Posted on 05/03/2013 8:46:31 AM PDT by pinochet
Some philosophers have promoted the idea that it is impossible for human beings to invent new sins. Any "new" sin that may seem shocking to you, is a sin that was practiced in ancient civilizations that have gone before us. In order for a nation or civilization to be strong, families must be strong. When families die, civilizations die along with them. I refer you to this quote from this website http://constitutionschool.com/2012/09/27/first-time-ever-majority-of-american-households-unmarried/
"For the first time, households made up of married couples with and without children dropped below 50 percent of all households, Jacobsen noted. At the peak in 1960, married couples represented 75 percent of all households."
The first great civilization to collapse was Babylon. When Babylon was at its strongest, the empire was known for strong morals and strong families, as reflected in the Code of Hammurabi, which dates to 1772 BC. Centuries later, family bonds collapsed, and Babylon became famous for sexual orgies and gay relationships. The Roman Republic and Empire passed through the same phase, starting as a strong pro-family civilization, and ending up as an empire of sexual orgies that had openly gay emperors like Caligula and Nero.
Now it is America's turn. It is too bad that America may not last over 1000 years like the Babylonian or Roman Empires.
So I ask, why should I defend the parasite society they want, whether they are the poor or the rich? I know the parasites won't defend their country. There is definitely a moral component that allows parasites to steal from “others” and drives “others” to resent carrying the load for the parasites, but did technology bring this about?
Perhaps education is part of the problem as well that we think we are so much smarter than we are. I'm certainly not against education but we seem to have extracted all of the arrogance from it and not developed the wisdom required to use what we know for the better and not the worse. The elitist that want to run everything certainly lack wisdom. Pride cometh before the fall?
These are all things to ponder but personally, I think we may be doomed though we may be able to purchase a temporary reprieve.
While I mostly agree with you on immigration, that problem largely stems from abortion. We have murdered 50 million of our own countrymen and they must be replaced with someone.
Read up on _birth_ratios_ and see that USA has fallen _well_ below the minimum sustainability level of 2.2 (or what it is [not looking it up right now]).
They are intertwined...
Fall of the Roman REPUBLIC vs. the Roman EMPIRE.....
Just because the United States Republic has crapped out doesn’t mean the Empire won’t last another 200 years before it goes kablooey...
Of course with Empire comes a totalitarian police state, etc etc.... so yeah a whole lot of fun there...
Freedom is not free and at this point in American it is going to be VERY VERY costly to get it back, if we can get it back.
It costs a buck oh five.
The USA Republic has already fallen between 1933-2016, starting in 1933 with FDR, but the first cracks were the “Progressive Amendments” and there has been some upswings here and there like Reagan and Eisenhower and some areas of Stasis like GHWB and GWB, and declines like Rosevelt, Johnson, Carter, Clintoon and Obama.
We are now the “American Empire” and Empires usually take a LOT longer to fall than republics because there is a stranglehold onthe power by the elite much more so than the fragile construct that is a republic...
The first thing to crack a republic inthe populace and politican figuring out how to buy votes and power with the handing out of government monies....
The Era of the Republic ran from 1792-1860, then 1868-1900
With the civil war being a breif respite in it as we were under cetral control for a while and ending with the Progressive era of crap.
I wann Free STUFF, Not Free DUMB!!!
Sorry, wasn’t clear enough.
The Neo-Babylonian Empire, the one you’re thinking about, lasted less than a century all told, starting with successful rebellion against Assyria and ending with conquest by the Medes and Persians.
But the post I was replying to referred not to the Neo-Babylonian Empire but to “the Babylonian civilization.” That “civilization,” by any reasonable standard, started long before the Neo-Babylonian Empire and lasted long after it. In fact, the author of the quote referenced Hammurabi of the first Babylonian Empire, indicating he wasn’t just talking about the Neos.
The Neo-Babylonian Empire was just one of the many states that gained temporary control of that civilization. It was followed by the Persians, Macedonians, Parthians, Romans (partially and temporarily), Sassanid Persians and Arab Muslims. Other groups had their temporary and/or partial perioids of control.
But the area was a continuous hub of civilization, and arguably a single though changing civilization, from at least 4000 BC to around 1200 AD, when the Mongols rolled through and destroyed it. So far forever.
I think you are close and want to add the 1964 Civil Rights Act execution as the bullet in the head. I think our obituary can be written now and the historians will begin explaining it before Nov 2016 gets here.
I think you are close and want to add the 1964 Civil Rights Act execution as the bullet in the head. I think our obituary can be written now and the historians will begin explaining it before Nov 2016 gets here.
I think the 1965 Immigration bill is the bullet to the head...
I don't know...let's have a birds-eye look at America from the next Space Shuttle flight.
Oops....
The paradigm shift accelerant is 'communication'.
A civilization or state cannot last without those willing to die for it.
You can always find people willing to kill for you, but those willing to die are a lot tougher. As in USSR c. 1990. Lots of careerist thugs. Zero true believers. The commies used to have many true believers, but they were all gone (at least in USSR) by its end.
Which is something we should think about re: Islamism. For all its (many) faults, Islam and Islamism does seen the inspire people to be willing to die for it.
How long can a society whose members are not willing to die for it contend with a society whose members are willing to die?
“the United Staes will collapse like Rome when a big volcano or comet screws up the weather ~ but we’ll be back in a decade since our technology is simply not going to need 1000 years to recover! “
An EMP device detonated 400 miles above Kansas would send the US into the stone age, instantly and for years if not decades. Our relevance, our power (outside a nuclear revenge strike) and our history and technology would be over for a long time and we might NOT recover.
It’s Welcome to Mad Max Behond Thunderdome baby!!!!
Leather, shotguns, bare shoulders, and monster trucks will rule the desolation and ruins...
Thanks, good historical stuff. You are right, I was thinking of the Neo.
This could drag on for anther 100 years but somehow I don’t think that is likely in the information age.
Just as mass-communication has led to to a far more rapid abandonment of the foundation of any sustainable civilization, I suspect the fall will come much sooner too.
At worst we get tossed back to 1900 ~ and electricity will be back on line quicker than snot. Just rebuild the generators and transformers. The other stuff ~ consumer electronics and appliances ~ they’ll take a while longer, but it won’t be stone age.
“America is too young a civilization, to be showing the signs of moral and cultural decadence that are associated with very old civilizations. An American Nero like Obama has arrived about 1000 years too early.”
Welcome to the age of mass-media and mass commutations which have enabled liberals over the last 100+ years to do 500 years worth of moral and political decay.
Other older civilizations lasted longer in part because the spread of theses corruptly dysfunctional concepts was slower and therefore more prone to dying of dysfunction before reaching the greater population.
Today it only takes a few generations, and the separation of children from their grandparents in nuclear families & public school for it all to be accomplished.
In its current state, it’s days are numbered.
In the restored republic we will rise again...not to world domination.
I truly hope you are right. My information is from publications in the mid 2000s, and “One Secondn After” which I am in the middle of.
Evidently the US doesn’t produce transformers, so much of our recovery of the grid would be foreign equipment, and the timeframe was “years to decades” with isolated areas of power where possible.
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