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Shoot down the NRA - Outrage over the Newtown massacre has gun nuts playing defense (megahurl!)
NY Daily News ^ | December 19, 2012 | Meathead Editorial

Posted on 12/20/2012 10:04:57 AM PST by neverdem

JIM LO SCALZO/EPA

Gun control supporters march to the National Rifle Association office in Washington on Monday.

Global outrage over the Newtown massacre, including at the role played by a gun that no civilian should possess, has forced the National Rifle Association to speak publicly, instead of privately in the halls of Congress.

America’s mighty proponent of deadly weaponry here, there and everywhere, including in bars and kindergartens, announced that on Friday, “The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.”

Don’t get your hopes up.

The only “meaningful contributions” the NRA has ever made to public safety have been malignant ones — most notably, the millions of dollars by which the organization buys influence in the House, Senate and state capitals.

In the most recent election cycle, the NRA’s disbursements to candidates totaled more than $18.6 million, and its lobbying expenses in Washington ran to more than $2 million. The group got its money’s worth and wants to keep it, you can rest assured.

Barring the possibility that pigs start flying, look for the NRA to engage in evasions about everything other than guns that may have come into play in murdering 20 children at Sandy Hook Elementary School — everything from mental health to violent video games.

On Friday, in the immediate aftermath of the killings, the host of an NRA video news program preposterously attributed the deaths to a shortage of love, saying:

“I don’t think the issue is an issue; I don’t think the issue is parenting, or Hollywood, or guns, or rap music, or young men. . . . It is the foundational stuff . . . whether it’s a lack of love, a lack of empathy for others, an apathy.”

Lunacy like that has left the NRA in increasing isolation.

To escape disgrace, Cerberus Capital Management, a private equity firm whose officers include former Vice President Dan Quayle, is selling its interest in the company that makes the Bushmaster AR-15, Adam Lanza’s weapon of choice.

Dick’s Sporting Goods pulled semiautomatic rifles from its shelves in 511 stores nationwide. Walmart removed the AR-15 from its website. And the movie industry has canceled the premieres of violent films for fear of revolting audiences.

With President Obama signaling that he will back a renewal of an assault weapons ban, a bar on high-capacity ammunition magazine, the institution of more rigorous background checks for gun purchasers and closure of the so-called gun show loophole, the NRA is fighting a rearguard action for the first time in memory.

Now is the time to think even bigger, to get all that and more, in an epic battle to stop mass murders in the U.S.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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1 posted on 12/20/2012 10:05:02 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Louis L’Amour summed up the real issue:

“Understand one thing……You can make laws against weapons but they will be observed only by those who don’t intend to use them anyway. The lawless can always smuggle or steal, or even make a gun. By refusing to wear a gun you allow the criminal to operate with impunity.”


2 posted on 12/20/2012 10:16:14 AM PST by fredhead (It's my Herbie year...check out the number on the side of the famous VW.)
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To: neverdem

It is 1968 all over again. I remember the signs then, NATIONAL RIFLE ASSASINATIONS! that the picketers were carrying then.


3 posted on 12/20/2012 10:18:21 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: neverdem
A friend was just at a gun store in Milford CT last evening: the place was packed and business was brisk.

Meanwhile in Newtown, law-abiding gun owners concerned for the safety of their children are preparing for local meetings on school security where they will ask that permitted teachers and parents be allowed to "carry" on campus.

4 posted on 12/20/2012 10:18:28 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: neverdem

“Now is the time to think even bigger, to get all that and more, in an epic battle to stop mass murders in the U.S.”

Their intent is clear, they are committed to taking away our un-alienable an moral right to keep and bear arms...

“How dedicated are YOU in keeping the right???”


5 posted on 12/20/2012 10:22:02 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: neverdem

I did some digging last night and found a few things. The FBI estimates that about 100 million US households have legal firearms and they also tracked about 350 deaths where a “rifle” was used. Semi-automatic rifles are some subset of that 350 number, but it is not explicitly tracked separately from bolt actions, pump actions or single shot rifles. So, the rate of “preventable deaths from semi-automatic rifles that are not needed” is no more than 0.00035%.

Then I went to the CDC stats and found that they estimate that about 8-10 million US households have swimming pools and they tracked about 3,500 drowning deaths, but they do not track specifically the subset of drownings that occurred in bath tubs, lakes, streams or swimming pools. So, the rate of “preventable deaths from swimming pools that are not needed” is no more than 0.035%.

Our government’s own numbers are showing us that swimming pools are 1,000 times more dangerous than semi-automatic rifles!

If we are willing to accept the premise that the federal government should infringe on our liberty to address unnecessary deaths, then we would see much more value in banning swimming pools! In addition, we would cause harm to much fewer individuals and we don’t even have to deal with a Constitutional issue.

Heck, we all know that swimming pools are a luxury that no family needs! We should only allow people to swim in government owned pools.

Or we could simply live with the consequences of individual liberty and understand that we can address evil doers whenever possible, but we will never be able to stop all evil.


6 posted on 12/20/2012 10:22:02 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: neverdem

NRA Membership & gun purchases are surging for fear of losing gun rights.


7 posted on 12/20/2012 10:32:08 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: neverdem
The only “meaningful contributions” the NRA has ever made to public safety have been malignant ones — most notably, the millions of dollars by which the organization buys influence in the House, Senate and state capitals.

As contrasted by donations made by the NEA and SEIU, both of whom own the Democrat party outright.

The Second Amendment is NOT about the right for individuals to own and bear weapons, it is about the balance of power between an oppressive federal government and the individual freedom of the people. THAT'S why the leftists hate the Second Amendment so much - they are about power and control and the Second Amendment is the ONLY thing that stands between the freedom of the people and America becoming North Korea or Cuba!

8 posted on 12/20/2012 10:33:52 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: neverdem
I love the way they refer to the”NRA” as some two headed monster that must be stopped. The “NRA” is 150 million responsible, law abiding gun owners. It's me and a lot of people I know. Take your hysterical gibberish and cram it.
9 posted on 12/20/2012 10:44:57 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: neverdem

Joe Manchin lost his desire for gun control pretty fast when his constituents voiced their opinion....I suspect that to be the case for a lot of dems. remember...nothing matters more to a pol than election....nothing!!! A lot of them found themselves unemployed the last time they voted their consciences!!!


10 posted on 12/20/2012 10:49:58 AM PST by ontap
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To: neverdem

I look at the picture and see a lot of people that should be at work and apparently have nothing better to do except protest this or that.


11 posted on 12/20/2012 10:50:32 AM PST by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: CSM

What do they even mean by semi-autos that aren’t needed? Who says we don’t need them? Need them for what? Hunting? But we don’t have a right ti hunt. We have a right to self-defense, and also defense of the free republic.


12 posted on 12/20/2012 10:54:26 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: neverdem

Wow, what did they have? 60 people?
and all with preprinted signs...


13 posted on 12/20/2012 10:55:39 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: neverdem
Did Adam Lanza even use the AR-15 during the shooting or was it "still in the trunk" as early reports claimed. I doubt he shot up the classroom then dashed outside to hide the evil rifle, ran back inside and shot himself, all before police arrived. Seems rather unlikely to me.

Regards,
GtG

14 posted on 12/20/2012 11:12:07 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: tet68

It wasn’t an AR-15. But if you continue a lie long enough.....


15 posted on 12/20/2012 11:14:08 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Tublecane

I actually posted that on FB to combat a friend’s wife who is void of logic. However, they have a pool that they love!


16 posted on 12/20/2012 11:24:18 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: neverdem

Couple of notes to the writer of the article:

1. The NRA is actively involved training throughout the US. It would be adavantageous for you to actually do some research on an organization you write about. It’s on the Internet too. EZ as pie.
2. Your article was so snarky that it caused me to go to www.NRA.org and join up again. See how that works?


17 posted on 12/20/2012 11:37:27 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Did Adam Lanza even use the AR-15 during the shooting or was it "still in the trunk" as early reports claimed.

Plenty of the initial reports were fiction. Dr. H. Wayne Carver was the medical examiner, IIRC. He's waiting for the results from toxicology. I just googled lanza toxicology in the news. Lanza used the Bushmaster.

18 posted on 12/20/2012 11:40:05 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Point #1, who writes this tripe?
including at the role

Point #2, who is this moron to say exactly WHAT a civilian should possess?
including at the role played by a gun that no civilian should possess

As a civlian, I demand the right to own such weaponry. It puts me on par with the average GOV agent or member of the military.

19 posted on 12/20/2012 11:40:50 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: ontap

The NRA has ended more Democrat politician careers than expense account scandals and underage bimbos combined. And I expect that to continue.


20 posted on 12/20/2012 11:40:56 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: buffaloguy

Good! Wait for a discount and become a life member.

Masthead and meathead editorials are collaborations from the members of their editorial boards. They don’t have bylines.


21 posted on 12/20/2012 11:46:54 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: NY Attitude
I look at the picture and see a lot of people that should be at work and apparently have nothing better to do except protest this or that.

I wouldn't disagree that these people need to be doing something more constructive than holding signs and posing for pictures...but I wouldn't characterize this group as a "lot of people." Check the perspective of the camera. This is really about 30 people and one photographer who framed the photo to make it appear that there was some vast, angry horde of thousands of protestors, when in reality there were a few dozen at most.
22 posted on 12/20/2012 11:52:37 AM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: rjsimmon
Point #1, who writes this tripe?

Read the second line in comment# 21.

23 posted on 12/20/2012 11:52:48 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
phony outrage from astroturf organizations using pre-printed signs.

Even after the Beslan school massacre of children by Islamists, Democrats parroted John “I Was A Teenaged War Criminal Akin To Ginjuice Conn” Kerry's line that we would have to learn to accept a certain nuisance level of terrorism.

24 posted on 12/20/2012 12:02:41 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: neverdem

I don’t belong to the NRA, but I fully support the right of law-abiding citizens to own them. I don’t intend to ever fire my gun in anger, but I would if I had to. I firmly believe that every human being has the right to self-defense. That’s why I own a gun.

If we have to hide our guns, let’s hide them. The Constitution is on our side here.


25 posted on 12/20/2012 12:03:39 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: neverdem

Members of the NRA are not out committing crimes. The organization promotes safety and responsibility. The anti-gun crowd thinks they’re doing something meaningful, but they are not.


26 posted on 12/20/2012 12:06:43 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

Members of the NRA are not out committing crimes.””

Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood assists women in having over 900,000 abortions in the past 3 years.


27 posted on 12/20/2012 12:18:26 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: neverdem

Les than 200 people showed up to protest!!!

A very tough 100 mile long distance horse event over the California Sierra gets more entrants that this crowd!!!

Notice that the author give himself an attached EPA designation.

Who has done more to destroy the American way of life than the EPA???


28 posted on 12/20/2012 12:20:44 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: neverdem
The Left, as is often the case, psychologically projects its own deficiencies on others. The lunacy is not that of those who defend traditional values, born in the common sense experiences of countless generations. The lunacy is seeking to repeal the heritage, born in the struggles of those countless generations, rather than actually analyze reality.

If one would eliminate tools to end all danger from misuse of those tools; one would have to start with something other than firearms. Motor vehicles, would be a prime example. (Not that it would make sense, but they kill more people--morally, at least, innocent people--than firearms.)

In America, unlike Moscow in November, 1917, or Germany in 1933, we do not change our heritage to humor a mob of banner or sign carriers in the street.

For the basic--relevant argument--on the questions involving an armed citizenry of free men, see Right To Keep & Bear Arms.

William Flax

29 posted on 12/20/2012 12:29:18 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: ridesthemiles
Notice that the author give himself an attached EPA designation.

JIM LO SCALZO/EPA is who gets credit for the photo. EPA could mean the European Photographers Association. I don't know. I do know that this is called a masthead editorial. When it's tripe like this I call them a meathead editorial. It's done by usually 2 or 3 members of their editorial board.

30 posted on 12/20/2012 12:41:18 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Ohioan

Thanks for the link. Comments on target. Fire for effect.


31 posted on 12/20/2012 12:44:27 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Thanks! And keep firing!


32 posted on 12/20/2012 12:58:42 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: neverdem

The gun grabber goons in congress know that the NRA is going to fold; they’re not worried.

Then we get to go through another 10 years of them begging for money to fight the bill in court that they wouldn’t fight in congress.


33 posted on 12/20/2012 1:10:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The NRA wrote the 1968 law!


34 posted on 12/20/2012 1:13:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NY Attitude

>> “I look at the picture and see a lot of people that should be at work” <<

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You can bet that 90% of those people in the picture are on the taxpayer dime, using sickleave to protest. Mostly screwel teechurs.


35 posted on 12/20/2012 1:18:47 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ridesthemiles

>> “Les than 200 people showed up to protest!!!” <<

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That’ll go down as “Thousands” when reported tomorrow.


36 posted on 12/20/2012 1:22:32 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ridesthemiles

The abortuary rate has been over a million per year for decades.

This is all crocodile tears for the slaughtered kids. They could have armed the teachers and prevented it.


37 posted on 12/20/2012 1:25:00 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

***The NRA wrote the 1968 law!***

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29197

“Today we begin to disarm the criminal and the careless and the insane. All of our people who are deeply concerned in this country about law and order should hail this day.”

“... If guns are to be kept out of the hands of the criminal, out of the hands of the insane, and out of the hands of the irresponsible, then we just must have licensing.

If the criminal with a gun is to be tracked down quickly, then we must have registration in this country.”

“The voices that blocked these safeguards were not the voices of an aroused nation. They were the voices of a powerful lobby, a gun lobby, that has prevailed for the moment in an election year. “ —Lyndon Johnson


38 posted on 12/20/2012 1:34:00 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: editor-surveyor
The gun grabber goons in congress know that the NRA is going to fold; they’re not worried.

And you're evidence is what?

39 posted on 12/20/2012 3:44:07 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: editor-surveyor
The NRA wrote the 1968 law!

It was a totally different organization and leadership.

The Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the lobbying arm of the NRA. Established in 1975, ILA is committed to preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals to purchase, possess and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Are they perfect? No, but nothing in this world is perfect. Why do want to denigrate them? Why do you think the rats didn't try to renew the so called "assault weapon" ban in the last Congress before November 2010?

40 posted on 12/20/2012 3:58:27 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: TexasCajun

Would people be buying up guns and ammo in record numbers like this if they trusted their government?


41 posted on 12/20/2012 5:38:49 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: neverdem

That bullsh*t could have been written by any number of NRA haters who post here on FR pretending to be 2nd Amendment supporters.


42 posted on 12/20/2012 6:16:25 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: editor-surveyor
The NRA wrote the 1968 law!

In case you haven't noticed, this is 2012. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat at one time. Have you ever heard of Harlan Carter and Cincinnati?

43 posted on 12/20/2012 6:29:28 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: editor-surveyor
The NRA wrote the 1968 law!

You're not as smart as I'd hoped you'd be. How about a large serving of crow, http://www.enotes.com/gun-control-act-1968-reference/gun-control-act-1968?

Enjoy!

44 posted on 12/20/2012 6:48:07 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Do you not realize that the NRA lawyers wrote EVERY federal violation of our gun rights?

The last one they wrote was signed into law by W.


45 posted on 12/22/2012 5:35:19 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: neverdem

So speaking the truth is denegration?

Then they denegrate themselves.

It was definitely not a different org. They wrote the key provisions of the bill that has disarmed almost all of our returning Afgan veterans, that was signed into law by W.

Same ol’ same ol’.


46 posted on 12/22/2012 5:46:47 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Alaska Wolf

You must be a kid. I lived through it, and fought the NRA that I belonged to over that law.

Save your childish propaganda for your own kind (the willingly deceived).


47 posted on 12/22/2012 5:49:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: neverdem

CREDO on the signs...

CREDO (formerly Working Assets Wireless) is an American for-profit mobile virtual network operator headquartered in San Francisco, California.

CREDO’s mobile network operator is Sprint Nextel.
CREDO Mobile is a division of Working Assets.

In 2009, CREDO Mobile was recognized by the nonprofit Planning and Conservation League as the Environmental Business of the Year

In November 2007, Working Assets Wireless announced that it was changing its name to CREDO Mobile to better reflect the company’s values: A belief that people, through donations to nonprofits and political activism, can effect progressive change.[2] The names of its phone services were changed to CREDO Mobile and CREDO Long Distance.

The name of its credit card, however, remains the Working Assets Credit Card.

Role in the United States presidential election of 2008

To increase voter turnout in the United States presidential election, 2008, CREDO Action started an initiative called Pollworkers for Democracy, in which hired volunteers to staff polling places and ensure fair voting practices. For their Text Out the Vote campaign, CREDO invited users to enter a friends’ phone numbers to text them each a reminder to vote on election day.

Several U.S. states approved CREDO’s online voter-registration tool. At CREDO’s GoVote.org website, voters could look-up their nearest polling place.


48 posted on 12/22/2012 6:01:43 PM PST by kcvl
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http://www.credoaction.com/

Becky Bond is the president of the CREDO SuperPAC and the political director of CREDO Mobile. Becky has been at the forefront of the online to offline organizing movement since she joined CREDO in 2000, combining innovative technology, rapid response, measurable results, volunteer engagement and a passionate commitment to winning progressive victories.

Organizing with CREDO, Becky has grown a community of 3 million activists who take action on issues ranging from defending choice to protecting net neutrality to fighting climate change and ending unjust wars. She also led the 2004 campaign to register one million anti-war citizens as well as the “Hell NO on 23” campaign, CREDO’s victorious 2010 effort to crush Texas oil and save California’s global warming law. Becky serves on the board of the New Organizing Institute.

Matthew ‘Mudcat’ Arnold,
Campaign Manager, CREDO SuperPAC
Matthew “Mudcat” Arnold is the campaign manager for the CREDO SuperPAC. Mudcat is a veteran of over a dozen campaigns for state and federal office, and is a national field trainer for Democracy for America. He’s run campaigns for progressive champions like Lloyd Doggett and was the field director for Mary Jo Kilroy and Darcy Burner. Mudcat has designed sophisticated voter outreach operations for MoveOn.org and the Sierra Club, and in 2009, he helped launch the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. He’s originally from Booneville, Mississippi.

Michael Kieschnick,
Senior Advisor, CREDO SuperPac
Michael Kieschnick is a senior advisor to CREDO SuperPac, and is the President, CEO and co-founder of CREDO Mobile. Responding to widespread manipulation of elections, Michael co-founded in 2006 the Secretary of State Project, which worked to elect nine reform-minded progressives to the chief election officer positions in critical states. Separate from his work at CREDO and the Secretary of State Project, Michael serves on the board of the League of Conservation Voters. He is originally from Dallas, Texas.

http://act.credoaction.com/take_down/about.html


49 posted on 12/22/2012 6:06:53 PM PST by kcvl
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To: editor-surveyor
You must be a kid.

You must be ignorant or a senile nonagenarian. I've been an NRA life member for over 4 decades. Save your mindless accusations and bullsh*t for gullible libtards.

50 posted on 12/22/2012 6:07:46 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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