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Ted Cruz Battles Ingraham Over GOP ‘Civil War,’ Denies Calling Colleagues ‘Surrender Caucus’
Mediaite ^ | July 31st, 2013 | Evan McMurry

Posted on 08/01/2013 9:21:14 AM PDT by Mozilla

After several days of intense intraparty fighting over whether to threaten government shutdown over Obamacare funding, Ted Cruz backed away from some inflammatory rhetoric on Laura Ingraham’s radio show Wednesday afternoon, saying he had never used the term “surrender caucus” and had not “said an ill word about” his fellow legislators.

Ingraham questioned Cruz’s pugnacious strategy of calling out his members, worrying it would lead to a GOP “civil war.”

“If it ends up looking like these cowboys are coming in threatening to shut [the government] down, and they’re calling out people like Tom Coburn, committed legislators,” Ingraham said, “then you’re starting this kind of needless intraparty fight.”

“I have not said an ill word about any of my caucus,” Cruz objected.

“What about the surrender caucus? That’s pretty nasty.”

“I did not say that about anybody,” Cruz said. (Byron York at the Washington Examiner found an instance of Cruz using the term on Sean Hannity’s show last week.)

“Well, that’s your chief of staff,” Ingraham said. “He was speaking as your proxy, was he not?”

“He actually was not,” Cruz said. “He did that on his own, and I didn’t know about it. I don’t agree with it. I have not said an ill-word about any of my colleagues. They have used some pretty nasty language about me. But my approach is not to reciprocate, and I don’t intend to. I think Tom Coburn is a good man, and he’s entitled to his own view on what a good strategy is.”

This is the second instance today of a conservative senator backing away from the brink, after Rand Paul offered Chris Christie a truce this morning.

Listen to the clip below, via Laura Ingraham at the link.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: lauraingraham; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; politics; randsconcerntrolls; talkradio; tedcruz; texas
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1 posted on 08/01/2013 9:21:14 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

“Surrender Caucus” IS pretty nasty. So, guys, don’t surrender, and we won’t call you names any more!


2 posted on 08/01/2013 9:25:13 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mozilla

Sorry to see Laura turn into a weenie, and sorry to see Cruz back down.


3 posted on 08/01/2013 9:25:42 AM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: Mozilla

Stand tough, Ted. Don’t let the LSM drones push you to the left.


4 posted on 08/01/2013 9:26:22 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Mozilla

Laura jumped the shark quite a while ago. Now she’s a Coburn ally? How about Corker?


5 posted on 08/01/2013 9:28:11 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Mozilla

““What about the surrender caucus? That’s pretty nasty.”

No, it ain’t. The RINO’s already got used to the terms “RINO” and ‘GOP-e’ so another description wouldn’t hurt as they would still be traitors to the core.


6 posted on 08/01/2013 9:28:30 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Mozilla

This behavior from Laura confuses me. I thought she was supportive of turning the republican party on it’s head.


7 posted on 08/01/2013 9:29:35 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: Defiant

Ingraham is GOP-E all the way-—remember when she and Ann Coulter were yucking it together up while attacking Sarah Palin?


8 posted on 08/01/2013 9:30:02 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Mozilla

The rino’s are surrendering, they are dropping their pant’s, bending over, handing a jar of vasoline to the democraps and screaming in ecstasy about how they like it....


9 posted on 08/01/2013 9:31:16 AM PDT by mm427 (Repeal the 19th amendment.)
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To: Mozilla

“Surrender Caucus”, I don’t see a problem with that, sounds pretty accurate to me. Sorry to see Ted Cruz back down on that.


10 posted on 08/01/2013 9:31:17 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: Mozilla

Cruz can hem and haw and backtrack if he likes, but none of the members of the Surrender Caucus will ever like him.


11 posted on 08/01/2013 9:31:31 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Mozilla

Here’s a question for Ted Cruz and those who support his “Defund Obamacre immediately” group.

The showdown could result in the first government closure since 1996. Obama is SURE to veto any attempt at defunding it.

Who do you think most people will blame for this when it happens?

So, how is this strategy going to work?


12 posted on 08/01/2013 9:32:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Baynative

Laura wants to be a player in the upcoming election cycle. So she decided to carry water for the Ole Establishment Rino Herd.


13 posted on 08/01/2013 9:32:39 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: Mozilla; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; ...
So far the success rate for getting the Dem POTUS to surrender by really shutting down the government is 0 of 1 in 1995 and those in congress who tried it back then want no part of it now.

It was pretty humiliating when Newt finally gave Clinton the fully funded CR that Clinton demanded in early 1996 after 3 shutdon weeks, after all those assurances by Rush that Clinton would surrender . (naturally Rush cant remember back that far.)

Any reason to believe that Obama wont be as successful as Clinton was in getting the GOP the blame and then another humiliating cave by GOP with EVERYONE hating them?

14 posted on 08/01/2013 9:36:20 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Mozilla
Democrats are Law-Less

Republicans are Ball-Less.

Ted Cruz is trying his HARDEST to stop Obamacare and all the right does is beat him up. I"M SICK OF IT!!

15 posted on 08/01/2013 9:36:49 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Mozilla

Laura is sparring. He not only can take it but he needs it. She’s just giving him practice for what the other sides going to do with him. They’re going to attack him with everything they have

But he’s honest and tough so they’re going to be at a loss for tactics

Laura’s right. So’s he.

Fasten seatbelts.


16 posted on 08/01/2013 9:37:38 AM PDT by stanne
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To: SeekAndFind

You write in the Continuing Resolution that everything EXCEPT Obamacare is funded! PERIOD.


17 posted on 08/01/2013 9:39:20 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Mozilla

What’s she doing?

The GOP has outlived its usefulness, and is dying a slow death. Everything and everyone is tainted by association with it. Establishment Republicans are the minority among Conservatives in America.

The flawed, disruptive and openly inimical views of the establishment GOP do not and cannot hope to draw the necessary support even to FIELD one more viable Presidential candidate…much less get us another Conservative President anytime soon.

By now, GOP support for a candidate is tantamount to the kiss of death and a guaranteed harbinger of defeat across the board, for Conservativism generally.

Who but the most deluded would see them as viable and relevant? THAT train left the station long ago.

It’s time to be realistic.

Conservatives in America have to succeed in SPITE of the GOP and if the GOP insists on considering itself the apex of Conservative thinking, then let THEM and the people who support them live in their La La Land dream world…the rest of us have work to do.

If you need the MSM to validate the GOP and its nominees, stop calling yourself a Conservative. No serious Conservative candidate needs to give the GOP a second thought!


18 posted on 08/01/2013 9:43:53 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind

AS I understand it the cote to defund would ONLY apply to obamacare
Rand Paul explained it would NOT shut down the government
so apparently it would be an amendment to the CR vote applying ONLY to obamacare


19 posted on 08/01/2013 9:44:28 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Mozilla

No jerkface... this is a good man practicing morals and ethics and no one in the media is qualified or has “STANDING” to speak of morality or ethics in any capacity.

LLS


20 posted on 08/01/2013 9:45:50 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: RWGinger

RE: AS I understand it the cote to defund would ONLY apply to obamacare
Rand Paul explained it would NOT shut down the government

OK, let’s say they vote ONLY to defund Obamacre but continue funding the rest of the government... OBAMA VETOES THE ENTIRE BUDGET BECAUSE OF IT.

What next?


21 posted on 08/01/2013 9:46:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Baynative

She is when they piss her off about something that she cares about but otherwise she is just another party hack rovian.

LLS


22 posted on 08/01/2013 9:47:07 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Mozilla

Seems like a “civil war” is coming. Why not now rather than later? Fat boy, McCain, Little Gay Lindsey, Karl, bring it on.


23 posted on 08/01/2013 9:49:03 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Mozilla

I guess we shall soon see if they are the “surrender caucus”.
It’s called “put up or shut up”.


24 posted on 08/01/2013 9:49:06 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Mozilla

If the shoe fits...............


25 posted on 08/01/2013 9:49:11 AM PDT by jch10 (The greatest threat to America is the Democrats.)
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To: Mozilla; All; Jim Robinson

Did anyone else hear Newt on Ingraham’s show this a.m.?

Newt sided with Mike Lee, Ted Cruz et al. Ingraham tried every possible way to argue and reason Newt out of taking their side, but he did not budge on it.

What Newt said was, you must start from the premise that Obamacare is an unmittigated disaster for healthcare, the economy, freedom, etc. From that factual premise, you cannot - CANNOT - argue that you must nevertheless vote to fund it.

He said, GOP, spend the next weeks pounding home what a disaster this is for our country. That it is so horrific, it is simply out of the question to vote funding for it.

Then, follow Mike Lee’s plan, pass a CR that funds EVERYTHING ELSE but Obamacare.

Show that it isn’t a government shutdown they’re seeking but to stop something that is so destructive they cannot vote to fund it.

Thereby Obama will show his hand that he so loves the idea of forcing this horrific monster on Americans, he would rather shut down the entire government.

Ingraham was pretty much left disarmed by her interview with Newt. She shot every arrow of “concern” in her quiver and could not land one, not one.


26 posted on 08/01/2013 9:49:51 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bring it on.


27 posted on 08/01/2013 9:50:58 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: SeekAndFind

You stop doing things because they are politically beneficial and you start doing them for the right reasons and because they are the right thing to do. You also educate the American people as to what you are doing and why and you call obama a liar when he lies... you use the dim’s playbook against Bush back on the rat party. Otherwise you get people that are progressive and acting in concert with the rat party for personal benefit and power. Either they do what we want or we (Conservative/libertarian coalitions) will take down the gop.

LLS


28 posted on 08/01/2013 9:51:12 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Timber Rattler
Yes, she was very solid for many years, and I enjoyed her humor. Then some hormones kicked in or something, she was dumped at one point, and then she got the Noonan Disease. She also had breast cancer, and that was a tough time for her. I sympathize with her personal circumstances. She was a talented, and very smart, former Supreme Court clerk.

In recent years, she has been sometimes right, often emotional or flighty. It is a shame.I remain sad to see where she is at politically. She has joined Hugh Hewitt in the GOPe zone.

29 posted on 08/01/2013 9:52:13 AM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: txrangerette

Wish Newt were Speaker right now. What a difference between him and boner.


30 posted on 08/01/2013 9:55:03 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I can understand your strategy.

Just remember this — all attempts at “educating the American people” is premised on one thing -— most of the American people WANT to be educated from the RIGHT SOURCE.

You’re not going to get this kind of education from the media ( where most Americans get their news ).

In effect, CRUZ, ET. AL. *WILL BE BLAMED* for the shutdown.

If they’re willing to take that chance... more pwoer to them.

Just remember this — It did not work in 1996 when the GOP controlled BOTH HOUSES ( now they control just one ).


31 posted on 08/01/2013 9:55:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: txrangerette

Thanks for the summary, it’s good to hear Newt taking her on, particularly with the surprising capitulation of a normally strong consrvative like Laura.


32 posted on 08/01/2013 9:55:47 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE)
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To: Mozilla

Murdoch orders: GET CRUZ, and Fox-lackey Ingraham complies.


33 posted on 08/01/2013 9:57:21 AM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Lakeshark

Newt was great. Let’s hope he doesn’t go wobbly later on. I know Newt is problematic but when Newt is right he is very, very right and knows how to frame things and is a strategist.


34 posted on 08/01/2013 9:58:04 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: SeekAndFind

The showdown could result in the first government closure since 1996. Obama is SURE to veto any attempt at defunding it.

Who do you think most people will blame for this when it happens?

So, how is this strategy going to work?


The strategy works by pounding the Dems non stop about how bad kenyancare is. Pick one awful thing every week and carpet bomb them with it. It’s simple really. Put some demands on the kenyan and Dems up for election. This isn’t all or nothing. It’s about engaging the dems or surrendering. Again. Yet folks like you want to go ahead and fund it and be the surrender caucus. You fund it without a fight, you own it.

The problem is you are giving the beltway GOP the benefit of the doubt. They haven’t earned that. It’s been one cheese eating surrender party after another since 2008 with these losers running the GOP. It’s way past time to light a fire under the beltway GOP and get them to push back against the destructive Dem policies.


35 posted on 08/01/2013 9:59:51 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: txrangerette

Yep. When he’s good, he’s very good. Unfortunately he goes off the reservation too often.


36 posted on 08/01/2013 10:03:17 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE)
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To: SeekAndFind
That's not the sequence of events.

The Senate will never pass a budget that defunds Obamacare. No Obama veto will ever be needed. You have a House budget and a Senate budget and no agreement. The battle comes when more money is needed, for a continuing resolution or a debt ceiling increase or whatever. At that point, the House has passed a budget that funds the government. If Republicans hold fast and make their case forcefully, the American people sent them to Congress to get rid of Obamacare. They will be supported. It won't seem like it on the news, but they will be. It won't hurt to keep sending in those letters and phoning in and maybe even marching to stiffen their spines.

It will probably become an impasse at that point, because Obama and Reid will never agree to a defunding. However, by showing a spine, the Republicans might be able to delay Obamacare for a few years. Obama gave the opening by giving businesses a one year delay. Make the delay for the ENTIRE program and for 2 or 3 years. No hiring IRS workers or implementing regulations or anything. Obama has already delayed it one year for business, so there is a precedent for delay. Then, the winner in 2016 determines whether it becomes permanent.

That all assumes a GOP with some gonads, however. With Boehner in charge, it is not going to happen. Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are doing wonderful work, exposing that funding Obamacare is support of it, and letting the GOPe know that they will own it after this year. Those symbolic votes are worthless.

37 posted on 08/01/2013 10:03:40 AM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: Mozilla

Laura who?


38 posted on 08/01/2013 10:07:11 AM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: lodi90

It is a canard that the shutdown was a bad thing. Reagan and Gingrich both came out winners after shut downs. Gingrich was working to win the whole shebang, and got stabbed in the back by Dole after the shutdown had lasted only a couple days. Later information showed that Clinton was about to cave. There was a great deal of disappointment among conservatives that Republicans did not show a spine, and was a big part of Dole’s defeat in 96 and the decline of the party thereafter. In 1995, the Reagan coalition was still around, and controlled 55 percent of the electorate, as shown in the 94 elections. Even California elected a Republican assembly that year. By 2000, it was a 50/50 nation, and a big reason for that was that Republicans became the party of government.


39 posted on 08/01/2013 10:08:47 AM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: Baynative

Ingraham often confuses me too. For six months straight, she’ll be entirely tea-party/anti-establishment... then the next six months she’s be totally beltway GOP-E. Then she’ll veer back again. It’s odd.


40 posted on 08/01/2013 10:10:32 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Timber Rattler

By then, I was no longer listening to her regularly. She had gone off the rails before that.


41 posted on 08/01/2013 10:12:57 AM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: Defiant

I think it’s a mistake to talk just about a shut down without explaing how bad the bill is. The issue is too abstract right now. Much better to break down the obamacare debate into twitter sized bites for the low info voters. There is plenty of bad stuff in the law the Dems won’t want to deal with right now. Only an opposition political party could force them to do that. Too bad we don’t have one right now.


42 posted on 08/01/2013 10:16:16 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Cicero
“Surrender Caucus” IS pretty nasty. So, guys, don’t surrender, and we won’t call you names any more!

To be fair, it's pretty accurate.
(I wish I had thought of it — LOL.)

43 posted on 08/01/2013 10:19:16 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Mozilla

We shouldn’t be trying to force the RINOs to turn into conservatives, we should instead show up at their town halls and appeal to their vanity and beg them join the Democrats where they belong.

Then we can run real conservatives against them.


44 posted on 08/01/2013 10:20:45 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

Why? All the House would have to do is pass its payment of the bills in pieces, leave O’Care out of the funding loop and go home.

They, the GOP could stand in front of every camera around and say, we paid the bills, we now leave it up to the Senate and the President to pass or veto.

And let it ride from there....We’re already ~$2T in the hold every year; but you don’t hear that anymore either.

Yeah, I know, I’m dreaming.


45 posted on 08/01/2013 10:24:00 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: lodi90
I agree. It will take a salesman and a showman to get the message out above the media filters. The GOP doesn't have one in leadership right now. Cruz and Mike Lee are great, but they are not in charge of any Republican group. Instead, we'd be treated to a sound bite of Boehner mumbling at night, and then 3 minutes of Democrat sob stories and Dem politicians screaming forcefully at Republicans, and then news readers repeating Dem talking points. To get past that, you need someone who is out there saying and doing things they have to show, like speaking to a large crowd about the danger of Obamacare, maybe taking a train ride through the heartland, sending the top Congressmen all over doing the same thing, and getting crowds arranged all over. We have no presence on TV, so use radio and advertising and internet and every outlet we do have.

That's how you'd do it. But we've got Boehner and McConnell. I hope Cruz and Lee keep fighting to get this done, and maybe we can even embarrass the surrender caucus into fighting with them, but I am not optimistic.

46 posted on 08/01/2013 10:29:03 AM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: sickoflibs; Mozilla; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; ...

” Ingraham questioned Cruz’s pugnacious strategy of calling out his members, worrying it would lead to a GOP “civil war.” “

The only thing that might save the GOP from aiding in the destruction of this country, would BE a civil war in the GOP!
We need a civil war in the GOP like no tommorrow, and FAST!


47 posted on 08/01/2013 10:36:04 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: greene66; mickie
You shouldn't be confused at all about Ingraham. She's been O'Reilly-ized.

He's the master of being first on one side of the fence, then on the other side, sometimes on each side at the same time....but mostly straddling it.

Laura has achieved fame and fortune for being Bill's designated fence-sitter on Fridays and when he takes time off here and there. So she's not going to stray too far off his plantation and the fence that surrounds it....and her.

Leni

48 posted on 08/01/2013 10:40:33 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Mozilla

“Surrender caucus” should stand. I guess it would be confusing to call them “surrender monkeys” instead, since the French already own that title.


49 posted on 08/01/2013 10:44:16 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: SeekAndFind

It worked and the last time anyone in the gop tried education was during Reagan... the gop did not talk over the media and to the American people in 1996 and Mark Levin proved that we did not get pummeled in 1996... in fact... clinton was losing support amongst dims and Mark read a half dozen articles in liberal newspapers stating so.

LLS


50 posted on 08/01/2013 10:44:23 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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