anything that is not 100% Deportation is Amnesty

The Liberal RINOs really think we are that stupid?

[Sgt_Schultze]

They would not be eligible for federal public welfare benefits or other government assistance, including federal student loans.

I don't suppose any of these folks would realize they could get around the forbidden welfare benefits problem by creating an actual American citizen child who would be eligible for all those bennies and more. And why don't these folks ever stipulate the amount of "fee" or "fine" they have in mind? Why not just state the fine will be $100,000 and see the reaction from the pro-lawbreaking crowd?

[Cincinatus' Wife]

When did John Kyl move to Texas?? Or did Arizona became part of Texas??

Everyone is packing up and moving to Texas.

:)

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Immigrants would not be granted a pathway to citizenship beyond what already exists for nonimmigrant visa holders (marriage of a U.S. citizen or obtaining a green card).

I don't know if Kyl and Hutchison are dumb or dishonest. Dems would certainly add a path-to-citizenship amendment. As you wrote:

1. they know they will not get a majority behind the bill in the U.S. Senate - as they have crafted it - without Dim inserted amendments that will weaken some of the bill’s restrictions, with the affect of converting the bill into a modified “dream act”, and

2. they also know they will vote in favor of that modified bill because they are incapable of standing up - against the Democrats and their media - for any of their own principles for which they have written some of the restrictions in their bill - they know they will cave instead of stand tall.

They can't quite admit in public that amnestied illegals would vote overwhelmingly for Dems, so they will pretend that they are going to pass an amnesty bill without a path-to-citizenship.

[stephenjohnbanker]

” The GOP may as well not even be there for all the heft they bring to Washington”

If we paid them extra to stay home, then they would be unable to cave in.

[stephenjohnbanker]

” they will pretend that they are going to pass an amnesty bill without a path-to-citizenship. “

That seems to be the game plan.....as if the Dems would not grant it anyway.

[Gilbo_3]

They can't quite admit in public that amnestied illegals would vote overwhelmingly for Dems, so they will pretend that they are going to pass an amnesty bill without a path-to-citizenship.

you miss the point...even if the new *citizens* vote 10:1 dim, *we* still get that one 'R' vote in the bank...and every 'R' vote indeed equals more ticket and popcorn sales for Mr McMahon...

the merchandising of the movie rights and action figures is simply a bit of extra gravy for the stars too...

[Gilbo_3]

Mr McMahon = uncle Sam...in case theres any confusion... 8^}