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US representative calls for outlawing 3-D printed gun magazines.
NBC News Technology ^ | 1/19/13 | Devin Coldewey , NBC News

Posted on 01/19/2013 12:44:11 PM PST by Carriage Hill

U.S. Representative Steve Israel (D-Huntington, N.Y.) plans to propose a ban on creating gun magazines with 3-D printers. The bill is still in the drafting stage, but Israel intends to make sure existing legislation includes consideration for this new kind of homemade firearm.

Last month, Rep. Israel proposed to renew the Undetectable Firearms Act, which was adopted in 1988 and will expire in December of this year. Israel suggested that the act, which requires all guns to be detectable by such devices as X-ray machines and metal detectors, is more relevant than ever.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 3d; banglist; mags; newyork; printing
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To: Dan Cooper
Plastic magazines aren’t undetectable, they still need metal springs.

Most use them, but they don't NEED them. A pneumatic system or external rubber elastics would work.

41 posted on 01/19/2013 2:59:50 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: carriage_hill

3D printers are the steam engines of the great steel industrial revolution.

But these Islamic dumbnut followers don’t want people getting better, nor smarter as that is an unbelievable threat to their ideology.Even if 3D printing went underground it will outpace everything else, like as some have offered a compasrison of matching automobiles to computing power a decade or so again that every six months a car would double its fuel mileage would more than double its speed and would become so cheap as to be almost disposable and obolete in a years time.

In one year I predict their will be a massive explosion of 3D printers owners, many will just use it as a toy like making toys and trinkets. But many will see it as a tool, and may will push its boundaries, some will attempt to not use plastic but an edible protein substance and will create top sirloin replicas.

Or instead of buying some small over priced trim part like a knob, bezel or logo for your car you can print your own.

The progressives fear the loss of control, of taxation and the individualism of creativity, because that leads to upsetting socialistic agendas.

And America has truly been invaded by a socialist agenda, the 3D printer is solely target as the enemy.

Who cares if a all plastic mag lasts just once? In a full on battle they would be a one time use anyway, any lying around on the ground is free for the picking, or to be recycled.One time use, drop the mag, forget about it, pop another loaded one in your weapon and keep on advancing.

This almost like someone appearing out of nowhere with a blueprint to make the most basic type of an AK rifle during the civil war era, and gunsmiths then were able to make almost every component short of chroming the barrel and smokeless powder, the steel would have been marginal but it would work.


42 posted on 01/19/2013 3:00:06 PM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: carriage_hill
Anyone interested in seeing the limits of gub'mnt control over technology probably ought to watch LOOPERS. It all takes place in the future, but not far into the future. Hugo Gernsberk probably ran the storyline first ~ but it was quite prescient.

The key item is nobody has money anymore. It's more like they have cast silver blocks/sheets that they carry around.

That tells you where criminal subversion of the credit card is going as well ~ nobody has a credit card!

The people 20 years from now (about when this is set) are growing sugar cane in Northern Illinois ~ recombinant DNA technology will give us sugar cane that grows around Hudson's Bay for that matter. In about 20 years.

43 posted on 01/19/2013 3:00:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: All
"Welcome to the age of the 3D printed magazine" [video]
44 posted on 01/19/2013 3:25:03 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: muawiyah

Also in Loopers is that almost anywhere anytime if someone gets in your face you have the right to nail them with a shotgun.


45 posted on 01/19/2013 3:29:17 PM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: carriage_hill

Have fun trying to put that genie back in the bottle, lefties. You’ve already lost control. America is just giving 0bama his wish for an armed civilian force, except this one won’t take orders.


46 posted on 01/19/2013 3:42:52 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: Dan Cooper
Plastic magazines aren’t undetectable, they still need metal springs.

Nothing is undetectable regardless of metal springs or not.

Airport scanners can see everything in your luggage, including a used condom if you should happen to leave one.......

A few years ago I applied for a job with the TSA and went thru their testing program which included identifying certain objects which were photographed from actual xray images from baggage scanners.

Of course you don't see the images in 3-D but rather the outlines of every article in the piece of baggage. And with practice and training, certain shapes will require a personal inspection of that piece of luggage........

Remember the government outcry years ago when the plastic Glocks first came on scene? Liberals all had their panties in a wad claiming that people would be able to carry these firearms on planes undetected...........

47 posted on 01/19/2013 3:46:16 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Vince Ferrer
We are not crossing into a dangerous new territory, it crosses into an old territory when the local blacksmith had the power and knowledge and tools to create weapons by himself. And yet we survived that era fine. We need to concentrate on the character and mental state of the people involved more than the technology.

Pashtun tribesmen in the tribal areas of Afghanistan apparently make pretty good AK clones. What people don't seem to understand about the gun is that it's a 19th century technology, and most of the changes made to it since then have been design changes rather than to the basic process of making one.

48 posted on 01/19/2013 3:54:22 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Trod Upon

Please pardon my interruption:

“America is just giving 0bama his wish for an armed civilian force, except this one won’t take orders.”

I liked your comment so much, I cannot resist. I am learning 3D cad design and I, also, was wondering just how government is going to prevent people from creating their own programs?

Thanks, Nice post :-)


49 posted on 01/19/2013 3:54:57 PM PST by notted (autodidactic)
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To: carriage_hill
U.S. Representative Steve Israel (D-Huntington, N.Y.) plans to propose a ban on creating gun magazines with 3-D printers.

If he knew what he was talking about, it wouldn't be magazines coming out of printers that he'd be worried about.


50 posted on 01/19/2013 3:58:00 PM PST by archy
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To: archy

Is that sear-related thing, what I think it is?

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/identification-of-nfa-firearms.html

(Conversion Parts)


51 posted on 01/19/2013 4:09:08 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

You beat me to it.
Corvettes have used composite suspension springs since the 80s.


52 posted on 01/19/2013 4:14:35 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Vince Ferrer

This was one of the best posts on FR in a long time. Well written, with a fundamental understanding of the topic. Kudos.


53 posted on 01/19/2013 5:44:00 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: carriage_hill
Is that sear-related thing, what I think it is?

That's what it is. The trip lever needs to be of hardened steel, as do the pivot pin and return spring. But the main body is oftentimes seen made of aluminum or brass [I saw a gold one once and I don't think it was plated] sometimes steel. But several printable plastics offer possibilities. And it doesn't require much material.

54 posted on 01/19/2013 5:47:48 PM PST by archy
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To: archy

Mail.


55 posted on 01/19/2013 6:25:09 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: Dark Wing

Told ‘ya.


56 posted on 01/19/2013 6:26:01 PM PST by Thud
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To: muawiyah

I’m reading about it and watching trailers, now. Wow. I’d never heard of it. Need to get the DVD. Thanks for the tip.


57 posted on 01/19/2013 6:28:50 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: rex regnum insanit

350-400 of those on both side of the aisle, need standing against a stone wall, and ... IMO.


58 posted on 01/19/2013 6:33:03 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: carriage_hill
Mail.

Yep. I got the little capsule thingy off the pigeon okay.

59 posted on 01/19/2013 7:02:17 PM PST by archy
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To: carriage_hill
They can do that now? Wow.

At least since around 2007 (maybe earlier - can't remember...) I scanned a copy of a bill and put a picture of my daughter on it to print on her spending-money envelope (church youth trip) When I tried printing it, it would get to either the Federal Reserve or the Treasury Seal (depending on the photo orientation) before HP machine would quit and print some warning message like "See www.treasury.gov for more information". Even following the guidelines (over/under-sized, color changes, etc.), I still got the warning message until I got rid of the seals. I Googled it at the time to see what was going on, but there's no telling what else the Feds have told our electronic equipment to do since then....

60 posted on 01/19/2013 7:38:03 PM PST by GizmosAndGadgets (How Free Are You In America Today?)
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