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‘Stand your ground’ moves to Ohio Senate
dispatch.com ^ | November 21, 2013 | Jim Siegel

Posted on 11/21/2013 7:46:36 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe


Rep. Alicia Reece, D-Cincinnati, holds Skittles, the candy
Trayvon Martin had when George Zimmerman killed him.

Shortly after the House moved Ohio one step closer to enacting a controversial “stand your ground” law, Minority Leader Tracy Maxwell Heard of Columbus didn’t mince words.

“Glad we did right by suburban kids with peanut allergies today. Too bad we couldn’t do the same for kids from the ’hood allergic to bullets,” she tweeted, referring to an allergy bill passed earlier in the day.

House Bill 203, a multifaceted gun bill, passed the House 62-27 yesterday and now goes to the Senate. Protestors in the balcony disrupted the session for a short time.

Franklin County lawmakers broke along party lines, except for Rep. Heather Bishoff, D-Blacklick, who supported it. Rep. Anne Gonzales, R-Westerville, was absent.

The bill changes Ohio’s self-defense law so that as long as a person is in a place he or she is lawfully allowed to be, the person has no duty to retreat before using deadly force in defense of one’s self, another person or one’s property.

Some Democrats, including Rep. Alicia Reece of Cincinnati, president of the Ohio Legislative Black Caucus, called it a “kill at will” bill that would lead to deaths.

Rep. Terry Johnson responded, “What about a life that can be saved?”

“This provision benefits the victims of violent crime,” the McDermott Republican and bill sponsor said. “Someone attacked by a criminal and defends himself or herself should not face a prosecutor” and be forced to prove that he or she could not have retreated.

“A person facing a life-threatening situation should not face a duty to flee and hope for the best,” Johnson said.

The bill has faced opposition from prosecutors and law enforcement who argued there is no evidence Ohio’s current self-defense law needs to be changed. The duty to retreat, they said, encourages people to avoid deadly confrontations, or avoid escalating disputes to the point where deadly force is used.

They say it does not mean people cannot defend themselves when attacked or threatened by someone with a deadly weapon.

“We cannot, should not and would not accept a law that allows someone to follow someone who has done nothing … and hunt them down, and then hide behind the law,” Reece said, making references to the Florida shooting involving George Zimmerman.

Rep. Kevin Boyce, D-Columbus, described how he, as a 7-year-old boy, and his family learned that his father had been shot to death. The shooter went to prison, he said, “but under this bill, I believe it’s possible he would not go to prison in Ohio. That would be a travesty.”

But Johnson said that under the bill, a person who uses lethal force still has to prove he acted in self-defense, has to show he did not create or prolong the confrontation, and feared suffering great bodily harm.

“No matter what we do today, that stands,” he says.

He said some of the same people who testified against the bill also wrongly predicted that prior gun law changes would increase violence.

Rep. Matt Lynch, R-Chagrin Falls, said opponents falsely paint a picture that the bill will create armed vigilantes around every corner.

“We are making smart changes that allow people to properly exercise self-defense.”


TOPICS: US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: aliciareece; banglist
Ohio House Approves "Stand Your Ground" Gun Measure - November 21, 2013 - Democrat Alicia Reece from Cincinnati said she supports the right to bear arms, but also said she was representing 10-thousand people who signed a petition to stop the bill. “We know what the provision in House Bill 203 – the “stand your ground/ kill at will” provision, we’ve already seen what it does when it goes wrong. We’ve already seen when we allow citizens to become judge, juror and executioner.”
1 posted on 11/21/2013 7:46:36 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Somebody with the photoshop skills needs to post, Chris Farley doing the fat guy in a little coat thing next to the pic on top.


2 posted on 11/21/2013 7:51:12 PM PST by ConservativeChris (I feel like Marvin Boggs!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yeah... 10,000 racists who want the right to bash people’s skulls against the sidewalk while high on Purple Drank.


3 posted on 11/21/2013 8:01:58 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

As long as the Trayvons don’t play the Knockout Game they’ll be fine.


4 posted on 11/21/2013 8:02:03 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Oh, well, look at that. All about color. And I don’t mean the colors of the rainbow.

I like Skittles, and funny enough, I haven’t had any in a while. Maybe I won’t eat them anymore.


5 posted on 11/21/2013 8:04:31 PM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Stand your ground, you know it's right,
It's the truth that the truth makes them so uptight.
6 posted on 11/21/2013 8:06:00 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: ConservativeChris

I read most of this bill. It is a good step in the right direction.


7 posted on 11/21/2013 8:11:53 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

People like Rep. Reece and the Black Caucus are opposed to SYG because they support the violent thug culture of the black community. They have no problem with violent black youth commits violent crones against others and don’t what them injured our killed by someone defending themselves.


8 posted on 11/21/2013 8:24:39 PM PST by matt04
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To: Tailgunner Joe
skittles? Is that all you got?


9 posted on 11/21/2013 8:26:26 PM PST by RC one
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To: fieldmarshaldj


10 posted on 11/21/2013 8:57:30 PM PST by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: ConservativeChris

I would suggest a better effort that someone tattoo the 2nd Amendment on this idiot legislator’s forehead....or maybe photoshop the Bill of Rights into her hand. What an utter f’ing tool this moron is.

When this passes, we will have one out of three won back from the wussifiers....

“I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.” John Wayne in the Shootist.

Next up should be “wrongs and insults”. If it worked for the Duke and even Ben Cartwright......why not us?


11 posted on 11/21/2013 9:00:33 PM PST by Lowell1775
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Stand-your-ground is fairly simple.

It takes away an advantage from a life-threatening aggressor; and...

it removes a (rather substantial) situational disadvantage from a would-be victim.

Simple.

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12 posted on 11/21/2013 9:20:19 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Check this out: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3094202/posts


13 posted on 11/21/2013 9:47:11 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Tailgunner Joe; ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; ...

Ohio Ping
House Bill 203, a multifaceted gun bill, passed the House 62-27 yesterday and now goes to the Senate.


14 posted on 11/21/2013 10:04:58 PM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Seaplaner
Does this congresscritter KNOW that this will actually save black American's lives?

Who in this country is most likely to be the victim of violent crime?

Other black people.

Innocent black homeowners don't want some thug breaking into their houses any more than any other rational human.

15 posted on 11/21/2013 11:42:45 PM PST by boop (I had no IDEA I'd be paying for Obamacare. I thought it would be a rich guy.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Tailgunner Joe.
“Glad we did right by suburban kids with peanut allergies today. Too bad we couldn’t do the same for kids from the ’hood allergic to bullets,” she tweeted, referring to an allergy bill passed earlier in the day.
Racist hypocrite ping.


16 posted on 11/22/2013 12:48:10 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: boop; All

“Does this congresscritter KNOW that this will actually save black American’s lives?

Who in this country is most likely to be the victim of violent crime?

Other black people.”

No. Because in her twisted ideology, a black criminal killed is every bit as much a victim as the person they were trying to kill.

It is the discredited “progressive elite” model of murder.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/10/two-models-of-modern-murder.html


17 posted on 11/22/2013 6:48:18 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Whenifhow

Good


18 posted on 11/22/2013 10:07:58 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (I'm not afraid to say what i mean nor should you be afraid of what you know to be true !)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Isn’t it strange that they think this will lead to the killing of blacks. Wonder why that is. Are they racist thinking that black Americans would more likely be in a position where this law would be to their detriment.


19 posted on 11/22/2013 10:25:02 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

OK, who do we call and how do we help carry this to the end zone.


20 posted on 11/23/2013 11:01:57 AM PST by nomad
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