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What Will It Take For You To Believe?
The Ignorant Fishermen.com ^ | 12/24/12 | DJP I.F.

Posted on 12/28/2012 4:39:53 PM PST by kindred

My fellow American conservatives and those of you of the moderate conservative persuasion... May I ask you this simple question.... How "blazes" do you do it? How do you keep your sanity when everything is going off the cliff at EXPONENTIAL rates and there are absolutely NO human answers and applicable remedies in sight?.

Well... we know that you "DON'T" do it and that you are totally consumed with fear, worry and pessimism. I read it every day on your faces at work, at family gatherings, on Free Republic, on the news and media outlets etc... You are scared to death and there is no where to hide your pessimism. Your hope balloon has popped in your face and you are left with ringing ears and consumed with fear for what is at hand. Oh My dear friends, America's demise is just the tip of the HORRIFIC godless iceberg that we see in front of us (Rev. 6-19). Will you now FINALLY wake up to the Divine realities and the prophetic warnings which are found in Almighty God's INFALLIBLE Word? It is sad to say... but no you will not wake up and you will continue down your delusion until that Day over takes you. I have seen it time and time again and it is VERY VERY rare that an individual will truly repent and turn to Almighty God in spirit and truth (John 4:24). The Bible is absolutely full of countless examples and in just my little life I can testify to the validity of the Bible's examples.

May I ask you this simple question... How "blazes" do you do it? How do you keep your sanity when every thing is going off the cliff at EXPONENTIAL rates and there are NO answers and applicable remedies in sight?

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For five years (since 2008), we here at the IFB have been sounding forth political commentary with a biblical perceptive with the end result that the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand! We have pointed out countless in-depth posts and analysis of our nation's absolute fractured estate, decadence, lawlessness, secularism, sex addiction, abortion, narcissism, drug addiction, socialism ideals, delusional solutions, hypocritical remedies and godless estate. It was in 2006 when the Marxist Progressives won the House and Senate after a socialistic GWB sold out conservatism and our Founding Fathers that we knew it was over and we as a nation finally crossed the tipping point. It was from then on that we began to Preach to all Americans and to the world that the Day of the Lord is at hand (Rev. 6-190! With the 2008 election victory of Barack H.Obama, America's first hard core Marxist president proved our point was proved even further and in light of all the Tea Parties, rallies, conservative optimism and energy the Left has only gotten stronger. Oh how I hate to state that reality but my dear friends stand back and look and is it not so. Then when all the evidence of Obama's disastrous four year dealing with our economy, morality and global relationships didn't matter a hill of beans to the American people after four years of this man's socialistic Marxist tyranny and we as a nation reelected this Marxist for a second term... well you might have to come to the conclusion that the jig is up by now... and it surely is. But yet clueless conservative "optimistic" scoffers abound (2 Peter 3:3) and conservative "optimistic" haters love to call us (IFB) quitters, sellouts, bigots, religious zealots, traders and allies of the Lefts agenda, Bible thumpers and my personal favorite, "ignorant". The majority of these comments come from conservatives from the largest Conservative political website forum in America, Free Republic. For the past 5 years we have been feeling the spiritual temperature there and have found that moral relativism, Biblical ignorance, conservative optimism and Christian ecumenicism dominate the forum. Thank God for Free Republic, they mean well and are a great group of people who truly love America as I do but that is not enough to aid us in our hour. Thank God that there is some God fearing, Bible believing, evangelical presence there who help point America's conservatives to the REALITY of our hour and Almighty God's Biblical perspective, but even these are usually scoffed at and laughed to scorn by American conservatives who are without a saving relationship to Jesus Christ the Messiah of Israel (Isa. 53, Matt. 7:21-32, Rom. 10:2-4). Tragically the dominate spirit there is one of unbelief, conservative optimism, spiritual delusion and ETERNAL blindness (Rom. 10:2-4). The temperature and climate of American conservatives who actually believe the Bible and its saving message is dead and ice cold and that was a heart breaking reality that God the Father has had to show me and with tears in my eyes I wish I could change it but I cannot choose for an individual to receive the Savior.

The temperature and climate of American conservatives who actually believe the Bible and its saving message is dead and ice cold and that was a heart breaking reality that God the Father has had to show me.

My dear friends, Oh how we need Divine REALITY today and not delusion and worldly solutions for our EXPONENTIAL global crises. Almighty God cries out to you all day long but will YOU receive Him and His ETERNAL solutions for your life? That is the dire question ALL must ask themselves in these last days. All these current events and crises of our global community are self induced by the lawless and godless works of fallen man (Rom. 1:18-32, Gal. 6:7). These products of evil men and their consequences are left in place to bring us to the brink of our delusions so that we may come out of our subjective selves and show us our desperate need tor the Savior, His pardon, and His RIGHTEOUSNESS.

My dear friends, WHAT WILL YOU DO? Will you continue to look for worldly solutions and human saviors or will you finally come to the end of yourself and receive the KING of kings and LORD of lords who is the WONDERFUL COUNSELOR and PRINCE of PEACE (Isa. 9:6-7, Rev. 19:11-16). All ETERNITY is before us and our brief existence in this fallen world is about gone. See the ETERNAL, see the Savior, see the REALITY and you will find the liberation and peace of Almighty God that will calm your hearts in America's last hours.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved!" (Acts 16:29)!

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!


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I'll put it all in His hands, like I've been doing.

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41 posted on 12/28/2012 7:07:44 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: kindred

Kindred, I agree with much of what you have said. America, Israel’s friend, has turned against it in its time of need, under Bath-House. Scripture says Israel will stand alone in the End Times.

I believe the End Times are at hand, as the generation of the fig tree, spoken of in Scripture, starts at the birth of Israel as a nation in the year 1948.

The “famine” in the End Times is supposedly not for food, but for the Word of God, and that is certainly true—churches do NOT teach about the Kenites, do they?

But, if you believe in the Rapture, I have a problem, as we as Christians will NOT be “flown away”...who helps fight the anti-christ? Who will support the two witnesses?

But, I agree-—too many “happenings” at this time as was foretold many, MANY years ago in prophecy—the immense information flow (internet), the “swarm” in the ME, the earthquakes in diverse places, Israel standing alone, even Ezekiel’s description of the “wheels”.

May God bless us and protect us, even as America seemingly turns away.


42 posted on 12/28/2012 7:31:48 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: jongaltsr; kindred
>>Your comments welcome.......!<<

Jesus said “my Father which art in heaven”, “my Father and I are one”. Notice it didn’t say “mother” or “it”? Pretty much settles if for me.

43 posted on 12/28/2012 7:45:20 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: AlexW

And how do you think the world will fare...you will fare once the US is no more?


44 posted on 12/28/2012 9:43:30 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug

“And how do you think the world will fare...you will fare once the US is no more?”
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Well, even if the USA turns into the USSA, as in the old Soviet Union, I will certainly miss my social security, but I live in a constant climate, in the vegetable capital of my island, and I have fish, fowl, and pork readily available.
I will survive my final years.
I know that I will be far better off then those left in America, particularly those in the northern half of the country, and those that would have no clue as to what to do if the supermarkets and Walmart no longer exist.
The vast majority of Americans are totally unprepared for ANYTHING that upsets their daily routine.
Keep in mind, I am not predicting this, but America and other countries of the west are in deep doo-doo, and it will never again be the country or culture that I grew up in.

International living has taught me many things.
I have lived in former Communist countries of Europe, visited a number of others, and now my final destination in the tropical Pacific.
I have a new life with a wife and our almost two year old boy, who, by the way, already knows how to start his own laptop and bring up his U-tube kiddie songs.

Those on this thread that have been castigating me and my choice of life had better start evaluating their own lives in the Obamination.
There is very little hope that it will get better there within most lifetimes, and it will likely get worse.
As other Expats see it, I am not alone in my views.
My newest neighbor is a wealthy man from Cape Cod.
He has many of the same views.


45 posted on 12/28/2012 10:09:52 PM PST by AlexW
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To: kindred

“What Will It Take For You To Believe?”

When the majority of citizens react to eliminate Agenda 21 that has permeated our universities and city planning boards.

When our elected representatives expose and fight to end the corruption and greed that runs rampant in our government.

When our government ends the Fed and exposes and drives out all of the (money changers) local and international central bankers...

When the group that sits on the board of our major media outlets are exposed and driven out.

When God is welcomed back in our schools and in our government offices and in our legislation...


46 posted on 12/28/2012 10:29:52 PM PST by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: AlexW

I worry more for my children, and their children, and their....


47 posted on 12/29/2012 4:36:56 AM PST by onedoug
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To: kindred

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48 posted on 12/29/2012 10:00:17 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: CynicalBear

Did the “Original” writing say “Father”?
I do not think so. It was written in Greek and “Father” in Greek has at least 3 (and I understand as many as 5) distinct different meanings.
1. The progenitor of said individual
2. The male who took care and “helped” raise or educate said child.
3. A respected elderly male who may or may not have been related.
4. A member of the clergy or scholastic teacher
5. Anybody to whom one would want to show respect for.

The Jewish tradition is that the mother was always subordinate to any male (not so much in modern time) and the male was the “Generator” of children whilst a woman was merely the vessel that the child was nurtured in until such time as he was born unto his father (by his vessel - his mother).

That is tradition through many cultures.

Gods were portrayed as both male and female but many writings indicated that universal Gods that held reign over the world were never given a sex even though they were often as not thought to be male.

Many religious leaders refused to identify the sex because they felt that doing so was wrong. They did not know specifically if a god of the “Universe” / “Heavens” could be anything more than an entity and therefor a sex could not be applied.

Recent philosophers have considered any Universal God could not be a male or female because the “Universe” as we know know it, could not be a sexual individual but rather an entity.

Even early Jewish writers refrained from using the term which specified God as any sex.

REMEMBER THIS - Your Translation was probably done close to 800 to 1500 years after the fact and meanings and definition were very loosely applied to many facts which have since been rethought and redefined.

In addition, Jesus NEVER wrote ANYTHING that was ever published. It was only through others that “interpreted” and recalled his words as long as 2 plus decades after Jesus’s death that his words have been handed down and translated from language to language to language - all with different visions of what was meant and how to properly translate certain words (such as “Father”).


49 posted on 12/29/2012 12:27:01 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: jongaltsr; RnMomof7; metmom; boatbums; caww; Iscool; presently no screen name
I have good reason.

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. >>Did the “Original” writing say “Father”?<<

Well, let’s look at Matthew 6:9 and see what that says.

Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

The Greek word use there is patḗr and it’s a masculine noun.

Then let’s look at John 10:30 “I and my Father are one”. Again the word used is patḗr and it’s still a masculine noun.

>> REMEMBER THIS - Your Translation was probably done close to 800 to 1500 years after the fact and meanings and definition were very loosely applied to many facts which have since been rethought and redefined.<<

Find an earlier manuscript where a different word was used and we can talk. Otherwise stop the nonsense at least with me. I ain’t buyin your genderless liberalism.

50 posted on 12/29/2012 12:53:36 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: jongaltsr
God is Great, God is Good,,,,,.... (Remember that child hood prayer) - it never says “He”.

Is that supposed to be proof of some kind?

51 posted on 12/29/2012 1:35:37 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: kindred
Acts 16:29-31 And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Acts 4:11-12 11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Doesn't get any more basic than that.

52 posted on 12/29/2012 1:39:18 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Obadiah
My flesh wants to make a stand. I’m not sure that’s in the Lord’s plans as he seemingly has not laid that on the hearts of others or has raised up leaders.

On one hand, I feel like I’m flailing about and not being useful. On the other hand, I am open and listening to hear and do what the Lord commands.

I hear you. There are some in some branches of Evangelical Christianity who claim that they are the new prophets and apostles but I have yet to see any significant grassroots movement. It seems to be going no where fast.

53 posted on 12/29/2012 1:44:46 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: jongaltsr

The version I heard followed with “let us thank Him for our food. Amen.”


54 posted on 12/29/2012 1:51:08 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: humblegunner
Your good at reading language and grammar but not the times or the seasons... that is why they will over take you... Remember that my scoffing friend. The shadow of the coming evil days are hanging over you and will eventually overcome you. It will be then that you will fully understand, but it will be too late... You truly need to earn and learn your name "hummble" before it is too late for you. Forever is along time...
55 posted on 12/30/2012 4:04:53 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Your good at reading language

That should be "you're".. a contraction of "you are".

The shadow of the coming evil days are hanging over you and will eventually overcome you.

I've got a stock of light bulbs.

It will be then that you will fully understand, but it will be too late...

I understand pretty well and it's early.
How many hits have you gotten via Free Republic?

You truly need to earn and learn your name "hummble" before it is too late for you.

You truly can bite my ass, you know nothing about me except
that I object to your usage (unpaid) of Free Republic
to promote your own "writing".

The "evil days" coming will be something I will deal with
in ways that do not include promoting my lame-assed blog crap.

Be blessed, you.

56 posted on 12/30/2012 4:17:10 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: CynicalBear

Show me the original documents.
Those of what you speak are hundreds if not thousands of years in the past and many, many translations.
NOT LIBERAL but rather HISTORICAL.
How can the universe be masculine? for God IS the heavens and the earth......etc.

Men were the only ones to occupy the holy temples.
It was very male oriented back then, so a superior being is always male to the simple mind regardless of the facts.

If you depend upon what you read you are depending upon the bias and ignorance of the past and not projecting “what” God is but rather how men perceived authority prior to the time when men finally came to realize that the earth was not flat and that there is more beyond our heavens than we can possibly fathom - even today.

GOD is. (Period)


57 posted on 01/02/2013 12:32:08 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: RegulatorCountry

Believe what makes you comfortable.
Be of good heart and great manner.

Look at the “Universe” and then tell me what gender that Universe is.


58 posted on 01/02/2013 12:40:56 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: jongaltsr
>> If you depend upon what you read you are depending upon the bias and ignorance of the past<<

Well, well! We come to the bottom line. If you don’t believe that scripture is the word of God but is only the “bias and ignorance of the past” then there is little more we have to discuss. Have a great year!

59 posted on 01/02/2013 12:57:18 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: kindred
...on Free Republic, on the news and media outlets etc... You are scared to death. Your hope balloon has popped in your face and you are left with ringing ears and consumed with fear for what is at hand. Oh My dear friends...

Well that's all the further I could read.

A broad brush of FR members as ALL being scared to death....and consumed with fear.

Totally condescending and demeaning to posters here, that you address as "My dear friends."

But of course kindred, you are just posting a blog article apparantly by someone who doesn't have a clue of the base of Free Republic and how strong and fearless the majority of them are.

Perhaps the blogger you are quoting should spend some time here and post something without the massive put down of all members here.

60 posted on 01/02/2013 12:58:26 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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