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Several counties want to secede from Colorado
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Posted on 06/09/2013 9:34:27 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Several counties want to secede from Colorado

The counties in Colorado that say they want to leave the state / KCNC-TV

Several Colorado counties that strongly oppose increased regulation of the oil and gas industry say they want to form their own state.

They are planning on calling it North Colorado or Northern Colorado, reports CBS affiliate KCNC in Denver.

The counties are frustrated with the new agricultural and energy bills that have recently been signed into law.

"We really feel in northern and northeastern Colorado that we are ignored -- citizens' concerns are ignored, and we truly feel disenfranchised," Weld County Commissioner Sean Conway said.

Conway said the new laws don't support the interests of the northern part of the state, which is rich in agricultural history. Conway said that's why he and others are proposing to break away from Colorado to form a new state.

"This is not a stunt. This is a very serious deliberative discussion that's going on," he said. "There's a real feeling that a lot of folks who come from the urban areas don't appreciate the contribution that many Coloradans contribute."

Parts of Nebraska are also apparently interested in joining in on what would be a new state.

Conway says five of the current 50 states were created through a similar process. He says the proposal is "likely" to end up on a Colorado ballot this fall.

"The whole purpose of doing this is to preserve an agricultural way of life and to protect the energy sector, that we feel is very much under assault," Conway said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado; US: Nebraska
KEYWORDS: colorado; nebraska
Don't blame them......
1 posted on 06/09/2013 9:34:27 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
I think it would be great if we elected a president who pledged to make America energy independent and ordered the states to determine their needs and use their natural resources to achieve that end.

States that refuse to utilize what is at their disposal should have to pay a substantial tax in imported fuels and materials.

2 posted on 06/09/2013 9:39:16 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep one hand on my shoulder and the other over my mouth.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Ain’t gonna happen. What it will do is increase the awareness of the lo-info types. I’m from Jefferson(Calif).


3 posted on 06/09/2013 9:39:20 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Just a few more and Obama’s number state visits will have been right on target.

I’d want to secede too with the pedophile-enabler in the House, and the gun-grabber in the governorship.


4 posted on 06/09/2013 9:40:33 AM PDT by Viennacon (Universalist Unitarian Church - It's like the DNC, except with more booing of God)
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To: Sub-Driver

Won’t happen. If they were given some green-light....there at least fifteen other regions in the US that would demand the same right. The logic against it will be the Senate count. No one wants to mess with the mythical balance that we have currently. Even allowing the talk over Puerto Rico...is giving folks nervous feelings. Talk up Guam next?


5 posted on 06/09/2013 9:40:49 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Sub-Driver
A majority of the state Sheriffs have sued the state to be heard about an unenforceable state gun law. The socialists would rather give $2B to illegal aliens than support the state school system. The Kalifornication of Colorado is well on the way.
6 posted on 06/09/2013 9:41:42 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Baynative
>"I think it would be great if we elected a president who pledged to make America energy independent"

They pretty much all have "pledged". The furniture in our govt buildings are nice and shiny.

Hey it's still the finest form of representative govt that Saudi oil money can buy!

7 posted on 06/09/2013 9:44:57 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Sub-Driver
In the late 1930s and early 1940s, northern California and southern Oregon almost seceded from the rest of their respective states, in order to form the new state of Jefferson. Only the sudden intervention of WWII broke the secessionist momentum.

Going back a bit further, in 1861, east Tennessee almost seceded from the rest of the state when Tennessee joined the Confederacy. (Most east Tennesseans were pro-Union, whereas most west Tennesseans were pro-Confederacy, and a slight majority of middle Tennesseans were pro-Confederacy also.) In fact, the western portion of Virginia did secede from the rest of the state, thereby forming the new state of West Virginia. So this hardly seems like a jaw-dropping idea...

8 posted on 06/09/2013 9:46:59 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: mountainlion
The socialists would rather give $2B to illegal aliens than support the state school system.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Solution: Abolish compulsory socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling ( misnamed “Public Schooling”)

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE see the Yuri Besmenov tapes. Our nation has already been “demoralized” and is ripe for “destablization”. Government compulsory schooling has been a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR player in this demoralization.

The very source of our liberal/Marxist created problems stem from having compulsory, single-payer, godless, and socialist-entitlement schooling.

Our nation's children have been attending progressive single-payer, compulsory, and socialist-entitlement schooling since the mid-1800s to early 1900s. It only took one to three generations of this indoctrination to give the nation Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Progressives since th 1800s have **always** controlled teacher training and curriculum development. They have always been pushing at the edges of society's moral toleration. They have **always** been sympathetic to centralized government control of the lives of citizens. They welcomed communism and are joined at the hip with Marxism and Marxists.

9 posted on 06/09/2013 9:50:00 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Sub-Driver

While I like the idea, as long as the Dems control the State, it will never happen. The Dems know that state will be conservative and they dont want another state that will vote against their agenda.


10 posted on 06/09/2013 9:51:03 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: pepsionice

Can you imagine if this happened? Many liberals in Alabama could say feel disenfranchised. It would be a mess!


11 posted on 06/09/2013 9:53:58 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hmmm...thinking about the two counties here in Jersey where I live and spend most of my time. We could build a nice little border wall, with checkpoints on Rt. I-195 and the Garden State Parkway exits...


12 posted on 06/09/2013 10:21:53 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Wow. If they could pull that off sans kolorado’s approval, maybe kommiefornia could do likewise. I’d love to see northern kal (viz. the Sierras) become their own state that supports the 2nd Amendment and has reasonable taxes.


13 posted on 06/09/2013 10:21:58 AM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Not only won’t it happen, it can’t happen - the Constitution prohibits carving a new state out of another state. A constitutional amendment would have to happen first, and it won’t.


14 posted on 06/09/2013 10:34:09 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: LouAvul
Wow, instant new representatives to the TEA PARTY. 2 conservative senators and one conservative congress critter.

Aint noboby got time for that!

In DC on either side of the aisle.

15 posted on 06/09/2013 10:35:06 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: JimRed

Anything below Trenton...........


16 posted on 06/09/2013 10:37:41 AM PDT by Sub-Driver (Proud member of the Republican wing of the Republican Party)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Sub-Driver.


17 posted on 06/09/2013 10:38:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’ll correct my earlier post before someone does it for me - you CAN form a new state within an existing state, or from parts of more than one state, but ONLY of the state legislatures of any involved states approve AND if Congress approves. (Article IV, Section 3) But - again - that is not going to happen.


18 posted on 06/09/2013 10:41:13 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

It only took 14 posts before you came up with the correct answer. Too bad, it is against the Constitution or we would have seen Washington split into two pieces long ago. Washington would benefit from spinning Seattle/Pugetopolis off, (preferably into the Straight of Juan De Fuca!)


19 posted on 06/09/2013 10:43:03 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: LouAvul

Jeff Stone, supervisor of Riverside County, California, is trying to form “South California”. It would include all the southern counties EXCEPT for Los Angeles County. We all know it won’t happen though, and everyone on both sides of the debate knows why.


20 posted on 06/09/2013 10:47:30 AM PDT by CPO retired
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To: bigfootbob
"It only took 14 posts before you came up with the correct answer."

Actually it took 18 posts. My first one - based on memory - was wrong. I forgot the final clause which allows subdivision of a state with the approval of the state legislature and Congress.
21 posted on 06/09/2013 10:59:12 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: bigfootbob

Libs make sarcastic comments about wishing they could excise conservative counties from their respective states, but in real life they would never allow it because it would reduce their sphere of influence, and they absolutely do not want that to happen. A conservative state derived from - say - eastern Washington - would presumably create two new conservative senators, diluting liberal power.


22 posted on 06/09/2013 11:04:46 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Sub-Driver
Several counties want to secede from Colorado

Didn't some southern states try that some years back? Didn't turn out too well for them if I recall correctly.

23 posted on 06/09/2013 11:19:13 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: mountainlion
The socialists would rather give $2B to illegal aliens than support the state school system.

I'd vote to fund neither.

24 posted on 06/09/2013 11:23:34 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

The constitution does not prohibit carving a new state out of another state. The constitution says that creating such a state requires the approval of the existing state, and an act of Congress in Washington, to establish such a new state. It’s a tall order to have both of these events happen.

We can think of other states where people might be interested in seeing splits such as this. Upstate New York could split from New York City and environs. Downstate Illinois could split off from Chicago. Just in general, you can imagine the more rural parts of many states wanting to disconnect from the major cities which dominate the legislatures of those states.


25 posted on 06/09/2013 11:33:24 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: wintertime
The socialists would rather give $2B to illegal aliens than support the state school system

The governor has bought the Hispanic vote and expect to stay in office with it. There is little a person can do to stand up for their rights, that’s the way they designed the system.

26 posted on 06/09/2013 11:34:40 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Back in the early 1970s there was a secession movement in western Nebraska to break away and join Wyoming. They felt neglected by the state government. On the other hand, the Cornhuskers were pretty successful in those years so that may have in the end kept them loyal to Nebraska.

If a new state was formed would it have the resources to finance a major university, and a Division I football team?

27 posted on 06/09/2013 11:39:25 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Sub-Driver
Tucsonians wanted to break away from the rest of Arizona. Then people began asking them how South Arizona would support THEIR university, THEIR healthcare system, and THEIR highway patrol, department of public safety and department of economic security? And what would they do about all those illegal Mexicans streaming across the border with their blessing?

Not saying their threat is over, but we haven't a peep from them since those questions were posed.
28 posted on 06/09/2013 12:51:46 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
Most East Tennesseans were pro-Union, whereas most West Tennesseans were pro-Confederacy

Same situation in Kentucky. Scots Irish Appalachian Mountain people vs. the wealthy plantation and river folk to the west. Kentucky (barely) stayed in the Union. The major reason why the Emancipation Proclamation applied only to States in rebellion (the Confederacy). Otherwise it was feared that all the border slave States would swing.

29 posted on 06/09/2013 1:51:29 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: wintertime

Agreed. It would be a beautiful thing if public education was done away with and people’s tax dollars were returned to them to buy into their own educational system of choice. I fear that government would no doubt attempt to control curriculums and that the ACLU would attempt to launch a barrage against individual choice in education.

My children will be attending parochial schools. End of story. Thankfully I’m in a financial position where I can do this, and we have a nice school in the area built under a classical Christian model where children are taught to reason and argue as opposed to filling out worksheets all day.


30 posted on 06/09/2013 1:54:38 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"The constitution does not prohibit carving a new state out of another state. The constitution says that creating such a state requires the approval of the existing state, and an act of Congress in Washington, to establish such a new state. It’s a tall order to have both of these events happen."

I corrected my error on #18. In subsequent posts I speculated that libs - despite their "let them [conservative counties] secede "rhetoric - would have good reason to oppose such a development because it would dilute liberal power in the US Senate.
31 posted on 06/09/2013 2:57:06 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

Good point. There is no way that the Democrats in Washington would want to see a new conservative state with 2 GOP senators carved out of rural Colorado.


32 posted on 06/09/2013 5:40:23 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Steve_Seattle

Tell that to Virginia.


33 posted on 06/09/2013 8:48:16 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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