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A 'what if' gun-seizure scenario
WND ^ | December 20, 2012 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 12/21/2012 7:18:13 AM PST by Perseverando

Exclusive: Joseph Farah warns, 'Something very bad for America is coming'

(Editor’s note: The following commentary by Joseph Farah is a hypothetical scenario, but one all-too-believable given the anti-gun hysteria in the media and here in the nation’s capital. It is offered in the spirit of what former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel once said: “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”)

WASHINGTON – President Obama today issued a sweeping executive order banning the manufacture, sale and possession of all semi-automatic firearms in the U.S.

Obama cited for his authority for the action a national state of emergency that has been in effect ever since Sept. 11, 2001, and renewed annually by both President George W. Bush and Obama ever since. He also cited portions of the Patriot Act that suspend certain civil rights that remain classified.

The dramatic action by the president follows closely on the heels of the Newtown, Conn., massacre of 27 schoolchildren and teachers by Adam Lanza a week ago.

Gun-control advocates have been pushing for tighter gun control ever since the attack on the Sandy Hook Elementary School, the fourth mass shooting in the U.S. in 2012.

Yet the action was surprising because Obama vowed to present a detailed plan of action in January after naming Vice President Joe Biden to head a blue-ribbon panel including Cabinet members, law enforcement officials and various agencies of the government. Biden convened the first meeting of the panel only yesterday.

That’s how quickly it could happen.

That’s how liberty could be lost in America in one day.

For many, today was the day the world was supposed to end, according to the Mayan calendar and other ancient documents.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; 3gunmen; banglist; confiscation; fastandfurios; guncontrol; msmpropaganda; newtown; patriotact; sandyhook; sandyhooklies; secondamendment; soros; wnd
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To: G Larry
Private sales, family gifts, theft, and loss, are NOT reportable transactions.

I think that is where they will actually start.

41 posted on 12/21/2012 8:03:52 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: Nervous Tick
This won’t happen, but if it DID happen, it would be interesting to see how the Feds would enforce it in (say) Texas. Or Oklahoma. Or North Dakota. Or Wyoming.

I'm sure it would be implemented as a period of time that citizens had to turn in their weapons, after which very high penalties would be imposed for possession.

They wouldn't assume 100% compliance, they would just be happy with the 75% compliance they did get and the knowledge that the other weapons would be collected (and owners punished) over time.

It would all be very low key.

42 posted on 12/21/2012 8:07:01 AM PST by The Duke
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

A liberals mind set, a box of shells = something to eat, a magazine = something to read, revolver= a beatles album, yeah “MAN” get out the MarYjaNe aNd tuRn uP tHe voLUme, grOovY man where’s mY FloWers, poWer to tHe pEoPle, liKe my tyE dYe sHirt? This is your brain, this is your brain on drugs.


43 posted on 12/21/2012 8:07:36 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Being Breitbart)
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To: Perseverando
President Obama today issued a sweeping executive order banning the manufacture, sale and possession of all semi-automatic firearms in the U.S.

At that point, even a small group of Congressmen can have a great effect by going on TV and declaring such an action absolutely invalid, and that law enforcement and military, and especially citizens, should ignore this so-called "order."

Would it cause a Constitutional crisis? For sure.

A civil war? See how far Obama wants to take it.

44 posted on 12/21/2012 8:08:22 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Nervous Tick

How do I envision people getting hungry?

Selective use of the electrical grid. Crops are watered by electric pumps. Food is processed using electricity.


45 posted on 12/21/2012 8:09:15 AM PST by lurk
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To: Perseverando

How about a serious conversation?

There are far too many guns to confiscate. Perhaps 20% to 30% of the population might turn them in but that’s about it. As some have pointed out there are far too many that are untraceable. Most cops I know wouldn’t follow through on such an order. Active confiscation would result in a hot mini-civil war. I say mini because I believe most Americans don’t have the backbone to defend their Constitution or rights and would just roll over.

So how could the government try to eliminate, reduce and or control gun ownership?

1. Ban certain types of ammunition Ex: .223 & 7.62

2. Ban all future sale and transfers of all “assault weapons” and their related parts

3. Review all recent background checks over the previous years and withhold income tax returns until those individuals turn in or register their AR’s & AK’s

4. Enforce EU style registration for all firearms

5. Prohibit gun ownership for a laundry list of reasons including misdemeanors

These are very plausible methods FRiends and don’t think Boehner or the SCOTUS will save you because they’ve proven they won’t.


46 posted on 12/21/2012 8:10:16 AM PST by TSgt (...voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.)
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To: usurper
Thanks to the the Supreme Court ruling under Obamacare, the federal government now has unlimited authority so long as they call it a tax.

So if you want a high capacity magazine you will be able to buy one only there will be a $100 dollar federal tax on it. They could also require a federal license to own firearms. You can bet it will cost thousands of dollars and will have to be renewed every year.

The dems will say that the “fees” collected will go to improving federal mental health programs. Its for the children you know.

Theres the plan. Its not a messy physical gun grab. Its about growing government and taxing taxing taxing taxing us to death.

47 posted on 12/21/2012 8:11:30 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Did you think about that, before typing?

If they wrote that stupidity today, how would it be enforced?

How many items in my collection were obtained in an untraceable manner?


48 posted on 12/21/2012 8:11:36 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Nervous Tick; lurk

With the almost cashless world we live in - leftist could cancel our banking and credit card access. It would still be difficult for them - but in the near future, it’ll be easy...l


49 posted on 12/21/2012 8:13:52 AM PST by GOPJ (Detroit should be renamed 'Michael Mooresville'...)
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To: All

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/12/21/live-blog-nra-press-conference/

live


50 posted on 12/21/2012 8:14:21 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Perseverando

Take away the guns and only the people with money will have them. $$$ talks no one walks. The gun running black market will prevail. It doesn’t take much to make your own. The Sten gun is a prime example. We ban Cocaine and Heroin and yet tons make it through. It will be just as easy to bring in ammo as the Rum Runners of the Prohibition era. AK 47’s from the factory in Venezuela should be easy to get into the country. It will become a big $$$ business.


51 posted on 12/21/2012 8:14:38 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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To: Nervous Tick; lurk
>> You’ll turn in your guns, if you’re hungry enough.
>
>How do you envision that they’ll make those of us in the country “hungry enough”?

That's actually insanely/disturbingly easy:
1 -- Our rail-system goes through one of [fewer than] 16 points in all lengthy runs -- destroy or control those locations and you have control of *ALL* rail-shipping.
2 -- Raise the price of Diesel fuel by another dollar (maybe even as little as 50 cents) and It's likely that a lot of trucking companies will go out of business.

Do both of those and there will be starvation. There are other things that our government can do to exacerbate starvation-enforcement.

52 posted on 12/21/2012 8:16:19 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: The Duke

>> It would all be very low key.

Not if (say) Gov. Perry publicly proclaimed that the executive order wouldn’t be enforced in Texas, and that no Federal gun collection points would be allowed within the borders of Texas.

That would bring things to a head pretty quickly, in a very high-profile way, don’t you think?


53 posted on 12/21/2012 8:16:59 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Perseverando

Illinois reviewing pensions for gun investments

6:42AM Friday
December 21, 2012

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) - Illinois public pension fund managers are reviewing their portfolios for investments in gun manufacturers after last week’s Connecticut school shooting.

Illinois State Board of Investment Executive Director William Atwood says that agency’s $12 billion portfolio includes about 84,000 shares worth $1.7 million in three gun-makers - Olin, Sturm Ruger and Smith & Wesson.

http://www.wlsam.com/common/page.php?feed=11&pt=Illinois+reviewing+pensions+for+gun+investments&id=1861&is_corp=0


54 posted on 12/21/2012 8:21:41 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Celerity
I have reason to believe they are orchestrated. I have a VERY good reason to believe this. When the government does declare weapons “Illegal” there WILL be shooting in the streets. But it won’t be any of us doing it. It will be continuation of the orchestrated events that we have been seeing up until now.

Hm, could you elaborate on that? I've not really been following the shooting reports, so I don't know the significance of those "supposed to" items.

55 posted on 12/21/2012 8:23:26 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: lurk
You’ll turn in your guns, if you’re hungry enough.

As long as I have a gun I'll never be, "hungry enough".
Don't you know that some people know how to hunt and prepare game?

56 posted on 12/21/2012 8:23:50 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: GOPJ

Other than my bills I pay with cash. My bills are paid online. On payday I withdraw a substantial amount of money and use cash for everything. Stores that ask for my ZIP code either put in a “standard” number or lose my business.


57 posted on 12/21/2012 8:26:31 AM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: rockrr
I chose to outfit myself in calibers consistent with my adversaries. The way I see it they are there to supply me with an endless supply of ammo.

Which is why many countries forbid civilian ownership of "military" calibers.

That's why Glock makes a .380.

58 posted on 12/21/2012 8:27:40 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: G Larry
Did you think about that, before typing? If they wrote that stupidity today, how would it be enforced? How many items in my collection were obtained in an untraceable manner?

Really? You don't think they will try to make it illegal to sell your own weapons? Where you buy your dope might be untraceable but if you get caught selling it, guess what?

59 posted on 12/21/2012 8:31:05 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: Yo-Yo
"Which is why many countries forbid civilian ownership of "military" calibers."

Which, I guess, means that, in the end, I need to possess enough "non-military" caliber ammunition to ensure that I can acquire a military weapon from an adversary who no longer has any need for it; which will then allow me to participate in my adversary's resupply chain.

60 posted on 12/21/2012 8:31:55 AM PST by BlueLancer ("Oh, man, that's a lot of Indians!" [LTC George A. Custer, 1876, near the Little Bighorn Valley])
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