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Gunman had "altercation" with school staff day before masssacre
NBC News ^ | December 15, 2012 | Tracy Connor

Posted on 12/15/2012 10:03:16 AM PST by xsrdx

The gunman in the Newtown massacre had an "altercation" with four staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School the day before he killed 20 children, six adults and himself there, Connecticut and federal officials told NBC News Saturday.

Three of the four staff members were killed Friday in one of the worst school shootings in U.S. history. The fourth staff member was not at school that day and is being interviewed by federal and state investigators, NBC News’ Pete Williams said.

Two days before that, Adam Lanza, 20, went to a sporting goods store in Danbury, Conn., and tried to purchase a rifle, but was rebuffed because the state has a waiting period for gun sales, the officials said.

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Tried to buy a gun last week and could not - thus he shot his mom so he could take her guns - then stole her car, and forced his way into the school.

What was the nature of the "altercation" the day prior?

1 posted on 12/15/2012 10:03:23 AM PST by xsrdx
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To: xsrdx
Tried to buy a gun last week and could not - thus he shot his mom so he could take her guns - then stole her car, and forced his way into the school.

Yup, the "gun control laws" currently in effect WORKED but the wacko libs will never ever be satisfied until they have the 2nd Amendment repealed and the opposition political party destroyed. Count on both happening in the next four years - take it to the bank.
2 posted on 12/15/2012 10:07:01 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: xsrdx

I really look forward to knowing more about this. I’m wondering now if the personality disorder wasn’t Narcissism. Folks like that get absolutely outraged over any personal slight, from what I’ve seen. They have this “How dare you offend me, I will show you what happens when you offend ME...”


3 posted on 12/15/2012 10:09:57 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: xsrdx

I’m very curious to know the nature of this “altercation” as well. Fortunately, the fourth person is still around to tell the tale. Smells like a motive.

There’s nothing worse than a person who bears a grudge.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 10:09:57 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: xsrdx

And now we enter the phase known as “filling in the blanks” when we find out that it was some horrible “gun nut” that wanted to just take out a random school, but a known headcase that had contact with the school before, and committed a number of thefts and a murder in order to get to the point where he went on his spree.

Look at all the “laws” and people that failed to stop this. How would some more help?


5 posted on 12/15/2012 10:11:14 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik

that it was = that it wasn’t


6 posted on 12/15/2012 10:12:11 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: xsrdx

Look which network gets that scoop, as a reward for being good little stenographers for the admin...


7 posted on 12/15/2012 10:13:24 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: xsrdx

So they did not beef up security after the altercation ? Sounds like Benghazi.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 10:15:46 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: A_perfect_lady

> Narcissism. Folks like that get absolutely outraged over any personal slight, from what I’ve seen.
> They have this “How dare you offend me, I will show you what happens when you offend ME...”

The Obama Syndrome, in other words.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 10:17:01 AM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Mamzelle

Reading that article, I was thinking the exact same thing.


10 posted on 12/15/2012 10:19:07 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: xsrdx
So he had 4 handguns on him. The long gun was in the car.

Probably won't stop the Gestapo from outlawing scary black rifles.

11 posted on 12/15/2012 10:20:59 AM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: xsrdx
What was the nature of the "altercation" the day prior?

Does it matter?

Really?

12 posted on 12/15/2012 10:23:48 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Mamzelle

YEP, but then we can’t rely on them for the truth of what they said.


13 posted on 12/15/2012 10:24:32 AM PST by annieokie
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To: xsrdx
but was rebuffed because the state has a waiting period for gun sales,

The law worked as intended. But he found an alternate source,
his mother after he killed her.


America's law abiding gun owning citizens will be persecuted for his actions.

14 posted on 12/15/2012 10:29:31 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: Cheerio

BAN ASSUALT RIFLES!!!!!!!..............even though hand guns were used. The truth will never be told because it will hurt thier cause. Never let a generated or real crisis go to waste. Will we find out that he was on all kinds of prescribed drugs by his psych or is this information private? We already know the theater shooter in Arizona was seeing a psych so we can assume he to was on psych drugs? no? Instead of institutionalizing these sickos the god doctors, politicians liberals and school administrators play russian roulette with our children!


15 posted on 12/15/2012 10:31:04 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: A_perfect_lady
really look forward to knowing more about this. """"....

Me too, but you know the truth will not be told if it does not fit with the Regime program.

I suggest also, that this manchild was just mad at his mother. Perhaps she would not GIVE him something he "wanted".

Maybe she would not let him have the car, let him buy that next Demonic video game...told him to clean his room or take out the trash..go live with his Dad... or whatever.

He's 20 years old, still living at home and he doesn't want to be told what to do, in other words SPOILED.

16 posted on 12/15/2012 10:32:23 AM PST by annieokie
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To: P-Marlowe

Hind sight is 20/20 but the series of events is very important.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 10:32:39 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
The motive remained a mystery, and it was unclear why Lanza had argued with staffers at the school on Thursday.

It DOES stand out doesn't it? It appears clear that there WAS a prior incident, so maybe they can use that as a starting point for motive.

18 posted on 12/15/2012 10:34:50 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: xsrdx

I realllly want to hear the voice and see the FACE of the person claiming he TRIED to buy a gun but could NOT.

No evidence that it’s a lie, but such a story would have the effect of validating waiting periods, and with regard to guns this administration has a historically unprecedented level of lying.

I’ll bet this is a lie —I’ll bet he made no rejected attempt to buy.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 10:36:55 AM PST by gaijin
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To: annieokie
I suggest also, that this manchild was just mad at his mother.

Definite possibility, but killing anyone after her makes no sense. She wouldn't be around to suffer for what he did. Frankly, if she were alive, knowing he murdered 20 children to get even with her, that would be the most vicious form of retribution I can imagine for a mother. But she isn't. So... it's still just very weird.

20 posted on 12/15/2012 10:39:13 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: Enterprise
They apparently know the motive, just have not made it public yet.

Police find "good evidence" on motive for Connecticut school massacre

21 posted on 12/15/2012 10:39:13 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Jyotishi

We will see, but it appears that someone may have offended a narcissistic type. And it starts leading to other questions. Why was he at the school? Did the school officials tell him to stay away from the school because he had no business there? Is that what may have offended him? Might he have had an unusual interest in children? Did he reason that if he couldn’t have access to children then he would deny access to others to them also? Did he have a problem with female authority? He killed his mom and a female principal.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 10:41:39 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: justa-hairyape

Ping me if they come out with it in case I miss it.


23 posted on 12/15/2012 10:43:04 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: xsrdx; penelopesire; thouworm

“The gunman in the Newtown massacre had an “altercation” with four staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School the day before...”

Was Adam Lanza under private care of school psychologist, Mary Sherlach?


24 posted on 12/15/2012 10:46:18 AM PST by maggief
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To: xsrdx

Got scared last night because my wife came home from work and said that maybe we (Americans) should start looking at some gun control legislation.

This shooting spooked her in a brand new way.

This is a southern bell who is pro-gun, pro-hunting, and pro-self defense in all of its forms. She’d be cool if I brought home claymores.

We had a great discussion and I convinced her that we should not surrender our Constitutional Rights because 0.01% of the population are certifiably insane and that any gun legislation at this point in our political reality would be un-wise, short-sighted, and probably dangerous.

What this incident shows is not that guns are too easy to get — it shows the horrible state of our mental health system in America at the private and public levels. THAT’s the real story here.


25 posted on 12/15/2012 10:49:46 AM PST by Noamie
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To: xsrdx
The Libs puzzled and puzzled till their puzzlers were sore.

They hired school psychologists, and then added more!

But all their Vain Actions were those of Blind Fools.

THE Only reason for failure: removing prayer and God from their schools!

27 posted on 12/15/2012 10:50:44 AM PST by Gasshog
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To: maggief
Just saw this on Drudge and can't post as a thread (A. Jones)

Real Or Fake? “I’m Going to Kill Myself on Friday and it Will Make the News”

28 posted on 12/15/2012 10:52:08 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: ronnie raygun

It has become nearly impossible to get violent psycopaths off the streets and into institutional treatment. Lawsuits by the left over decades have let loose these people who see mass murder as a good solution to their delusional state.

This kind of thing will continue until the asylum doors are opened again.

Is all of this an unintended consequence of liberal compassion for the mentally ill? I think not. Destruction of the society is their goal and allowing the violent insane to wander the streets and kill at will is a good way to hasten the chaos.


29 posted on 12/15/2012 10:52:35 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: Noamie
This shooting spooked her in a brand new way.

Me too, frankly. This is the one they've been waiting for.

30 posted on 12/15/2012 10:53:56 AM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Noamie
This shooting spooked her in a brand new way.

She's not alone.

But I think we should be talking more about the illusory "benefit" - and real danger - of "gun free zones", and less about disarming the law abiding.

31 posted on 12/15/2012 10:55:59 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: A_perfect_lady
but killing anyone after her makes no sense.""""....

I agree, makes no sense, unless it was jealousy.

He was most likely an out of control lazy BRAT.

32 posted on 12/15/2012 10:56:39 AM PST by annieokie
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To: A_perfect_lady

“You love those children more than ME!”


33 posted on 12/15/2012 10:57:04 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: xsrdx

If he had any type of mental issues (which he obviously did), shouldn’t his mother have kept her guns locked or locked up and HIDDEN THE KEY? She failed miserably in not keeping her guns locked up, given her sons mental instability. EVERYONE should keep their firearms locked up and HIDE THE KEY (and ONLY the person the guns are registered to knows where the key(s) are just in case they’re stolen if not for any other reason!!


34 posted on 12/15/2012 11:02:06 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Noamie

Maybe if we lived in a more sane / civilized, stabilized, less fearful and moral society we wouldn’t be here. Maybe if people were allowed to follow the teachings of God, dicipline their children without the fear of CPS being called for the smallet indiscretion or drones or the NSA spying on them, were able to put nativity scenes on the courthouse lawns or display the 10 Commandments without liberal / atheist condemnation,, and teach right from wrong in the classrooms we wouldn’t be at this insane juncture in our history. Which the government all had a hand in some way or another.


35 posted on 12/15/2012 11:03:14 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: xsrdx

So. Have we had enough psychotropic-induced massacres yet?


36 posted on 12/15/2012 11:03:14 AM PST by GVnana
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To: Noamie

Maybe if we lived in a more sane / civilized, stabilized, less fearful and moral society we wouldn’t be here. Maybe if people were allowed to follow the teachings of God, dicipline their children without the fear of CPS being called for the smallet indiscretion or drones or the NSA spying on them, were able to put nativity scenes on the courthouse lawns or display the 10 Commandments without liberal / atheist condemnation,, and teach right from wrong in the classrooms we wouldn’t be at this insane juncture in our history. Which the government all had a hand in some way or another.


37 posted on 12/15/2012 11:03:25 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Noamie

Maybe if we lived in a more sane / civilized, stabilized, less fearful and moral society we wouldn’t be here. Maybe if people were allowed to follow the teachings of God, dicipline their children without the fear of CPS being called for the smallet indiscretion or drones or the NSA spying on them, were able to put nativity scenes on the courthouse lawns or display the 10 Commandments without liberal / atheist condemnation,, and teach right from wrong in the classrooms we wouldn’t be at this insane juncture in our history. Which the government all had a hand in some way or another.


38 posted on 12/15/2012 11:03:32 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: xsrdx

So. Have we had enough psychotropic-induced massacres yet?


39 posted on 12/15/2012 11:03:49 AM PST by GVnana
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To: thouworm; penelopesire

Whoa. The message, if real, was posted Wednesday night.

From the article above.

“The gunman in the Newtown massacre had an “altercation” with four staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School the day before”

I wonder if there was a recent crisis intervention of some sort.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/justice/connecticut-school-shooting-psychologist/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29

Sherlach, 56, was an expert in psychology, having earned her undergraduate degree in that subject at SUNY Cortland and a master’s degree at Southern Connecticut State University.

Before becoming a school psychologist, she worked as a rehabilitation assistant at a psychiatric facility, at a group home for disabled adults and as a community mental health placement specialist.

Her experience in education included stints in the Redding, North Haven and New Haven public school systems before landing at Sandy Hook Elementary in 1994. During her time in Newtown, Sherlach kept busy as a member of numerous groups such as the district conflict resolution committee, safe school climate committee, crisis intervention team and student instructional team.


40 posted on 12/15/2012 11:05:17 AM PST by maggief
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

If he got three of the four that he had confronted the day before, that would explain half of the staff fatalities. I imagine that he was looking for the fourth one as well and not finding her took out her class. Assumably the other adults were in the wrong place at the wrong time or trying to intervene.

If something beyond vengance against the four he had had the confrontation with had been a motive, it probably could have been much worse, as it sounds like it wouldn’t have been that difficult to take out more classes given the lock-down respons adopted.


41 posted on 12/15/2012 11:06:14 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: GladesGuru

In that part of the country it will occasion a groundswell of demands that more laws be passed to outlaw the shooting of schoolchildren as well as laws to outlaw gun possession by sane people who don’t shoot schoolchildren. In a more rational area they just might consider that schoolteachers should be allowed to be armed and that fact be made public.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 11:06:24 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Cheerio
Yup, the "gun control laws" currently in effect WORKED...

No they didn't work. The law stopped that purchase the perp still found a way. Someone hell bent to commit a crime WILL find a way. Yesterday in China, 20 schools kids were killed with a knife.

43 posted on 12/15/2012 11:15:12 AM PST by Professional Engineer (So long and thanks for all the fish.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Does it matter?

I'll see you that question (Yes, it matters. Dispute over a parking ticket? Angry about a mural? Upset the Principal may have an inappropriate relationship with his mother?) and raise you another question: Do you really believe it doesn't matter?

44 posted on 12/15/2012 11:15:20 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: xsrdx

Been there, spent time in jail for defending myself, would do the same again.

This POS should have been immobilized either right after his altercation or at his gun purchase attempt. This kind of trash is allowed to continue their BS until they kill someone.

The whole pansy a$$ system is broken. The psycho should have been dealt with before he was able to kill.


45 posted on 12/15/2012 11:15:20 AM PST by soycd
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To: jsanders2001

Agreed.


46 posted on 12/15/2012 11:19:32 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Noamie
Got scared last night because my wife came home from work and said that maybe we (Americans) should start looking at some gun control legislation.

This shooting spooked her in a brand new way.

I think there's going to be a lot of people who now feel the same way as your wife.

I've previously posted that I wasn't too worried about Obama taking up gun control, that it wasn't worth the political capital he'd have to expend. Twenty dead kindergartners changes things. I now firmly believe that we'll see myriad new gun control laws coming down the pipe in response to yesterday's tragedy and there won't be a damn thing the NRA can do to stop it. Obama now has the political capital he needs and, most importantly, he'll have full support from those minority and female voters who returned him to the White House.

Come Christmas morning when Americans turn on their TVs and see images of grieving parents, unopened presents and little kid-sized coffins being lowered in to the ground, every minivan-driving soccer mom in the land is going to be screaming for Obama to do something.

47 posted on 12/15/2012 11:21:44 AM PST by Drew68
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To: P-Marlowe
"What was the nature of the "altercation" the day prior?"

Does it matter?

Really?

Actually, it may matter. If it was the kind of beneign altercation that happens a thousand times a day across the country and is forgotten a few minutes later (i.e., a verbal dispute over a parking space, who's next at McWendy Kings, or abuse of the express lane at the grocery store, that never goes beyond a dirty look, mumbling under the breath, or an obscene gesture), then that's one thing; but if this guy became enraged, took the altercation to the next level and made specific threats of violence, and nothing was done about it, then there are a lot more questions to ask.

48 posted on 12/15/2012 11:24:31 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: thouworm

That’s damned interesting.

It’s 4Chan, so yeah, it could be a fake, but then again, it could be real. Only way to know is to get into the kids’ computer and see what he had on there, provided he didn’t wipe it first.

Graphic, but interesting. Where the hell did he find a photo of Harris and Klebold dead, I wonder? I should say, who posted that on the web? Pretty morbid.


49 posted on 12/15/2012 11:24:37 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: P-Marlowe
"What was the nature of the "altercation" the day prior?"

Does it matter?

Really?

Actually, it may matter. If it was the kind of beneign altercation that happens a thousand times a day across the country and is forgotten a few minutes later (i.e., a verbal dispute over a parking space, who's next at McWendy Kings, or abuse of the express lane at the grocery store, that never goes beyond a dirty look, mumbling under the breath, or an obscene gesture), then that's one thing; but if this guy became enraged, took the altercation to the next level and made specific threats of violence, and nothing was done about it, then there are a lot more questions to ask.

50 posted on 12/15/2012 11:24:45 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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