Posted on 01/07/2013 7:40:26 AM PST by DogByte6RER
Arnold Schwarzenegger says 'Terminator' and other violent movies shouldn't be blamed for mass shootings
Arnold Schwarzenegger may be one of the world's biggest action stars but the former governor of California says violence in films is entertainment and should not be linked to tragic events like the Connecticut school shooting in which 20 children died.
The star of films such as 'The Terminator,' 'Predator' and 'True Lies' told a press conference ahead of the opening of his new movie, 'The Last Stand,' that 'one has to keep (the two) separate.'
'(This is) entertainment and the other thing is a tragedy beyond belief. It's really serious and it's the real deal,' Schwarzenegger, 65, told reporters.
The actor, who will star in his first leading role in the film since serving as California governor for seven years, said the tragedy in which a gunman killed 20 children and six staff at the Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, is about more than just guns.
'We have to analyze how we deal with mental illness, how we deal with gun laws, how we deal with parenting,' he said.
In 'The Last Stand,' Schwarzenegger plays a retired Los Angeles policeman who becomes a border town sheriff who must stop a violent drug lord from crossing the border.
The film, with its violent scenes, is the type of movie that National Rifle Association chief Wayne LaPierre recently cited as a contributing factor to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.
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If it is idiocy to think that then why did they ban cigarette commercials? In fact, why would anyone want to spend money on a TV commercial if it didn’t influence the audience.
ALL of the kid killers were on psychoactive drugs... with the blessing of idiot liberals who see mind mucking drugs as ‘the answer’...
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/
My parents did the damndest thing when I was a child watching these movies. They actually explained to me that they were fake. Who would have thought that a parent could actually do this?
saying that no one has ever been influenced by a violent movie is the same as trying to argue that no one has ever been improved by a great book.
I don’t care how the audience looks at it, it’s sick. To see a young girl hanging by her arms and some maniac about to saw off her arm is pure evil. Anybody who enjoys that is mentally ill.
And what did the shooter in CT spend all his time doing? He played violent video games.
Whether somebody is a mental case and acts on his violent impulses or is “normal” and just enjoys watching people being tortured and having blood spurting everywhere, the stuff that people are watching and listening to is still perverse. The garbage that passes for entertainment is proof of our deteriorating culture.
“Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy - meditate on these things.” ~ Phil. 4:8
“I will set no worthless thing before my eyes” ~ Psalm 101:3
I’ll ‘controvert’ it.
Several of us beat this to death the other night. Here’s the real ‘incontrovertible’ fact.
Video games have existed since the 70s. First Person Shooters since the early 90s. Hundreds of millions of people throughout the world, including a sizable contingent RIGHT HERE ON FR play them.
Where are all the dead bodies?
Where are the literally millions of bodies that Grossman’s thesis predicts?
WHY are MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of long time gamers not suddenly snapping and blasting people like a bad Vietnam flashback movie?
Each and every one of you know gamers. Do you think those people are closet killers? If you think this idea is correct, then what in God’s name is wrong with you associating and exposing your family to these potential psychopaths?
Did you go kill anyone after playing cowboys and indians as a kid? You played that with real people. Your real friend played real dead and you pretended in your mind to really blow him into a thousand pieces across thee yard.
Gee Real friend vs. some collection of pixels on a screen. I wonder which would be more psychologically damaging...
And that is how stupid this is.
If society has reached the point we have to bubblewrap kids rather than teach the difference between right and wrong, good and evil then lets all just stop breathing right now.
Want to put blame? Blame parents for not explaining to their kid that games are not real, guns kill and HOW TO USE ONE.
Now if as a parent you choose to bubblewrap your kid, then don’t be surprised when they cannot properly deal with reality and make bad decisions. Same goes for ‘anything goes’ types that refuse to teach consequence.
But everyone thinking to ban games, do not be shocked when your own ‘safe’ little thing hits some lib’s ban list. There will be no one to help you.
Ahnold is not an American.
We need laws to keep non-American born people from holding any political office.
Similarly, in the 1970's, Saturday night specials were a Hollywood favorite and that's what the gun grabbers were going after in the 1970's.
Since 1986, Hollywood has pushed the black guns and not coincidentally, black guns are what the gun grabbers have been going after.
The chief causes of these mass murders are insanity and drugs.
It’s not the violence of movies that necessarily does the damage, provided that the movie distinguishes between right and wrong. Killing the bad guys can be good. Killing kids—bad.
That’s why I have reservations about folks like Quentin Tarrantino. I don’t think he draws the necessary moral lines in his movies.
I DO think that the media are partly to blame. They make it possible for these crazy kids to think that they can become FAMOUS if they go into a school and shoot a lot of kids before committing suicide. And it’s true. They CAN become famous.
I have no desire to see another Schwarzenegger movie. The guy was a political jerk, and that would spoil it for me. But his moves did, on the whole, distinguish between good and evil.
completely agree with you and perfectly stated.
advertising and culture do have an effect. books have an effect, the Bible has an effect, movies, TV and music all have a cumulative effect.
to state otherwise is ridiculous. Violence in movies and games has a different effect on everyone.
what to do about it? there’s the rub. better attention paid to things in the culture that DO have a positive effect on our young, hard work, goodness, prayer, etc..
we need to counter the awful effect of that crap.
1st amendment must stand, obviously...
Just another point to consider on the movie thing...Apply this to whatever you do..
I am a hobbyist musician that has played guitar since Spandex and Hair Metal ruled the land. in the last couple years I have moved to computer music.I have been studying music theory. A lot. A WHOLE LOT. For hours at a time since health concerns leave me non active.
I spend a lot of that time on video courses and such. Because I WANT to learn it I ACTIVELY WANT to learn a thing and ACTIVELY work toward that goal by watching tutorials and reading everything I can about it.
Yet I cannot compose a symphony. The ultimate musical expression.. I cannot play a Steve Vai guitar solo note for note. Hell I can’t even approach it.
So if the movies CAUSE violence meme holds true, why can’t I? Why should a person PASSIVELY watching a movie suddenly develop violent tendencies when I cannot magically learn to write Mozart while ACTIVELY putting far more effort into it?
Apples and oranges? Nope. Because the underlying theory holds true for both.
It either holds true for both or neither.
Therefore logically, the answer lies somewhere else. And the core of that answer is that there is a whole lot more involved. For both.
I’m still waiting for my phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range, to come in!
Product placement adds in movies must work or they would not be placed there.
Correct. Art is a mirror that reflects who we are. If our art is violent, it’s because we are violent creatures, not the other way around.
Ever see children acting out the characters and stories of books and movies?Children learn much by imitating what they see and hear.
Of course violent for the sake of viloence entertainment degrades a society.
You think the Romans watching the Christians devoured by lions in the Coliseum weren’t influenced?
Evidently you know nothing of humans and reality.
Hmmmmmm....what to say to the hypocritical.....
Hey, just what you see, pal.
Hollywood is a problem but they (Arnold, et al) are all saying "Not Me, Not Me."
Are they even considering that they might be part of the problem.
*crickets*
Creating new music and committing violent acts are most certainly not comparable.
Your premise is false.
The violent killers are bent on destruction and the trigger of a gun is much easier mechanism to obtain the desired result than a keyboard or guitar string.
It has always been easier to destroy than to build.
Celebrating and glorifying vuiolwence is not Art.
Very little of what is called Art is truly artistic;much is garbage esthetically and artisically,and if ALL government funding for Art ended tomorrow I think we would be better off!
By the way do you consider “snuff films” Art ? What do you use to differientiate Art and porniography?And do you really maintain those do not influence people?
I say you can’t live on a diet of crap without getting sick; and much of today’s Art, especially aimed at teens is crap.
“a steady diet of gruesome vid games, and movies, all aimed at young men 12 to 17”
So, what do you suggest? Punish all of society because some people are poor parents and allow their 12-17 year olds to consume garbage?
“Blame Julia, not me, do it to Julia!!!”
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