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IRS Threatens Employers
CCHF ^ | 1-16-13 | Twila Brase

Posted on 01/16/2013 12:09:28 PM PST by TurboZamboni

The gloves are coming off. We're 11 months from full implementation and the real-world impact of Obamacare is hitting the newswires. Taco Bell and Wendy's just cut the hours of hundreds of employees to avoid the Obamacare employer health insurance mandate. These workers will not only not have health insurance, they will have less money to pay for it and may be forced into Medicaid under the individual mandate.

Now, the Internal Revenue Service is warning employers not to avoid the employer mandate. The IRS issued a 144-page notice which says they will soon issue proposed regulations with "anti-abuse rules."

This means penalties. The IRS intends to penalize any employer who dares to follow the law by finding the Obamacare's legal loopholes and employing perfectly legal tactics to avoid its penalties. These legal tactics are nothing new. But President Obama doesn't like it so he's called out the IRS bloodhounds.

In fact, nothing in the Obamacare law says employers can't cut hours, re-hire, split companies into separate legal entities to shrink the size of the company to the requisite penalty-avoiding 49 employees, or use temporary agencies. As the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) states, "A business can avoid the penalties by firing employees, by not hiring new ones, by replacing full-timers with part-timers, or by outsourcing."

In addition, because Obamacare defines "full-time" as 30 hours/week...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barrycares; hiring; irs; irspenalties; jobs; obamacare; obamacareirs; obamacaremandate; penalities; punishment; regulations
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They are already doing this in France. Penalizing companies for shutting down.


21 posted on 01/16/2013 12:52:31 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Gaffer

Affordable Care Act?????

Affordable? Does that seem strange to you?

Up is down, hot is cold, stink is pleasant, left is right, and raw rhubarb is delicious???

No matter what the government labels a communistic bill, the name is the opposite of the actual effect.

Furthermore, nothing the government says (and it’s supporters...the MSN) can be believed. Whatever they say, believe just the opposite and you won’t be fooled.

Who ever thought we would reach this point in our culture?


22 posted on 01/16/2013 12:52:41 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DH

Hey....I just report the facts...that’s what it’s called.

The most troubling and difficult task for a prospective bill author or political party is to invent the name of law that is completely the opposite of what the proposed law would do....

These last four years of suffering the humiliation of being a citizen in the now-country of Obama have left me feeling like the actors on some of those old Sci-Fi episodes of the “Twightlight Zone”....I actually have trouble sleeping at night because of the disbelief of what my country has become.


23 posted on 01/16/2013 1:01:42 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: DH

It is neither affordable nor is it health care.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 1:05:26 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: TurboZamboni

To anybody just being born now: this really was a great country, once. About 60 years ago. Was. It isn’t any more.


25 posted on 01/16/2013 1:08:19 PM PST by I want the USA back (Welcome to the former United States of America)
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To: TurboZamboni

The IRS - government - threatens........ Anybody still doubt about the tyranny in America?


26 posted on 01/16/2013 1:13:42 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: Brownie63

I looked and there isnt any such regulation.


27 posted on 01/16/2013 1:16:33 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Lorianne
They are already doing this in France. Penalizing companies for shutting down.

You have to respect insane consitency, in an insane kind of way.

28 posted on 01/16/2013 1:19:09 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: I want the USA back

Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp:

Arbeitsziehungslager


29 posted on 01/16/2013 1:24:57 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: TurboZamboni

These bastards really break our stones. What if the business isn’t making a profit? Sometimes you are just barely making it, but you don’t close the business because you know it will get better. You continue to pay your employees because it’s the right thing to do, but you don’t take a salary because you’re an honest person.

The fools who gave us this a$$hole law have no bloody idea of what it means to have a business. In the liberal “minds”, business owners are evil capitalists who exploit their workers and earn obscene profits on the backs and sweat of their employees.

The end goal is to have all the means of production in the hands of the government. See communist manifesto.


30 posted on 01/16/2013 1:27:56 PM PST by I want the USA back (Liberalism is an incurable failure of the mind's ability to think rationally.)
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To: I want the USA back

In the minds of a leftist, any profit margin greater than 1% is greedy unless it’s a solar company or some other ‘green’ company getting taxpayer money.

If the ‘green’ company isn’t completley bankrupt within a year, it’s a “stimulus success story” and/or a “great American company”.


31 posted on 01/16/2013 1:40:50 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

After a while they define 20 hours as full time.

Here’s an idea, you liberal a$$hole$. Use your own money (not ours) to open a business. Get the required approvals and registrations. Pay the fees. Pay rent. Buy supplies and equipment. Pay employees. All from your own money or your investors’. Work your a$$ off for 2 years to make it profitable. Pay the sales taxes on all sales. Pay worker’s comp, unemployment, payroll tax, insurance and electricity. If there’s any profit left, pay 30% of it to the government.

If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you should. You created this anti-business climate. So shut your liberal pie-hole.


32 posted on 01/16/2013 1:41:39 PM PST by I want the USA back (Yup, i'm mad.)
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To: Vendome
"If I owned several franchises I’d incorporate them seperately and be done with it."

And then ObamaGub'ment would change the rules and you'd still do as they wish or face stiff penalties and eventually imprisonment.

The SCOTUS Ruled the Gub'ment can make you pay anything they wish as long as they make it a tax.

You can't win that battle.

33 posted on 01/16/2013 1:48:04 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: TurboZamboni

Wonder what would happen if all those large employers sent everyone home for a couple of weeks while they reconsider whether they wish to continue to keep their businesses open. I’ll bet the government hot shots would wet their panties. Business owners need to rebel big time. The government can’t force them to keep their doors open.


34 posted on 01/16/2013 1:54:53 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: WildHighlander57

Atlas Shrugged


35 posted on 01/16/2013 1:55:06 PM PST by italianquaker
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To: TurboZamboni

Who needs the Gestapo when you have the IRS ...


36 posted on 01/16/2013 2:16:58 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

If Roberts had any integrity or loyalty to the Constitution, he would have outed his black mailers.


37 posted on 01/16/2013 2:20:24 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: I want the USA back

We need a “living minimum wage” in the USA.
It is only “fair”.
$100/hour is a reasonable first step with 15% “cost of living” increases annually.
Business should not be so greedy.
They have lots of money.

(It’s for the children/s)


38 posted on 01/16/2013 2:26:15 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: tommix2

“It will make it a lot harder for many to find work.”

No, it will make it easier to find work but harder to find good work. A mentor of mine was working in Portugal (for one of the big accounting firms) decades ago, and Portugal had basically decided to lower unemployment by having people work half days. They doubled the workforce and halved the pay. Expect the same consequence here; it will be trumpeted that Obama lowered the unemployment rate to 1%, and Americans will have average annual salaries of $12,000 (and a lot of free time on their hands).


39 posted on 01/16/2013 2:29:17 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: txrefugee

“I’ll bet the government hot shots would wet their panties. Business owners need to rebel big time. The government can’t force them to keep their doors open.”

I think you’ve missed the point of the re-distribution scheme; business owners, suffering from four years of Obamanomics, rebeled and failed in the 2012 election. The government has been closing them down by stifling growth; every business that has closed up will be re-opened with a “women/minority business loan” (subsidized by the businesses that have survived). There will be no transfer of wealth from the prior generation to their heirs by the time this is done; they have “leveled the playing field” with their re-distribution and estate taxes and such. If all goes according to plan, uneducated whites will replace affirmative action blacks in the underclass within one generation.

This economy is not an unforeseen consequence; IT WAS THE ULTIMATE GOAL FROM DAY ONE.


40 posted on 01/16/2013 2:36:27 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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