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Guardian makes splash in US with security scoops
The Associated Press ^ | June 7, 2013 | Gregory Katz

Posted on 06/08/2013 12:51:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

LONDON--Before this week, the Guardian newspaper's gradual move into the U.S. — hiring dozens of employees in the last two years — hadn't produced much of a splash in terms of scoops.

In the last three days that has changed.

The newspaper, which started publishing in the English city of Manchester in 1821 and is now based in London, has established a significant presence in Washington by uncovering the vast scope of secret surveillance operations carried out by U.S. officials at the National Security Agency.....

(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: guardian; liberalmedia; msm; nsa; obama; obamaspeople; scandals; terrorism; threatmatrix; wiretapping
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To: expat1000

Oh, goodness no. Anonymity on the internet is a pipe dream and anyone who thinks they can remain anonymous is very naive. I would say that FR is under more scrutiny than most realize so sometimes it is better to tread softly but wear steeltoed shoes.


21 posted on 06/08/2013 2:24:04 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Why do we have to rely on mostly left-wing British newspapers to find out what Mr. Obama is up to? “

The American press has a sense of ownership and buy-in on the Obama administration. Obama is literally their creation. Even if a reporter found the story (it would have to hunt down the reporter and show him a body in the trunk)and he wrote it, the editor would recognize the damage it would do to the liberal agenda and kill it.

As an example of how agenda editing works, I was writing business puff pieces for my local paper, “The Tallahassee Democrat.” (Until I got the job, I actually thought it was the Democratic Party’s newspaper.) The business owner would pay the paper to have me write the piece. I always looked for an interesting angle and made the article as informative and useful as possible. Many times the editor, a Subaru-driving former hippy, would edit out the most useful and informative bits. After a particularly egregious editing I asked her why she’d taken the material out. Wafting her hand and with a sneer she said, “Oh, it was just too pro-business.”


22 posted on 06/08/2013 2:27:29 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: TexGrill

Fox stayed high during Bush and msnbc never had better numbers than shortly after they openly went propaganda. Don’t imagine that would change much. Mostly because Fox is an equal opp basher. Which they should be. The media should challenge our gov, keep them honest.


23 posted on 06/08/2013 2:32:32 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: MestaMachine
"Oh, goodness no. Anonymity on the internet is a pipe dream and anyone who thinks they can remain anonymous is very naive."

Yep, especially if you pay for an internet connection.

BUT one can use the Internet a be anonymous but the commitment to do so is akin to a wanted felon trying to stay off the grid.

It would require constant travel and constant switching to new laptops/tablets that are bought used and not registered while avoiding surveillance cameras (while using public wifi which more and more have cameras trained on the reception area) and any use of any form of payment that can be tracked to your name. IOW nearly impossible.

24 posted on 06/08/2013 2:34:32 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

You raise a valid point, but I still stand behind my opinion that if Palin or Cruz get elected to the White House, MSNBC will blast them and I think it will boost their ratings. But they won’t enjoy a ratings boost until after the November 2016 elections.


25 posted on 06/08/2013 2:35:00 AM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t it funny that a British paper is helping destroy our “King George?”


26 posted on 06/08/2013 3:02:19 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: MestaMachine

Sorrt about that. But it doesn’t matter in any form, shape or way - the relevant ppl know all about you anyhow, and about me too - which is why my identity is mostly perfectly open these days. Oh, there is a slim shady who’s in strange places, but the real me is right here.


27 posted on 06/08/2013 3:28:14 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Mad Dawgg

Possible, but hugely expensive to practice.


28 posted on 06/08/2013 3:29:25 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: DannyTN

Only to point this out, because most have missed this....the timing is awful odd.

The Guardian is not a conservative or independent-thinking newspaper.

There are three Obama episodes lined up one after another and for this year....all three are major episodes. First, the meeting out in Palm Springs with the Chinese Premier, where cyber warfare was going to be the number one topic. Now? The Chinese Premier can laugh off this conversation and the President looks like an idiot.

Second, the G8 Summit in Northern Ireland. It would have given the President great opportunity to speak. Now? Several of the guests are going to ask about privacy of data and calls. He can’t clearly answer it, and looks fake with his memorized piece of response.

Third, he lands in Germany to give a grand speech in Berlin. There was to be a interview chance by German reporters. I doubt this occurs, and some protesters will show signs asking about the NSA thing at the speech.

The timing of the Guardian article? All suspect. Someone (Mossad, the Chinese, the KGB, some hostile NSA guys, someone from the Tea Party, etc)....has dumped this info to the Guardian. This entire two week period is screwed. The President’s one chance to escape the media and do overseas travel to look good. Total failure on that plan.

So don’t get all peppy about the good that newspapers do from overseas. It was planned and timed this way.


29 posted on 06/08/2013 3:42:05 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Hardraade
"Possible, but hugely expensive to practice."

Even if you have unlimited funds staying anon is becoming nearly impossible even without the complications of net surfing.

Its not really practical to travel with large sums of cash because the LEOs can confiscate it for no better reason then because they want to.(not to mention the risked of getting robbed by the amateur criminals rather than the pros in the Gub'ment LEO agencies.) So if you keep it in a bank, anyplace you go to withdraw cash will have a camera and more and more they are hooked to a system that has facial recognition software.

And once you get clocked into that system then if you go to surf on a public wifi more and more of these areas are peppered with surveillance cameras and of course most now are hooked to a computer system. NSA can poke around a bit and bang there is anonbob sitting with his laptop at the local coffee shop surfing the net. A little process of elimination of others logged onto the same node and well ANON no more.

Big Brother is real.

30 posted on 06/08/2013 3:47:41 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why do we have to rely on mostly left-wing British newspapers to find out what Mr. Obama is up to?

Because our left-wing American newspapers are Democratic Party organs.

31 posted on 06/08/2013 3:57:58 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They may be left wing, but they recognize that the refusal of the left wing media in this country to criticize obama has created an opportunity for them to make money.


32 posted on 06/08/2013 3:58:34 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

33 posted on 06/08/2013 4:18:16 AM PDT by mirkwood
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To: DannyTN

Brits enjoy tweaking our noses too. Don’t underestimate that.


34 posted on 06/08/2013 4:38:33 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: MestaMachine

Recall the words of Adm. James Stockdale, who spent seven+ years “checked-in” at the Hanoi Hilton:

“This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.”


35 posted on 06/08/2013 4:42:09 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TexGrill
You make more cash in journalism criticizing and reporting bad news than with acting as a propagandist.

You confirmed what I already realized. Any one of the leftie rags or broadcasts could increase their audience overnight by doing just one expose of Obama. It could be a narrow one at that. For instance, they could just nibble at the facts of what Obama did as Harvard Law editor (exact names escapes me).

IOW, to break a scandal, near-scandal, trashy story or whatever of the President of the United States has got to be worthy of "top of the fold" for a couple of days at least. For the fact that the entire media establishment refuses to even whisper a bad word of Obama speaks volumes.

The opportunity is ripe for the UK papers to have a field day.

36 posted on 06/08/2013 4:43:46 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: TexGrill
. Right now, I’m like the retreating Russians fighting Napoleon’s army. I might be retreating at the moment but it doesn’t mean I’m not going to launch a counter attack just at the right moment.

General Sam Houston?! Is that you?!!

;-)

37 posted on 06/08/2013 4:45:00 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Mad Dawgg

Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor...


38 posted on 06/08/2013 4:46:36 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MestaMachine

Distribute multiple copies by snail mail with applicable instructions on what to do with it should something happen. Multiple means MULTIPLE.


39 posted on 06/08/2013 4:52:46 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: MestaMachine

Glenn Greenwald, Guardian reporter who broke the Verizon/NSA story, says US media outlets had the story, but were bullied into NOT covering it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/06/07/pmt-guardian-greenwald-nsa-prism-program.cnn.html


40 posted on 06/08/2013 5:19:36 AM PDT by La Lydia
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