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David Barton for Senate? (against Cornyn in Texas)
patheos.com ^ | 10/28/13 | Warren Throckmorton

Posted on 10/29/2013 7:08:35 AM PDT by cotton1706

According to this tweet, David Barton is being recruited to run against John Cornyn for the Republican Senate nomination.

If you would like to see David Barton Run for the US Sen against Cornyn.. please leave an encouraging note here… https://t.co/8xYmmfIln7

— Ginger (@gingerdr) October 28, 2013

The link leads a Facebook group titled: Draft David Barton for US Senate. According to the page,

This group is set up to alert the grassroots that there is a movement taking place that would like to encourage David Barton with Wallbuilders to run for the US Senate against John Cornyn.

Currently, the group has 394 members.

I hope he runs since it would shed more light on his history lessons and other curious statements.

UPDATE:

Apparently, there is some buzz building about this idea. This supporter of Barton believes the rumors are legitimate. As of the morning of Oct. 29, the group now has over 1000 members.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
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Texas Freepers?? He looks better than Vega.
1 posted on 10/29/2013 7:08:35 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Is David Tea party Patriot? What does Sarah Palin Say?


2 posted on 10/29/2013 7:16:06 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: cotton1706
Cornhole is already running his campaign ads. He is touting himself as the second most conservative Republican in the Senate. Somehow, I doubt those credentials.

I'm not completely up on his record, but does anyone have his voting record and issues support that he has put his name to that is less than conservative?

3 posted on 10/29/2013 7:18:37 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: cotton1706

I like Stovall’s positions but he’s really a long long shot and not getting much traction.

http://www.texansforstovall.com/


4 posted on 10/29/2013 7:18:50 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: cotton1706

Anybody but Cornball, but Barton would have a tough time winning a general election, with the apparent surge in TX for the popular Wendy Davis. Now a GWB judge has struck down the abortion-restriction law which Davis filibustered against.


5 posted on 10/29/2013 7:23:52 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: cotton1706

Liberals will react with venom toward this guy. They just go over the top with opposition to him.

I was President of our local Library Board in Wisconsin when another Board member suggested purchasing his videotapes for our collection. The Library staff threatened to walk off the job if we approved the purchase. Such a ruckus!

I encouraged the Board members to watch his tapes, double check the content, etc. and learn all we could about him. I thought that the tapes were a worthy addition to our collection and that the reaction of the staff told me a great deal about them. It all came to naught, however, when 2 of the Board members came up with the money themselves and donated copies of the tapes to the Library.

I left the board shortly after that, I I bet that those tapes were “lost” or misplaced shortly thereafter.

I would love to see Barton in the US Senate.


6 posted on 10/29/2013 7:24:13 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: fwdude

Cornyn is careful to vote conservatively, as demonstrated by the below ratings. However, his real inklings were made clear when he was head of the NRSC. He endorsed or funded every single moderate over every single conservative. He endorsed both Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist, both of which then became democrats. He endorsed Mike Castle. He funded Lisa Murkowski even though she wasn’t the republican nominee. He withheld funds from Sharon Angle and Ken Buck when it was most needed. Time after time, he has demonstrated himself to be a RINO in the mold of Mitch McConnell, who also has a very good and carefully contrived conservative voting record to fool the people.

Cornyn (TX) - 03/04/14 - 87% (Average) - 85% (Heritage) - 82% (CFG) - 88% (ACU) - 92% (FreedomWorks)


7 posted on 10/29/2013 7:26:23 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Theodore R.
Anybody but Cornball, but Barton would have a tough time winning a general election, with the apparent surge in TX for the popular Wendy Davis.

Apparent is all it is. Her support will be minimal.

8 posted on 10/29/2013 7:33:27 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: cotton1706

Barton would likely be a more dependable conservative than Cornyn, but I fear he would be easily torn apart. I first heard David speak in the early 90’s at a local church. Since then I have bought a number of his books and DVD sets. But in recent years I have come to realize all too often he played fast and loose with history and some conservative Christians have called him on it. It’s not so much that he makes things up. It’s that sometimes he conveniently leaves out details that don’t support his overall thesis. And as my pastor used to say, a half truth is a whole lie.


9 posted on 10/29/2013 7:42:36 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: cotton1706

I think Texas Freepers should take a serious look at www.erickwyatt.com. Solid conservative and veteran.


10 posted on 10/29/2013 7:47:39 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Barton has reawakened popular interest in many of the Founders who we had taken for granted or forgotten. If you are going to accuse him of “playing fast and loose” with history, please cite one specific instance.


11 posted on 10/29/2013 7:48:13 AM PDT by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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To: fwdude
Cornyn has come fast out of the gate, spending tons of money to tout his phoney conservative credentials, hoping to shock and awe any potential big name primary opponents into staying on the sidelines. These credentials are accrued by posturing, as we just saw in the ObamaCare defund battle. He votes for cloture to advance Ocare knowing that few understand that that was the key vote (and that it was not scored by the various rating organizations) and then votes against Ocare when his vote no longer matters but is scored.

As for John Cornyn's legacy as Chairman of the NRSC -

Cornyn's handpicked Senate candidates:

Arlen Specter - Democrat
Charlie Crist - Democrat
Lincoln Chafee - Democrat
Lisa Murkowski - Independent

Republican candidates stabbed in the back:

Ken Buck
Sharon Angle
Christine O'Donnell
Joe Miller
Larry Elder
Charlie Summers

12 posted on 10/29/2013 7:50:02 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: cotton1706

The voting records have been contrived for some thirty years now. Members are told in advance what they must vote for x, y, and z, or against a, b, and c, etc. There is a good chance that those who voted against Cruz on the shutdown, including Cornball, won’t even be graded for that treacherous vote.


13 posted on 10/29/2013 7:55:47 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: cotton1706
Whether it's Barton or some other committed scholar and devotee of the ideas of liberty, America needs statesmen, not Party figureheads--men and women who will articulate and defend the ideas and facts underlying its Declaration of Independence and "People's" Constitution.

Many so-called "conservatives" are as mislabeled as are so-called "progressives."

Articulating and defending the principles and ideas of liberty for individuals, as laid out by the 85 essays of THE FEDERALIST (explanations of the Constitution), and the Framers' own explanations of individual liberty and limited government should be standard for examining a candidate who calls himself "conservative."

Future generations will judge of this time in America's history as the period when their own ability to possess Creator-endowed liberty and opportunity was either lost, or when it was recaptured by a generation of courageous and brave persons who won the battle of ideas.

Here are some questions which may help us in considering potential candidates for 2014 and beyond:

"1. Does this legislation or idea increase, or decrease, individual freedom and creativity?

"2. Does this legislation or idea increase, or decrease, the power of some citizens over other citizens?

"3. Does this legislation or idea recognize that the persons who will exercise the power are themselves imperfect human beings?

"4. Does this legislation or idea recognize that government is incapable of creating wealth?

"5. Does this legislation or idea authorize taking from some what belongs to them, and giving it to others to whom it does not belong?
If 'thou shalt not steal' is a valid commandment, can we assume that it is meant to apply only to individuals and not to government (which is made up of individuals), even if those persons in power pass laws which sanction such redistribution of the wealth of others?'

"6. Does this legislation or idea encourage, or discourage, the very highest level of morality and responsibility from the individual?
. . .when government makes actions 'legal' by some citizens at the expense of other citizens, the result may be behavior which would not be considered possible by individuals acting alone.

"7. Does this legislation or idea propose that the 'government' do something which the individual cannot do without committing a crime?"**

**7 principles drawn from James R. Evans book, "America's Choice: Twilight's Last Gleaming or Dawn's Early Light," and reprinted in a Stedman Corporation (Asheboro, NC) booklet entitled "I'm Only One, What Can I Do?


14 posted on 10/29/2013 7:59:17 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Liberty Wins
11 Barton has reawakened popular interest in many of the Founders who we had taken for granted or forgotten. If you are going to accuse him of “playing fast and loose” with history, please cite one specific instance.

I read excerpts of his Jefferson Lies and found it compelling reading. Sadly, his academic critics succeeded in getting his publisher to shut down printing of new editions. The link below is a meaty source. It is to World magazine, a Christian periodical. They did excellent coverage on the homosexual/ Boy Scout debacle earlier this year.

http://www.worldmag.com/topic/barton_controversy/

15 posted on 10/29/2013 8:08:17 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MulberryDraw

former contractor...a bit rough


16 posted on 10/29/2013 8:16:20 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Liberty Wins

I’m in my car, but I have heard a number of programs on Christian radio and Christian podcasts calling him on it. Use Google.


17 posted on 10/29/2013 9:07:43 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Liberty Wins

By the way, Thomas Nelson recently pulled Barton’s book on Jefferson (”Jefferson Lies”?) off the shelves for lack of historical integrity.


18 posted on 10/29/2013 9:14:38 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: MacNaughton
Thanks for the reference to World magazine. (Though they didn't need to use such an unflattering photo.) IMO David Barton has been the victim of an academic lynching.

His book, Jefferson Lies was a masterwork, getting professors all over the place to think twice about labeling Jefferson a Deist, and calling into serious question Jefferson’s “wall of separation” belief. Barton reminded us that Jefferson recommended using the Bible as the main textbook in elementary schools, and also found that Jefferson had given permission for church meetings to be held in the U.S. capitol building. Some wall of separation!

His finished manuscript was 110,000 words long, but the Thomas Nelson editors cut it to 63,000 words, eliminating documentation that answered questions later raised by his critics. After this publisher was taken over by a new company they dropped the book, which was then picked up by Simon and Schuster.

Barton has made history more popular than his dry and dusty critics. I love his books.

19 posted on 10/29/2013 9:20:50 AM PDT by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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To: fwdude

Cornyn voted for cloture (against Cruz in the Senate’s Obamacare defunding vote) along with some 27 other Senate RINO’s so he should be primaried to scare some sense into him a la Rubio with immigration reform; and yes he is running ads in Texas showing him wearing an LBJ-style (ill fitting, perched on his head) cowboy hat touting his conservative credentials.


20 posted on 10/29/2013 9:23:47 AM PDT by quantumman
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To: cotton1706

I’ve always liked Barton’s books and stuff, just because I like anything that repeats the wisdom of our founders.

However, politically I’ve also watched Mr. Barton act like a political hack, basically lying for politicians like John Judas McCain and Mitt Romney, distorting their positions and records for the purposes of Republican political expedience.

Which, of course, soured me on him.

I’ll just stick to the founders, and leave others to purchase David Barton’s compilations of their words.


21 posted on 10/29/2013 9:28:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: .45 Long Colt
"...all too often he played fast and loose with history and some conservative Christians have called him on it."

THIS IS UNTRUE!; All the so called "Christian" and/or critics have been rebutted; many of them work on Lib blogs. As to "fast and loose"; they have been minor - VERY MINOR - adjustments to his writings. The truth is, David Barton scares the hell out of Libs because he can debate them and rip the tar out of them!

22 posted on 10/29/2013 10:56:00 AM PDT by celmak
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To: EternalVigilance
"However, politically I’ve also watched Mr. Barton act like a political hack, basically lying for politicians like John Judas McCain and Mitt Romney, distorting their positions and records for the purposes of Republican political expedience."

Are you one that stood out on not voted for any president in 2008? Because when Barton was supporting them; they were the Republican candidates at the time. And can you cite what "lies" he stated?

23 posted on 10/29/2013 11:00:26 AM PDT by celmak
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To: Liberty Wins; MacNaughton; .45 Long Colt; cotton1706; Theodore R.; afraidfortherepublic
Liberty,

If you want to know David Barton's side of the story on the Jefferson Lies, here it is. http://www.wallbuilders.com/downloads/newsletter/DefendingTheJeffersonLiesDavidBartonRespondstohisConservativeCritics.pdf

Also, you will find that Warren Throckmorton is a Liberal hack that also posts on Salon magazine.

http://www.salon.com/writer/warren_throckmorton/

24 posted on 10/29/2013 11:17:33 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak
Warren Throckmorton is a Liberal hack that also posts on Salon magazine

As you read his attacks on Barton you get that anti-Christian agenda coming across.

25 posted on 10/29/2013 11:24:49 AM PDT by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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To: Liberty Wins
"As you read his attacks on Barton you get that anti-Christian agenda coming across."

Unfortunately there are a lot of people that have been fooled by his critics that call themselves Christian and/or Conservative. Here is another David Barton statement on some of his other critics.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=118208

It's a shame that so many take criticism of him at face value; and do not even wait for a response from him

26 posted on 10/29/2013 11:45:12 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak

I heard some people have a problem with his “history books” whatever that means.

We need someone who can be called conservative to run against Cornyn, that is a fact


27 posted on 10/29/2013 11:49:48 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: EternalVigilance

I was a member of Draft Louie Gohmert but he isn’t interested


28 posted on 10/29/2013 11:50:21 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: celmak

He published scorecards which painted McCain and Romney as the conservatives they have never been. In other words, he lied.


29 posted on 10/29/2013 12:05:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: celmak
Are you one that stood out on not voted for any president in 2008?

No. If the Republicans can't raise up candidates that don't violate my conscience, I do what I can to make sure there is someone who is supportable, someone who actually represents me.

You do believe in representative self-government, right?

Because when Barton was supporting them; they were the Republican candidates at the time.

Like that means anything any more.

30 posted on 10/29/2013 12:08:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
So since you didn't have a candidate, you did not vote and helped the greater of two evils get into the office of the President.

"You do believe in representative self-government, right?"

Obviously the question for you is mute since you hold voting in such low esteme; so your question is meaningless to me.

31 posted on 10/29/2013 12:45:19 PM PDT by celmak
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To: EternalVigilance
"He published scorecards which painted McCain and Romney as the conservatives they have never been. In other words, he lied."

I'm not saying what you state is untrue yet, but I am not going by only your word; cite me a source.

32 posted on 10/29/2013 12:47:34 PM PDT by celmak
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To: GeronL
"We need someone who can be called conservative to run against Cornyn, that is a fact."

He is a good Christian conservative, great speaker, and a great journalistic debater; though I do not know his prowess as a debater under on air, in front of a public audience, condition.

33 posted on 10/29/2013 1:13:10 PM PDT by celmak
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To: Liberty Wins
"As you read his attacks on Barton you get that anti-Christian agenda coming across."

Exactly.

34 posted on 10/29/2013 1:17:54 PM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak

bump


35 posted on 10/29/2013 1:18:51 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: celmak
So since you didn't have a candidate, you did not vote

I never said that I didn't have a candidate. In fact, I said the exact opposite. Reading comprehension problems?

So, to give you another crack at it, I'll repeat my previous post. I'll even bold it for you.

If the Republicans can't raise up candidates that don't violate my conscience, I do what I can to make sure there is someone who is supportable, someone who actually represents me.

36 posted on 10/29/2013 3:08:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
"I never said that I didn't have a candidate."

Well you sure are being evasive; so you voted for someone that didn't have a chance? If you voted for someone else besides (hold my nose) Romney or (hold my nose) McInsane - it was the same as not voting. Guess who we got because of people like you! No person is perfect, and sometimes you have to go with what God gives us - the better of two evils. But you chose not to vote the better of the two and went with someone that did not have a chance against Obama wasting your responsibility to your vote.

So I'll repeat myself; obviously you hold voting in low esteem!

37 posted on 10/29/2013 5:27:04 PM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak

Nonsense. The very word “election” means choice.

Your position, that I must vote for someone who does NOT represent me, in fact signals the end of elections, or choice.

I believe in REPRESENTATIVE self-government.

And I don’t vote for evil. It does not represent me.

Since you do, and admit it, might I suggest that you quit whining because the country is going to hell in a handbasket.

Frankly, you’re part of the problem.


38 posted on 10/29/2013 9:08:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: celmak
and sometimes you have to go with what God gives us

God didn't make that choice. You did.

39 posted on 10/29/2013 9:09:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: celmak
So I'll repeat myself; obviously you hold voting in low esteem!

I hold it in high enough esteem to not waste my vote on those who don't represent me.

If all follow your example, we'll get pretty much exactly what we've now got.

If others would follow my example, and only vote for candidates who represent the core principles of this free republic, everything would change for the better, practically overnight.

40 posted on 10/29/2013 9:12:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
"If others would follow my example, and only vote for candidates who represent the core principles of this free republic, everything would change for the better, practically overnight."

If everyone followed your example, we would be a pure democracy, voting for hundreds, if not thousands of candidates. That is not what our Founding Fathers wanted - we are a Republic!

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

Because of your low esteem for the vote, you helped Obama be our President!

41 posted on 10/30/2013 6:53:58 AM PDT by celmak
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To: EternalVigilance
"I believe in REPRESENTATIVE self-government."

But you advocate a Democracy! Thanks to your ilk that vote third Party, we may lose Virginia.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/virginia/release-detail?ReleaseID=1971

.

42 posted on 10/30/2013 7:19:09 AM PDT by celmak
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To: EternalVigilance
"He published scorecards which painted McCain and Romney as the conservatives they have never been. In other words, he lied."

And you still have not given any data that supports this statement.

43 posted on 10/30/2013 7:23:00 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak

That’s just pure nonsense. Republican self-government cannot survive when you have only socialists offered by the phony “two-party,” which is really one party, system.

I get the sense that you don’t know much about what American republicanism really is.


44 posted on 10/30/2013 10:55:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: celmak

I’m about as far from believing in democracy as you can get.

In fact, politically, I’m about as republican as it gets.

“[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man’s life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few.” — John Adams, An Essay on Man’s Lust for Power, 1763

“A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction.” — Fisher Ames

“The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness which the...ignorant believe to be liberty.” — Fisher Ames


45 posted on 10/30/2013 11:07:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: celmak
And you still have not given any data that supports this statement.

And I'm not going to. I don't have the documents in my possession, and don't know where to find them. They're old history. But, I know what I saw. If you want to call me a liar, I don't care. Your opinion of my veracity doesn't mean that much to me - based on your rude, baseless comments to me on this thread.

46 posted on 10/30/2013 11:12:51 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
"That’s just pure nonsense. Republican self-government cannot survive when you have only socialists offered by the phony “two-party,” which is really one party, system."

I take it you never heard of the Tea Party. I get the sense you don't know much about how our Republic works - but your ilk do plenty to destroy it.

47 posted on 10/31/2013 5:52:15 AM PDT by celmak
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To: EternalVigilance
"And I'm not going to."

Yeppers, I am debating a defenseless opponent.

48 posted on 10/31/2013 5:54:44 AM PDT by celmak
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To: EternalVigilance
"I’m about as far from believing in democracy as you can get."

"In fact, politically, I’m about as republican as it gets."

You can say and quote what you say you are all you want; your actions speak Democracy. Even Obama can say Obamacare works - it does not make it true!

.

49 posted on 10/31/2013 5:58:56 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak

You don’t know what debate is any better than you know what democracy is.


50 posted on 10/31/2013 6:17:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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