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Longshore Union Quits the AFL-CIO (It's a sign of things to come)
LABORNOTES ^ | 08/31/2013 | Mark Brenner

Posted on 09/01/2013 6:48:21 PM PDT by carlo3b

Longshore Union Quits the AFL-CIO

In a surprise move, the 40,000-member International Longshore and Warehouse Union announced its disaffiliation from the AFL-CIO yesterday. The news comes just a week before the federation is set to hold its national convention in Los Angeles, the nation’s biggest port and an ILWU stronghold..

The ILWU, known for its militant traditions and progressive politics, has been drawn into turf wars with other unions in recent years—particularly in the grain export terminals of the Pacific Northwest, where longshore workers have been locked in a high-stakes battle over master contract standards since 2011. - See more at: http://www.labornotes.org/2013/08/longshore-union-quits-afl-cio#sthash.WUvgy2OU.5GNjJk01.dpuf

(Excerpt) Read more at labornotes.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; alfcio; biglabor; deathpanels; democrats; elections; ilwu; longshoremen; losangeles; obamacare; politics; ports; schism; shipping; unions; zerocare
This is all about OBangBang, the wound is now festered.. They are preparing to Jimma Carter the -one.. :)
1 posted on 09/01/2013 6:48:21 PM PDT by carlo3b
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To: carlo3b

Communists fighting amongst themselves.


2 posted on 09/01/2013 6:52:29 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: carlo3b

So the AFL-CIO is not liberal enough for the Longshoremen?


3 posted on 09/01/2013 6:53:53 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: barmag25
Communists fighting amongst themselves.

It's a fight between the Marxist and the Leninist.. I say let'em have at it.. :)

4 posted on 09/01/2013 7:00:53 PM PDT by carlo3b (Speechless in Sugar Land)
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To: carlo3b
RED on RED

Pass the popcorn.

5 posted on 09/01/2013 7:03:40 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: carlo3b
maybe they figure that one union siphoning money out of their pocket was enough...
6 posted on 09/01/2013 7:04:11 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: carlo3b

The present union business model is unsustainable in a global marketplace. This infighting is simply an outcome of scarce work and an abundance of union workers.

The funny part is that union “leaders” seem to think economic forces don’t matter if you stand around with picket signs demanding business provide work for wages and work rules that will put them out of business. Business acquiesced for years because they could still make money, but those days are long gone.


7 posted on 09/01/2013 7:05:23 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Hoodat

In a nutshell that is correct.

Harry Bridges, a card carrying communist from Australia was actually head ILWU. The ILA, International Longshoreman’s union on the East and Gulf Coasts has been in relative terms fairly conservative and in the past endorsed Republicans.

The union of grainhandlers is still part of the AFL-CIO.


8 posted on 09/01/2013 7:05:28 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: carlo3b

Interesting read. Some of those organizations, I’ve never heard of. Seems quite in disarray..


9 posted on 09/01/2013 7:08:33 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: carlo3b
It's a fight between the Marxist and the Leninist.. I say let'em have at it.. :)

Kinda like syria, the sunni against the shitits with the alquada, hezbulah, crips and bloods all killing just to stay in good form. Go for it.

Secstate johnfnnkerry, will be right over with a couple of billion in aid money.

10 posted on 09/01/2013 7:30:33 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: carlo3b

Or the Trotskyite vs the Stalinist.


11 posted on 09/01/2013 7:32:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Hoodat

I grew up in the LA Harbor Area, and had countless friends who’s fathers were longshoremen...and I can tell you absolutely yes, that it is one of the WORST unions in the country. Makes the AFL-CIO look like pikers.

For starters, the docs employ about 4 times the people that are really needed to run the port. Not only will the ILWU not allow anything in the form of layoffs, they demand that any longshoreman’s son has a RIGHT to a job, and we’re talking starting $100k per year jobs here.

On top of that, like clockwork, they shut down the port every 3 years to demand raises. There are actually longshoremen that plan vacations for the month or so the port will be shut down, knowing that they are going to walk in to back pay for the time lost AND a fat raise when they return.

Finally, its become such a racket that children of longshoremen are often gang members because they barely attend high school. If you know you’ve got a guaranteed 6 figure job when you turn 18, what is the use of studying 11th grade history? So they hang out and party, and over the past 30 years the young gangsters have infested the waterfront.

This is setting up for a tragedy soon. There is a large port being built south of Tijuana, with a railhead into Kansas City. Once fully operational, ships and the owners of the docks can simply shift business south, and the port of LA will start to whither....and you will have thousands of uneducated, highly specialized unemployed with six figure lifestyles with no prospects...oh and a lot of them have criminal backgrounds. Aint that going to be sweet.

My guess is that this move is to allow them to “mend fences” with other long shore unions up and down the west coast, to try to coordinate a massive strike when the Tijuana docks come on line.


12 posted on 09/01/2013 7:49:29 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: carlo3b
NYT: January 23, 2013:Share of the Work Force
in a Union Falls to a 97-Year Low, 11.3%

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contendeh. I coulda been a somebody.

13 posted on 09/01/2013 7:53:27 PM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: SoCalTransplant

I was living in Long Beach during one of those strikes. I’d ride my bike along the beach and look out onto the water and see those big ships just sitting out there, waiting to dock.


14 posted on 09/01/2013 8:38:05 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: barmag25

“Communists fighting amongst themselves.”

Who gets to be Stalin and who gets to be Trotsky ?


15 posted on 09/01/2013 8:40:18 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: SoCalTransplant
My guess is that this move is to allow them to “mend fences” with other long shore unions up and down the west coast, to try to coordinate a massive strike when the Tijuana docks come on line.

Good guess. My take is that either they do it before the Tijuana port can handle the volume or they'll lose.

16 posted on 09/01/2013 8:43:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: SoCalTransplant

Wow. That makes the UFCW I was in seem like cute fluffy kittens. At least they would stop trying to get your job back after the 3rd time getting caught stealing on camera.


17 posted on 09/01/2013 9:22:38 PM PDT by matt04
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To: SoCalTransplant

Oh, my. Something’s bound to hit an oscillating device somewhere.


18 posted on 09/01/2013 10:00:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Carry_Okie

If you are talking about the Porto Colonet Project, that is on “Hold”, and likely dead-in-the-water.


19 posted on 09/01/2013 10:08:53 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: staytrue

The ILWU has always been “Stalinist” until recently. Harry Bridges, both an Australian Communist Party member and a Communist Party USA Central Committee member (1934, hattip to John Haynes and Harvey Klehr, “Labor History”, Summer 1994, Col. 35, BNo. 3, “Communists and the CIO: From the Soviet Archives”, pp. 442-446, specifically 444-446), was the Soviet asset running the ILWU until he retired in the 1980’s or so. He was followed by another Stalinist Jim Herman, and a few others.

Today’s ILWU leaders (re the past 15-20 years) are still militants but it is hard to find any CPUSA affiliation information on them other than supporting various protests by the CPUSA, WWP, etc.

On the other hand, the AFL-CIO was loaded with Marxists after George Meany retired and the Left under John Sweeney (an avowed socialist/marxist) took over, eliminated the anti-communist clause in its Constitution, and hired reds by the bushel (including Karen Nussbaum (9 to 5, Venceremos Brigade; Karen Ackerman, VB, DuBois Clubs, and reportedly the CPUSA’s later youth arm, the Young Workers Liberation League (YWLL), worked for the CPUSA created and dominated Local 1199 Drug & Hospital Workers Union, before becoming the Political Director of the AFLCIO).

The leader of the AFLCIO during the past 10-20 years in George Trumka, former head of the United Mineworkers Union, and a hardcore communist. Interestingly, he had a lot of affiliations with the Trotskyite “Socialist Workers Party” (SWP), from the 1970’s till it broke apart in the 1980’s.

I’m sure that he then switched to supporting fronts of the Trotskyite-turned-Stalinist “Workers World Party” (WWP), in their protests over Gulf War I, Operation Iraqi Freedom and Afghanistan, among other causes.

Trumka is a megalomaniac and a veteran union thug (physical and otherwise). His weakness is that he pisses off both friend and foe alike. Perhaps the Left Coast guys are going to give him a run for the red money (i.e., control of the organized labor union movement in the US).

Let’s hope they destroy each other.


20 posted on 09/01/2013 10:13:56 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Correct: The head of the AFL-CIO is RICHARD TRUMKA, not George.

Labor Notes is a leftwing publication along the lines of the old CPUSA newspaper “ Labor Today”. Lots of SEIU types writing for it. Suspect if you scratched deep enough, you’d find DSAers in it. Some names ring a red bell in my memory.


21 posted on 09/01/2013 10:20:58 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Hoodat

“So the AFL-CIO is not liberal enough for the Longshoremen?”

The same Longshoremen union in Long Beach that staged a 2-day strike because of the Iraq War. The same Iraq War that ended a year before. They’re most probably trying to money grab the union dues, that gets kicked up the AFL-CIO.


22 posted on 09/01/2013 10:40:37 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: carlo3b

Wow, they announced this on Labor Day weekend? Isn’t that the unions most sacred holiday?


23 posted on 09/01/2013 11:34:03 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (Still crazy after all these beers.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Thank you for this info.


24 posted on 09/02/2013 12:28:44 AM PDT by itssme
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

What is the DSA?


25 posted on 09/02/2013 12:30:20 AM PDT by itssme
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To: itssme

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). An amalgam of former SDSers and their descendant New American Movement (plus other marxists who were not members of the Communist Party USA = CPUSA, or the Socialist Workers Party - SWP). When NAM fell apart in the late 1970’s, and the Weathermen were underground but with an above ground component, the Prairie Fire Organizing Committee, marxists decided to take over the old Socialist Party of Norman Thomas and the newer split-off, the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee of marxist Michael Harrington.

The result was a new organization, the DSA, with significant influence from CPUSA members who left the Party (such as Obama personal doctor and Obamacare creator, Dr. Quentin Young), from marxist academics such as Cloward and Piven, Saul Alinsky disciples (like Obama), some black marxists, and some Weathermen/SDS marxists who surfaced in the 1980s.

They remained in the background of American politics for a long time, but they operated like an underground fungus, spreading throughout the country, largely unnoticed by the political establishment. By then, they had gotten some of their members elected to local and state political positions, and then on to Congress.

With the decline in the old CPUSA, the DSA picked up the old reds and their kids, to give the DSA guidance from experienced, trained hands. Thus several DSAers (Young and ex-CPer Milton Cohen), were in Bill Ayer’s house (Weathermen) when they decided to give Alice Palmer’s Illinois State Senate seat election bid to Obama and the rest is history.

Progressives for Obama was a major DSA operation, and included Mr. Hanoi Tom Hayden, SDSer Marilyn Katz, and Maoist/SDSer Carl Oglesby.

Look up these organizations names at www.keywiki.org and www.DiscoverTheNetwork.com, and you will find out all about them from two very good databases.


26 posted on 09/02/2013 12:42:12 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Thanks for these links. We all need to acquaint ourselves with these links and the info they provide. And I also thank you for the full explanation of these leftist groups and names of the players. Lots to read and digest.


27 posted on 09/02/2013 1:32:09 AM PDT by itssme
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

You nailed Trumka perfectly. He comes from the UMW, which has always had a tradition of violence in their strikes. Coal miners are hard men doing a hard job, and they’ve used hard tactics to get their way in the past (on both sides). There’s been a fair bit of blood shed in the PA/WV/VA/KY coalfields under Trumka’s watch from 1982 to 1995.

}:-)4


28 posted on 09/02/2013 4:24:40 AM PDT by Moose4 (SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED.)
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To: SoCalTransplant

Colonet is a small Mexican Pacific coastal village located approximately 150 miles south of Tijuana in Baja California. Historically, this area’s economy has relied on agriculture and tourism. For the past five years, excitement and speculation has centered on Punta Colonet, as the Mexican government has announced that it will build a new Pacific seaport at this site.

The scope of the project is enormous by world standards. According to Mexican government reports, the port will be designed to handle six million containers annually at final build-out. In terms of processing volume, it will be larger than the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach combined. When completed, the site is projected to encompass an area of more than 27,000 acres, or slightly more than 42 square miles. It will be the third largest seaport in the world, behind only Singapore and Hong Kong. It is estimated that between 90,000 and 200,000 people, a small city, will be needed to operate the port facilities.

..................

I thought this port was going to be further south with rail and Hiway connections up through Texas into the heartland and points east.


29 posted on 09/02/2013 4:33:34 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Moose4

Trumka is a real, bonefide terrorist by today’s standards. The UMWA strike in southwest Virgina was a real terrorist action.


30 posted on 09/02/2013 4:38:34 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: lbryce

.....Instead of a bum, which
is what I am, let’s face it. It was you,
Charley.

Great scene from an awesome movie!


31 posted on 09/02/2013 4:49:10 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: carlo3b
The ILWU supports a national single-payer health care system, while the AFL-CIO is “in lockstep with Obama,” Sundet said. He criticized the federation for being unwilling to discuss the shortcomings of the Affordable Care Act, which discriminates against union Taft-Hartley benefit plans and will impose a so-called “Cadillac tax” on generous benefit plans.

How can they be for a single payer plan and still want to keep their 'Cadillac' benefit plan?

32 posted on 09/02/2013 4:49:54 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: carlo3b
This is all about OBangBang, the wound is now festered.. They are preparing to Jimma Carter the -one.. :)

except jimmah was defeated after 1 term by Reagan Dems.

this current POSOTUS past muster in 2012 with union thugs.(that being the fault of the RNC who fielded a wennie so as to lose on purpose and not upset the brother man)

33 posted on 09/02/2013 5:28:24 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: SoCalTransplant

Im reading this and wondering if there’s a suitable port in Mexico. Thanks for the answer and obvious solution to the uneconomic Longshoreman. Time’s a’ tickin on them....


34 posted on 09/02/2013 5:49:48 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: carlo3b

We need another Ronald Reagan so badly to stand up to these unions!


35 posted on 09/02/2013 6:38:03 AM PDT by peanu
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To: barmag25

They believed Obama would protect them as part of the ruling class....now they find out only our elected officials and their staffs are exempt from this monstrosity.


36 posted on 09/02/2013 8:41:33 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: carlo3b

Trouble in Utopia.


37 posted on 09/02/2013 10:27:04 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Unicorns, misbehaving again.. Damned unicorns, never seem to learn.. They need more Cow Bells, you can never have enough.. :)


38 posted on 09/02/2013 1:16:23 PM PDT by carlo3b (Speechless in Sugar Land)
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To: carlo3b

I think I speak for all FREepers when I say Longshoremen for president! These are our new political messiahs!


39 posted on 09/02/2013 4:01:00 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (T. Jefferson's warning come true: THIS morning you woke up a slave to government and central bankers)
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To: ponygirl

Oh yeah, its like clockwork. I knew people that were in other unions, that were smaller and at least a little more responsible (laborers, electricians, etc), that hated the ILWU, because they felt they gave unions a bad name. Not that I’m a fan of ANY union, but when the other unions think you are jerks, thats saying something.

Dont know where you are now, but if you’re like me, the only thing you miss from SoCal is the weather and really, really good Mexican food. I grew up in Carson, right next to Long Beach.


40 posted on 09/02/2013 9:11:03 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Pretty much. With all the corruption in Mexico, the port owners and shipping companies still hesitate to move all the business, but the more of a PITA that the ILWU becomes the more attractive it is.


41 posted on 09/02/2013 9:14:23 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I believe you are a Northern Cal guy, so you’ll get this analogy. As California Universities go, there is liberal, then there is Berkley, and waaaaaay to the left of them is Santa Cruz. That’s kind of the way the ILWU is in relation to other unions...a whole different brand of Banana Slug, clothing optional campus type crazy.

Another interesting aspect to this story is the ILWU has a major Hispanic component. I’d say 50% of the current members, at least in LA. So while most labor unions would be AGAINST amnesty, as a threat to their jobs, the ILWU is actually criticizing the AFL-CIO for not being FOR streamlined citizenship. Part of that I’m sure is because they feel like their union stranglehold on the port is so strong they can fend off the teeming masses, but I’m sure part of it is to placate half the membership.


42 posted on 09/02/2013 9:21:57 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: bert

Yeah, the side story to this is that the corruption in Mexico has been SO bad that it took this long to get to this option. My understanding was that the Railhead was to go into Kansas City, with the idea being that not only would that provide access into the east coast, but also to the Mississippi so as to allow access to the gulf and bypass the fees needed for the Panama Canal transit.

The shipping companies will make out like bandits (or banditos, in this case), because they will pay the workers $20 an hour, and it will be more money than those people have ever seen in their lives!


43 posted on 09/02/2013 9:25:20 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: carlo3b
The unions now want their 0Care subsidized...by the non-unioners.

How many more groups can 0 exempt from his *signature* legislation?

44 posted on 09/02/2013 9:30:51 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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