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The Church Doesn't Need a Revolution
Townhall.com ^ | February 23, 2013 | Kathryn Lopez

Posted on 02/23/2013 6:26:24 AM PST by Kaslin

The pope has renounced the papal throne. Long live the progressive pope! Such are the rallying cries from establishment voices wanting to see the Catholic Church loosen up now that Pope Benedict XVI has decided to step down. But maybe people should listen to the Church's actual views.

Mary Hasson from the Ethics and Public Policy Center has been doing some unique work looking into what Catholic women know and want from their Church. It's scandalous and yet not entirely surprising that she found only 13 percent of Catholic women who occasionally attend Mass accept Church teaching on contraception.

It's not a shock given that the average Catholic Mass goer is not exactly being taught the theology and even practicality of the Catholic teaching on sexual morality. Catholics all too often see Church teaching as a litany of "No"s when, in fact, it is all about "Yes." Yes to human dignity and happiness. Yes to the respect for one another that comes from truly believing you are made in the image and likeness of God.

"On the one hand, the number is small, no question," Hasson acknowledges. "That 13 percent includes not only weekly churchgoers but also women who attend less regularly, perhaps a few times a year. However, if we look only at women who attend Mass weekly, the percentage accepting the Church's teaching on contraception goes up, doubling (to 27 percent) among young women ages 18-34. That's a sign of hope -- in spite of decades of dissenting theologians, silence from the parish pulpit and distorted cultural messages about sex, these women have heard the Church's teaching and embraced it. These women form a solid core of faithful Catholics who can attest to the personal benefits of following the Church's teaching on sexuality and family planning."

And despite the current conversation about women, contraception and religious liberty that's overtaken the government's federal health-care push, the media coverage has been such that most Americans still don't quite know what all the fuss is about. Some Catholic women have a similar relationship to Church teachings on contraception: 37 percent, in Hasson's findings, were unsure about the specifics.

"The 37 percent seems to confirm the stories that abound of Catholic women who went to Mass every week for years and to confession regularly, but never heard that contraception is wrong. Similarly, how many Catholics have gone through (extensive marriage prep in the Church) by never heard word one about the Church's teaching on sexuality or family planning," she said. "Or perhaps (they) heard some general teachings, and then, with a wink, were told to follow their consciences, with no further guidance about forming their consciences."

A cover story in glossy New York magazine recently dared to question the good of the birth-control pill based on the damage it had wrought on women's lives and bodies. The one institution that proposes a radically different way might just have something to offer the world -- if it only taught it and lived it.

Pope Benedict has been a teacher, first and foremost, reintroducing a proposal that Christ himself offered. Men and women living in service for love of God are good to have around. Enough with the campaign for less Catholicism in the Catholic Church. How about a welcome mat for a good and faithful shepherd who, with confidence and humility, speaks with clarity about the teachings of the Catholic Church, "proposing the good news of Jesus Christ to a disenchanted world," as George Weigel puts it in his book "Evangelical Catholicism."

The disenchanted are everywhere, even in the pews. And they want to be fed, they want to be engaged, they want to be transformed. They don't want more of the same misery omnipresent in the secular world. The world doesn't need a Gospel of misery but of hope. The Church has it, and we should expect the next pope to teach on, infused with a generous and contagious spirit of engagement.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: christianity; church; faithandfamily; freedomofreligion

1 posted on 02/23/2013 6:26:29 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Elephant? What elephant? I see no elephant in this room.


2 posted on 02/23/2013 6:37:07 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Kaslin

Since the pope is quitting because the clergy has been taken over by homosexuals I don’t see how a progressive pope will make a difference. They’re already in the forefront of the progressive movement.


3 posted on 02/23/2013 6:40:03 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Kaslin

Is anyone inside Islam calling for reform?

Is the media calling for reform of Islam?


4 posted on 02/23/2013 6:42:51 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: shalom aleichem
Bing .. frikkin' .. O !!

Every element and aspect of life ... modern life ... is pressured to change, reform and re-new ... except the sand monkey muzzies.

Yo PEOPLE ... how frikkin' blind ARE you ??!!??

5 posted on 02/23/2013 6:47:13 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Kaslin

Each person is responsible to God for relationship with Christ, matters not what your particular organized religion says to you.

It`s your responsibility to make sure you have asked Jesus into your life, to turn from sins, and to ask Jesus forgiveness if/when we do sin.

If a particular Church tells you at some point that it`s OK to start aborting God`s unborn children etc, that is not going to give you a pass because the hierarchy said it was OK

Speaking as someone who has left organized religion, but has a daily personal walk with Jesus, I can only encourage others to do the same.

There is no gray areas, when it comes to social issues, under no circumstances can we approve of taking any unborn child’s life, Jesus and the Bible covered all this, homosexuality is a abomination etc

Giving mere mortals improper titles such as Reverend,Your eminence, The Holy Father etc etc

There is only 1 Holy Father and that is The Lord Jesus Christ


6 posted on 02/23/2013 6:50:33 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Kaslin
The pope has renounced the papal throne.

Wouldn't the correct terminology be that he "resigned" the papal throne?

7 posted on 02/23/2013 6:58:37 AM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: aimhigh

Wouldn’t the correct terminology be “was pushed from it after it came out that he personally covered up decades of child abuse when he was the man responsible for investigating those crimes and then used the insider knowledge he had of the criminals to blackmail them into election him pope”


8 posted on 02/23/2013 7:04:28 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Friendofgeorge

I have been in such a quandry over whether the Catholic Church = the Vatican. That is, should I consider all the failings of the Pope and the Vatican as a reason to reject the Catholic church due to its imperfect leadership? Similarly, I come to the same question about my country: America = America’s Govt. All the failings, improprieties and illegalities perpetrated by my Govt. means my country sucks, too??? What do we do to bring it back to where it’s supposed to be? Walk away like you did because there is no way to change the Church from within? Walk away from my country because of the same reason?


9 posted on 02/23/2013 7:54:15 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

When you have Catholics openly voting for pro abortion politicians/presidents etc, Catholics etc openly saying they support gay marriage abortion etc

When you have other so called Christian denominations, marrying homosexuals, ordaining Homosexuals etc

We have to choose at some point, are you with The Lord or not, people will have to ask themselves these questions, especially when they start to talk of moderation because of the times we live in etc.

There are many many Christian Churches, non denominational,many Pentecostal Churches the list is long, one does not have to continue with Churches that are not 150% Bible based.

If you walk in to a truly Christian Church,you will find ZERO pro choice members, you will find ZERO members that support any type of anti Christian non Biblical views.

You will find zero members that would even consider to vote Democrat

People will need to shake the dust off their boots and say...I AM WITH THE LORD JESUS

The selection for the next Pope will be the same as a political party picking a leader, no different


10 posted on 02/23/2013 8:17:55 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: saganite
The Pope isn't quitting.

Compare with a CEO who had lost sight in one eye, hearing in one ear, had his clothes altered multiple times because he had lost so much weight.

Please get the facts before you slander the Pope and the Catholic Church. He is ill.

The Reason Benedict Resigned [Catholic Caucus]
At B16's Window, A Big "Thank You"... While Behind the Walls, The "Showcase" Begins
Prayers for Our Holy Father Benedict XVI and the Papal Conclave
Pope still extremely Catholic (A look at how media cover Catholicism [and the Pope])
Conclave to silence at least nine tweeting cardinals
Pope Benedict's resignation and the mystery of the missing encyclical
Benedict, Dawkins, and the Fullness of Reason
Benedict XVI: Vatican II as I saw it
Benedict’s renunciation and the wolves within the church
The Left Lobbies for a Liberal Successor to Benedict (and here is why)

Pope Benedict's Future Residence
SCOTT HAHN: Pope Benedict had a profound effect on this former Presbyterian minister
Is the Next Pope the One From John Bosco’s Dream? (Patrick Madrid offers an intriguing twist)
"Re-Elect Pope Benedict" - “Eight more years!”
Who can be elected pope?
The Legacy of Pope Benedict XVI: A commentary by Fr. Barron
More details on papal resignation, conclave (Vatican Press Office)
Church doesn't bend, but endures
Who Will Take Up the Keys of Peter (This is a MUST READ!)
Conclave & The Media: The Silly Season

Cardinal Bertone's Farewell Address to the Holy Father
"Thank You – Let Us Return to Prayer": For the Last Time, The Pope Leaves the Altar
"Today, We Begin A New Journey" – Liturgically Speaking, B16's Last Word
Vatican releases schedule for Pope's final days
Benedict XVI: Reason’s Revolutionary
Some Interesting Tidbits From Today’s Vatican press conference
Pope Decided to Resign After Cuba Trip, Vatican Advisor Says
Pope Says He's Resigning for the 'Good of Church'
Watch for the Anti-Catholics To Weigh in on the Papal Succession
The challenge Pope Benedict has left for his successor—and for ordinary Catholics

Historian Notes Precedents for Papal Resignation
US Will Have Unprecedented Voice In Electing New Pope
Pope Benedict’s Resignation and St. Corbinian’s Bear
Pope Benedict XVI’s Musical Legacy
Benedict announces resignation and lightning strikes
DHS's curiosity piqued over Pope Benedict XVI's retirement and Catholic Prophecy
Prayers for Pope Benedict XVI
Pope Benedict's Devotion to Saint Celestine Signaled His Resignation from the Papacy
Cardinal Sodano to Pope Benedict: “We have heard you with a sense of loss and almost disbelief”
Pope's resignation invokes sadness, gratitude from US bishops

Pope cites waning strength as reason for resignation
Report: Brother Says Pope Was Considering Resignation for Months
Some Notes About the Upcoming Conclave
An Evangelical Looks at Pope Benedict XVI
Pope Benedict’s Resignation in Historical Context
Virtually unprecedented: papal resignation throughout history
Pope Benedict XVI:a papal timeline
"I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome" [Full Text]
Pope Benedict's Address on Resignation of the See of Rome
POPE BENEDICT XVI WILL RESIGN AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, VATICAN PRESS OFFICE TELLS FOX NEWS

11 posted on 02/23/2013 8:41:15 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: aimhigh

The actual terminology in the letter in one of those links is required.


12 posted on 02/23/2013 8:42:43 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Sioux-san

You are confusing impeccability with infallibility. Popes are humans and can sin — they are not impeccable.

But when they decree a dogma/or the magesterium does in matters of faith and morals — the decisions are always guided by the Holy Spiriit and become infalliable.


13 posted on 02/23/2013 8:44:58 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: saganite
Infallibility
Papal Infallibility: A Symbolic, Yet Problematic, Term
Essays for Lent: Papal Infallibility
Did Martin Luther Act Infallibly in Defining What Books Belong in the Bible?
Radio Replies Second Volume - Infallibility
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Infallibility: The Magisterium
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Truth Handling: Infallibility
Radio Replies First Volume - Infallibility

Infallible Infallibility
Docility (on Catholic dogma and infallibility)
Beginning Catholic: Infallibility: Keeping the Faith [Ecumenical]
Papal Infallibility [Ecumenical]
Peter & Succession (Understanding the Church Today)
Pope: may all Christians recognize true meaning of Peter’s primacy
THE PRIMACY OF THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER IN THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH
Pope St. Leo the Great and the Petrine Primacy
The Epiphany of the Roman Primacy
THE PRIMACY OF THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER IN THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH [Ratzinger]

14 posted on 02/23/2013 8:46:23 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Friendofgeorge

“If you walk in to a truly Christian Church,you will find ZERO pro choice members, you will find ZERO members that support any type of anti Christian non Biblical views”

I would add - and No one would have voted for Obama in that church - agree with you 100% on the above statement and everything else you wrote. If you want to go somewhere where liberal points of view prevail, be a Unitarian or an Episcopalian- they don’t believe in anything — this is War and that’s how we need to look at it -For both Christianity and our country.


15 posted on 02/23/2013 8:53:07 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

**ZERO**

The word ‘zero’ is like the word ‘never’. It makes you a liar because it makes that statement unbelievable.

We are all sinners. Repenet and believe in the Gospel.


16 posted on 02/23/2013 8:58:19 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

A liar, huh - that’s a bit harsh, don’t you think. The more I read your words, it sounds like you either misunderstood me or I am sure misunderstanding you.

The original commenter was talking about what a Bible-believing church would look like - there would be no one there in support of Abortion and they wouldn’t be cherry-picking the Bible for what works today and what should be scrapped. Such churches used to be the norm.

Peace be with you.


17 posted on 02/23/2013 11:28:36 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Salvation

He is in fact quitting because of the report he received on the homosexual takeover of the priesthood. Anything else you hear is a smokescreen.


18 posted on 02/23/2013 12:26:31 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

Good grief!! Didn’t you read any of those links I posted about Pope Benedict XVI?

Or do you just hate Catholics and the Catholic Church?

Or do you have some insider information here? Care to share it?

Pope Benedict is ill. I suspect that he may die within six months. Then what will you say?


19 posted on 02/23/2013 1:20:15 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Oops.

Repent and believe in the Gospel.


20 posted on 02/23/2013 1:21:38 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Friendofgeorge
Speaking as someone who has left organized religion, but has a daily personal walk with Jesus, I can only encourage others to do the same.

May I suggest that you read Why We Love The Church by Kevin DeYoung and Ted Kluck?

There is only 1 Holy Father and that is The Lord Jesus Christ

I think that you mean that God the Father is the Holy Father. Jesus Christ is his only begotten Son.

21 posted on 02/23/2013 1:50:57 PM PST by The Grammarian
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To: Salvation

I will say that he’s an old man and everyone dies eventually. As for the rot in the priesthood, here you go.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/pope-resignation-linked-gay-conclave-report-article-1.1271328#ixzz2LjP0my1x

http://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Good-Men-Liberals-Corruption/dp/0895261448

http://www.culturewars.com/2002/may02_ggm.html


22 posted on 02/23/2013 2:03:35 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Sioux-san; Friendofgeorge
I think Jesus answered that question rather succinctly.

Revelation 18:4 "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;

23 posted on 02/23/2013 5:07:52 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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To: Sioux-san; Friendofgeorge
I think Jesus answered that question rather succinctly.

Revelation 18:4 "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;

24 posted on 02/23/2013 5:07:52 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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To: CynicalBear

Amen, Brother/Sister!


25 posted on 02/23/2013 6:14:50 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: CynicalBear

Very good! Also a number of other Scriptures could also apply.

I know some Churches in Canada, walked away from real estate to stand for the truth, perhaps United Church, might have been Anglican, was over the whole homosexuality thing


26 posted on 02/23/2013 8:11:42 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: CynicalBear
More odd views of a poster who claims that Catholics are idolaters, that those who celebrate Easter and Christmas are pagans and that claims that the idea of church on Sunday is a man made tradition and apparently not either Christian or Biblical.

In fact this poster claims ALL organized religions are wrong and that even venerating a simple Cross is pagan. Given that this is the point of view from which he views the world, why should anyone pay attention to his odd, often incomplete and often misread cut-n-pastes?

Some quotes and links as CB now tries to say he didn't say what he said:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2708561/posts?page=29#29

Let the pagans have it. God doesn’t smile down on people who celebrate Easter.

All of the Lent and Easter abomination is pagan and God clearly condemned it in scripture.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-religion/2686288/replies?c=6

27 posted on 02/23/2013 8:16:05 PM PST by narses
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To: The Grammarian

I could give you a number of Scriptures, many that show that Jesus is in fact God the Father, but not sure if it would be of any benefit to debate...Semantics even

John Chapter 1 from vs 1 for starters...In the beginning was the Word (Notice the caps on Word) and the Word was with God and the Word was God

The Word became flesh and dwelt among us...Jesus is the Word

Jesus said...those who have seen me have seen the Father, I and my father are one

In old and new Testament , Jesus is referred to as the prince of peace, the everlasting Father , King of Kings, The Great I Am etc etc

Yes I believe in John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life...basically the Gospel in the nutshell


28 posted on 02/23/2013 8:29:11 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: The Grammarian

When I posted...that there was only One Holy Father and that is The Lord Jesus Christ...I could have just as easily said there is only 1 Holy Father and that is The Lord God

But anyway was just doing my evening quiet time as I hit the bed, so I skipped to find the Scripture I was thinking of, I could have chosen one of many, but here is the main one I was thinking of

From Isaiah 9 vs 6 , He was speaking of Jesus

For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government will be upon his shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful,Counselor,Mighty God,Everlasting Father,Prince of Peace

Time for bed :)


29 posted on 02/23/2013 9:13:17 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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30 posted on 02/24/2013 10:20:15 AM PST by narses
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31 posted on 02/24/2013 10:20:54 AM PST by narses
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32 posted on 02/24/2013 10:21:52 AM PST by narses
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To: aimhigh

Correct terminology is neither “renounced” or “resigned”, but abdicated.


33 posted on 02/24/2013 12:52:20 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Friendofgeorge
I could give you a number of Scriptures, many that show that Jesus is in fact God the Father, but not sure if it would be of any benefit to debate...Semantics even

If the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is "semantics," then I'm not sure what the core beliefs of Christian doctrine are, in your estimation. What you're describing here sounds a lot like Sabellianism, also called Modalism and Patripassianism--a heresy condemned by the vast majority of Christianity since it appeared in the second or third century.

If Jesus, the Son of God, is God the Father, then why does Paul so often greet his audience in the Pauline Epistles with "Grace and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ"?

John Chapter 1 from vs 1 for starters...In the beginning was the Word (Notice the caps on Word) and the Word was with God and the Word was God

The capitalization of the word "Logos" is not present in the original Greek. You are correct though, that Jesus is the Word, and that the Word was with God, and the Word was God from the beginning. That does not mean that God the Son is God the Father.

As for Isaiah 9:6, Matthew Henry's Commentary on the passage makes the note that in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Tanakh), Jesus is the "Father of the world to come."

"He is the everlasting Father, or the Father of eternity; he is God, one with the Father, who is from everlasting to everlasting. He is the author of everlasting life and happiness to them, and so is the Father of a blessed eternity to them. He is the Father of the world to come (so the Septuagint reads it), the father of the gospel-state, which is put in subjection to him, not to the angels, Heb. 2:5 . He was, from eternity, Father of the great work of redemption: his heart was upon it; it was the product of his wisdom as the counsellor, of his love as the everlasting Father."

34 posted on 02/24/2013 1:02:36 PM PST by The Grammarian
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