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MILLER: The cop-killer bullet myth - Politicians go after ammunition as a sneaky way to get your gun
Washington Times ^ | January 29, 2013 | Emily Miller

Posted on 01/30/2013 1:20:26 PM PST by neverdem

Edited on 01/30/2013 1:45:01 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Give the administration credit for its creativity. The theatrical show President Obama and Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. are putting on in their effort to foist gun control on the public disguises a more subtle push to disarm America in the name of protecting cops. On Monday, Mr. Obama invited police chiefs from towns that have had mass shootings to the White House for a discussion on firearms and, more importantly, a photo opportunity.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; biden; bloat; democrats; donutwatch; govtabuse; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment; tyranny
Creative? IMHO, going after rifle ammo is stupid!
1 posted on 01/30/2013 1:20:33 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Test it with a dummy wrapped in armor of flattened out beer cans. If the bullet goes through it’s armor piercing.


2 posted on 01/30/2013 1:23:59 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: neverdem

They can have my bullets as they leave the barrel.


3 posted on 01/30/2013 1:25:47 PM PST by Renegade
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To: neverdem

Only non-lethal, green bullets allowed.


4 posted on 01/30/2013 1:25:47 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
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5 posted on 01/30/2013 1:27:53 PM PST by CMailBag
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To: neverdem
Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders will finally have her wish granted for "safer guns and safer bullets."


6 posted on 01/30/2013 1:30:48 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: neverdem
"Rifles are used less often in crimes because they are bulky and hard to conceal."

That's why we need to ban hacksaw blades.

7 posted on 01/30/2013 1:30:53 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: neverdem
We're in the Pied Piper phase. Stalin has not yet taken off his mask. That comes later.


8 posted on 01/30/2013 1:31:50 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: FRiends
When they tell you
"We're coming for you with both barrels",
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9 posted on 01/30/2013 1:34:01 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: neverdem
One needs to learn the lessons of history.

http://www.thegunzone.com/762x39.html

I have seen THE OLYMPIC ARMS pistol that resulted in the ban of inexpensive Chinese ammo. It was all because there was a commercial pistol that could fire the ammo, even though as rifle ammo it was OK to import.

ATF has proven that they can not be trusted. This is a ban on ammo, pure and simple.

If they expand it to include defeating body armor, then some military surplus pistols like the ChiCom/Russian Tokarev can also defeat most body armor with standard military FMJ ammo.

10 posted on 01/30/2013 1:37:16 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: neverdem

Didn’t they pull this crap when they banned, or tried to ban Black Talons?

Either way, I haven’t seen them in a long time, other than when I visit the lake where all my guns and ammo went splishy-splashy....


11 posted on 01/30/2013 1:37:51 PM PST by LadyBuck (Yo, Bartender, Jobu needs a refill!)
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To: neverdem

IMHO, they’re going after ammunition to make it increasingly difficult for the last generation of firearms enthusiasts to pass on their enthusiasm, skills, and passion to the next generation of potential firearms enthusiasts. This is just one aspect of their overall plan to disarm us-be eliminating enthusiasm and passionate support for the sport- slowly but surely. This is why we shooters need to constantly be introducing new people to the sport wonderful sport of target shooting.


12 posted on 01/30/2013 1:39:14 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: neverdem
Here is Joe at a 'gun control' meeting.


13 posted on 01/30/2013 1:42:56 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (What difference does it make (if they eat cake)?)
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To: neverdem

To paraphrase Archie Bunker:

“Would it make yiz feel any better if dem Cops had been pushed outta windows?”


14 posted on 01/30/2013 1:44:53 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: neverdem

For years and years here on Free Republic I said if they can’t get your guns they will get your ammo. Everyone thought that was a dumb statement.

Well, guess what? They are coming for your ammo!

So far, in all of my predictions of what the communist movement would do has come true.

All that it takes is to know history and have common sense and an analytical mind.


15 posted on 01/30/2013 1:49:56 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: neverdem

When the anti-gunners found there was ammo that would go through a police vest they immediately coined the word “Cop-Killer Bullet” and used it to drive a wedge between the NRA and police groups.

Cop Killer bullets do the impossible, only in the movies.


16 posted on 01/30/2013 1:50:59 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: LadyBuck

Winchester tweaked the dreaded Black Talon a little bit and re-named it `Ranger’. You know, like Yogi the Bear’s pal, Ranger Smith at Jellystone Park?
And the perpetually offended left went away only somewhat unhappy.
With them it’s always form over substance, style over function. They’re like spoiled brats, never really happy, even lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgxyTndj50s

Maybe we could offer to paint our evil black guns avacado, chartreuse or mauve (rainbow?)—if they’ll just STFU.


17 posted on 01/30/2013 1:57:51 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
When the anti-gunners found there was ammo that would go through a police vest they immediately coined the word “Cop-Killer Bullet” and used it to drive a wedge between the NRA and police groups.

They also killed a few cops along the way. The police chiefs got wind that the Brady Bunch, et al were going to made a big deal with "Cop Killer Bullets". The chiefs pled with Brady not to do so as it was not widely known then that the police had vests. The Bradys went ahead anyway and as soon as the thugs found out, cops with head wounds started showing up.

18 posted on 01/30/2013 2:03:48 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: neverdem

Reading out of Ted Kennedy’s playbook. Ban any ammo that can go through any bullet proof vest. This would include any rifle ammo and some handgun ammo.


19 posted on 01/30/2013 2:07:54 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

20 posted on 01/30/2013 2:12:40 PM PST by New Perspective (Proud father of a 9 yr old son with Down Syndrome and fighting to keep him off Obama's death panels.)
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To: The Ignorant and Disingenuous Media (not necessarily the author).

The military uses the term “armor piercing” to refer to rounds capable of penetrating armored vehicles.

Then the definition has changed. In the case of small arms, the original definition of "armor piercing" was a cartridge in which the bullet had a core (sometimes referred to as a "penetrator") of some hard metal, such as steel or tungsten, rather than much softer lead. This is what gives the round it's "armor piercing" capability.

Such ammo is both defined, and regulated, under Federal Law [18 U.S.C. 921(17)(B)].

The gun grabbers picked up on this terminology to describe a bullet made of hardened metals that can penetrate a soft body armor vest made of kevlar.

A round does not have to be made of "hardened metals" to penetrate Kevlar soft body armor.

Each level body armor is rated by the National Institute of Justice, for the types of cartridge each should protect against.

NIJ Standard 0101.03, 0101.04:

Level I should protect against .22 LR, and .380 ACP with a muzzle velocity of no more than 1025 ft/sec.

Level IIA will protect against cartridges up to, and including, the 9mm and .40 S&W.

Level II should protect against .357 Magnum, and lesser cartridges.

Level IIIA will protect against .44 Magnum and lesser.

Level III will protect against 7.62x51 Nato (.308 Winchester) and lesser (rifle cartridges).

Level IV will protect against a .30-06 AP round (rifle).

As all can see, of all the levels/classes of body armor, only III and IV are rated to stop a center-fire rifle cartridge.

The reason the others don't, is that they aren't meant to stop those cartridges (it's a trade-off; comfort vs. protection). This does not mean that a particular center-fire rifle cartridge is extraordinarily powerful, simply because it can defeat a particular level of body-armor (I.E. levels I, IIA, II, or III).

Dishonest anti-gun zealots would, essentially, re-define "armor piercing" as "Any cartridge capable of penetrating Level I Kevlar soft-body armor". This, of course, would mean a ban on all center-fire rifle ammunition.

21 posted on 01/30/2013 2:21:01 PM PST by holymoly (Lead is the new gold. Particularly when backed by a charge of smokeless powder.)
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To: neverdem

Not stupid. Tactical.

Hopefully the peace officers will stand up with us again to stop this.


22 posted on 01/30/2013 2:54:36 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: holymoly

I think that’s the plan.


23 posted on 01/30/2013 3:28:02 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Oatka
***They also killed a few cops along the way. ****

I don't believe any cops were killed. I do remember the KTW Teflon coated bullet was never sold to the public. When some turned up on a drug boat it was said they were to pierce the hulls of Coast Guard boats.

Hand Gun Control Inc (now the Brady Center) got wind of it and went off on an immediate tangent making all sorts of magical claims for what they then dubbed the “Cop Killer Bullet!”

I do remember when an Oklahoma salseman was killed wearing one. He told a cop to attack him with a knife. It was then found out the vest will stop a bullet, but not a knife.

24 posted on 01/30/2013 6:34:10 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Oatka

**cops with head wounds started showing up. ***

Woops,I do remember cops getting headshot AFTER the Bradys brayed about the bullet resistant vests.


25 posted on 01/30/2013 6:48:15 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: DH

I didn’t think it was dumb.


26 posted on 01/31/2013 12:43:20 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: UCANSEE2

Is she their girlfriend or sister?


27 posted on 01/31/2013 12:48:02 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Robert357

Thanks for the lesson. I’d not heard the story behind the ban. I do miss cheap Chinese ammo.


28 posted on 01/31/2013 1:04:14 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
I do miss cheap Chinese ammo.

Look on the bright side. The Chicom Politburo doesn't have us by the ya-ya on ammo supplies.

29 posted on 01/31/2013 11:03:11 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

LOL. I had them. Low priced, good ammo and they take paper dollars in exchange. That’s heaven.


30 posted on 01/31/2013 11:28:05 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
***They also killed a few cops along the way. ****
I don't believe any cops were killed.

Not by the "cop killer bullets" but by the perps, now knowing about the vests, went for head shots using the regular bullets.

31 posted on 01/31/2013 5:26:26 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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