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You cannot Just say No to the Obamacare race questionnaire
legalinsurrection.com ^ | Feb 5, 2014 | William A. Jacobson

Posted on 02/06/2014 1:39:16 AM PST by expat1000

State your race and ethnicity, or no doctor for you.

The image below was sent to me by a reader who went for a visit to a physician, and was told that she could not be seen unless she filled out this race and ethnicity questionnaire, and put her name on the form.

She initially refused, but they insisted that it was required or she could not see the doctor. The form does indicate that it is mandatory under Section 4302 of Obamacare.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; banglist; obamacare; obamacareethnicity; obamacareform; obamacarerace; obamacareraceform; racequestionnaire

1 posted on 02/06/2014 1:39:16 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

Comment at the site by an MD :

Speaking as a physician, I feel that (barring very particular circumstances) an MD asking you about whether you have firearms has way too much time on his or her hands. Or some political axe to grind, in which case find yourself another doctor. In the 15 minutes (or less) we typically have to see a patient, just finding out about the reason for the visit, and actually important preventative stuff such as smoking, blood pressure, diabetes and physical activity take up all the allotted time.

If physicians are forced to document a discussion about firearms as a quality (i.e. physician performance) metric find one who will put in the note “We discussed health maintenance and safety issues including wearing a seat belt in automobiles, proper storage and handling of firearms, wearing a helmet when bicycling or motorcycling, and having a fire extinguisher and smoke and CO2 alarms in the home. The patient indicated s/he understood the conversation, and questions, if any, were answered to his or her satisfaction.” That’s a piece of boilerplate that then appears in EVERY patient’s note and does not indicate whether a particular patient has firearms, or indeed if s/he rides a motorcycle or bicycle.

So as not to commit fraud I would indeed say to the patient while face to face “I am obligated to say: Please wear a seatbelt in cars, a helmet while cycling, and if you have firearms handle and store them safely.” Followed by “I am happy to discuss any of those further in detail if you like, but only if you want to.” Usually people are perfectly happy to get out of the office with that.


2 posted on 02/06/2014 1:41:10 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

I live up in the San Juan islands in Washington. The last census I put down Pacific Islander for race. I haven’t heard anything.


3 posted on 02/06/2014 1:50:41 AM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: expat1000

My arms are perfectly fine.. little hairy, few scars but not on fire... hence I would have to select NO on any questionnaire.


4 posted on 02/06/2014 1:54:18 AM PST by maddog55
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To: expat1000

Let’s review real-world statistics. A guy goes in and gets asked the standard five questions.

Smoking? Oh, one cigarette a day (he really smokes a pack a day),

Illicit drugs? Oh, my goodness, never (he smoke weed four times a week, and does sixteen pain-killers a week for that high school football injury).

Alcohol? Never ever (he consumes four shots every evening and a six-pack a day).

The doctor writes this all down and it’s factual as far as he’s concerned. Most doctors will readily agree that a quarter of all patients are plain out-and-out lying (not just a fib, but big-time stuff).

So now the new questions?

Your ethnic situation? Chinese-Albanian. (you grin as you remark this)

Your gun situation? Oh my, weapons scare me (getting robbed or assaulted scares me more though).

If this were the pearly gates, and that Moses-character and several angels were standing there....yeah, I might go and be humble and honest. But I don’t need some political figure or doctor trying to be my “friend”. If I’ve come to you with a need of pain relief or some life-saving....I’d expect some relative calm, basic wit and knowledge, and hopefully you do your very best.

Somewhere down the line....if you did want my advice on digging septic tanks, turf management, or best hotel to stay at in New Orleans....I’d be happy to offer that advice and wisdom.


5 posted on 02/06/2014 1:54:54 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: expat1000

Everyone should put Black or Hispanic


6 posted on 02/06/2014 1:57:03 AM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: beelzepug

I’ve been considering a plethora of “identities” I might use when asked about sex/race/gender etc. I have currently decided to identify as a Samoan blind, quadriplegic, hermaphrodite lesbian. I may change my mind at any time and on any form, as now the gubmin’ tells us we can identify as anything we want to be at a particular moment. Has anyone else come up with good ones?


7 posted on 02/06/2014 1:59:46 AM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: expat1000

On race, just write in “human”.


8 posted on 02/06/2014 2:02:41 AM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: expat1000

Forty flavors of Asian, forty flavors of Hispanic, and one flavor of white. And hey, why aren’t Hispanic considered European white since their origin is Spain? That questionnaire makes as much sense as questions on a Common Core test


9 posted on 02/06/2014 2:03:48 AM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: beelzepug

I live up in the San Juan islands in Washington. The last census I put down Pacific Islander for race
_______________________________________

LOL

I was born in New Zealand...

I’m white ...

For years I’ve been marking Pacific islander..

:)


10 posted on 02/06/2014 2:04:00 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: pepsionice

Guns excepted, there are valid medical reasons for asking all of those questions. Answering them dishonestly can hurt you. Of course, with this administration so can answering them honestly.


11 posted on 02/06/2014 2:10:41 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Fai Mao

Put what was on Obama’s fake birth certificate: African


12 posted on 02/06/2014 2:12:25 AM PST by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: Fai Mao

I’m Native American because I have the right kind of cheek bones.


13 posted on 02/06/2014 2:17:22 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: tbpiper

..same race as Elizabeth Warren. Let them figure it out


14 posted on 02/06/2014 2:29:14 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Deaf and stupid.


15 posted on 02/06/2014 2:43:40 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy
"I’ve been considering a plethora of “identities” I might use when asked about sex/race/gender etc. I have currently decided to identify as a Samoan blind, quadriplegic, hermaphrodite lesbian. I may change my mind at any time and on any form, as now the gubmin’ tells us we can identify as anything we want to be at a particular moment. Has anyone else come up with good ones?"

I like it. Change your answer every time you go in.

16 posted on 02/06/2014 2:46:03 AM PST by Truth29
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To: FreedomStar3028

On race, just write in “human”.
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And for ethnicity, just say Native American... if born here.

The PC idiots don’t understand the difference between an American Indian (Amerind) or a Native American (anyone born in the US).

Likewise, they don’t differentiate between a black American and a person from Africa who happens to be black that has immigrated to America and became a citizen of the US.


17 posted on 02/06/2014 2:47:54 AM PST by octex
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To: Tennessee Nana

LOL! I love it!!!


18 posted on 02/06/2014 2:52:08 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: expat1000

Then everybody should say “Klingonian.”


19 posted on 02/06/2014 3:07:29 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: expat1000

This is strange because I saw an application for welfare the other day where each question had three responses you could check. Yes, No and I Do Not Want To Answer. The one that caught my eye was, “Are You A U.S. Citizen?” Yes, No, I Do Not Want To Answer.


20 posted on 02/06/2014 3:54:58 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: beelzepug
When I was in college, I was in the admissions office behind a kid whose family had immigrated from Egypt. He had checked the "African American" box.

That was about a 20 minute argument between this kid and the admissions lady with me laughing hysterically the entire time.

21 posted on 02/06/2014 3:54:59 AM PST by nonliberal (Sent from a payphone in a whorehouse in Mexico.)
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To: expat1000

On one form it ask for sex. My response was: “not very often”


22 posted on 02/06/2014 4:00:47 AM PST by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: dearolddad

Black albino


23 posted on 02/06/2014 4:06:33 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: octex

How about a white South African immigrant?
About as “African American” as you can get!


24 posted on 02/06/2014 4:09:18 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: pepsionice

Minorities and white trash also lie about their incomes or household income big time by failing to mention they have income coming in from a spouse , live-in boyfriend or girlfriend, or other family members. I am willing to bet if they did a review of EBT recipients they would catch millions of false statements in their questionairres.


25 posted on 02/06/2014 4:36:36 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: expat1000

I don’t see Swedish, English, or Irish on there. I guess I’ll be left in the corner to suffer.


26 posted on 02/06/2014 4:36:51 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: lefty-lie-spy

> I’ve been considering a plethora of “identities” I might use when asked about sex/race/gender etc. I have currently decided to identify as a Samoan blind, quadriplegic, hermaphrodite lesbian.

You would get an even higher allowance if you stated Islam as your religion...: )


27 posted on 02/06/2014 4:38:09 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: expat1000

curmudgeon


28 posted on 02/06/2014 4:40:31 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: maddog55

I wear a short sleeve shirt to exercise my right to bare arms


29 posted on 02/06/2014 4:44:01 AM PST by almcbean
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To: expat1000

But race doesn’t exist? And where are the European ethnicities?


30 posted on 02/06/2014 4:46:58 AM PST by BinaryBoy (Starve the RINOs: Not one dollar, not one vote.)
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To: expat1000

hmmmmm, I was born here so I can mark “Native American”

According to latest theory all humans came from Africa so I can mark “African American”

And of course I can mark “white”

So that gives me at least three legitimate answers to mark.

But then, as another poster mentioned, we are now allowed to identify as anything we feel we are, so maybe this week I’ll be a hispanic woman. Or a Chinese man. I don’t know. I’m so confused. Life was so much easier when you could just look in your pants to determine what you were.


31 posted on 02/06/2014 4:54:31 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Fai Mao
RE :”Everyone should put Black or Hispanic”

I was thinking the same thing.

There is no way to prove or disprove such an assertion so why not have some fun with them?

See if the doctor looks surprised.

32 posted on 02/06/2014 5:17:08 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: expat1000

I already check all the minorities on questionnaires.


33 posted on 02/06/2014 5:24:38 AM PST by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: expat1000

If Obama can be “black”, I can be “other”. But I might want to be “black”. It appears there are some advantages to being “black”, and lots of people are choosing it today.

When Obama, a man whose mother is Caucasian, and whose father was one eighth African Negro but majority Arab, can tell us in his autobiography that in his youth he struggled with his racial identity before *deciding* to be black, what is “black”?

Frankly, I never think of BHO as “black” until he brings it up, yet again. But recall the old warning that he who controls the meaning of words controls the outcome of a discussion. Just what does he mean by “black”?

When Nobel Prize winning poet Tony Morrison can write an October 1988 New Yorker article titled “Clinton as the first black president”, then what is “black”? When the NAACP calls the black conservative Kenneth Gladney, “not black enough”, and “not a brother” then what is “black”? When Time magazine’s Jack White calls Supreme Court Justice Thomas, “the scariest of all the hobgoblins”, saying “Washington seems to be filled with white men who make black people uneasy”, than what is “black”?

As these expressions of “black” pile up in the mind of the public, more and more will wake up to this truth: with respect to BHO being black: it is not about the racial characteristics he was born with, it is about the socialist ideology he adopted. It is not what percent black he is, it is about how thoroughly red he is.

Ten of the current Congressional Black Caucus are in the list of 20 biggest spenders in Congress. So, black must be the new red. I guess I’ll become “other”. That should sit well with the liberals, who are so concerned with “otherism”.


34 posted on 02/06/2014 5:44:13 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat
If Obama can be “black”, I can be “other”. But I might want to be “black”. It appears there are some advantages to being “black”, and lots of people are choosing it today.

If you can choose to be whatever "gender identity" you want I don't see any reason you shouldn't be able to identify as whatever race you want, too.

35 posted on 02/06/2014 5:49:11 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: beelzepug
I live up in the San Juan islands in Washington. The last census I put down Pacific Islander for race. I haven’t heard anything.

I worked with a guy born and raised in South Africa, who makes the full Moon on a cloudless night looks rather dark. If he even hears the word, "Sun," he burns.

Now a U.S. citizen, he can and does rightfully call himself an "African American."

As for me, I am descended from Polish and Russian Jews, and my Mexican-born wife is descended from Polish and Rumanian Jews (and she also burns at the mere mention of the Sun)...but our children are listed as "Hispanic" on all applications. Those @ssholes are going to try to divide us all up, and disadvantage my kids for something that they weren't even alive to do (sheesh, NONE of their ancestors were even in the country during slavery), then I can play their twisted game. Phuckers...what the Hell ever happened to being an American first, to acknowledging that while we are different, being American is the one thing that unifies us all??? Phucking progressives Communists.

36 posted on 02/06/2014 7:34:14 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: expat1000
RE: Gun questions from doctors

Do what I did, on the advice of our attorney:

Create a "Gun Trust". Place/transfer all firearms in either Appendix A or B (Title I and Title II firearms).

Legally and ethically, when someone asks, "Do YOU own any firearm"? You can truthfully say "NO" (because the trust owns them).

Also, when our Pedicatrican was out, my wife and I saw her partner. When she started in with the APA's anti-gun rant, the conversation went something like this:

Pediatrician:"The APA and myself recommend getting rid of all firearms in the home because your child could get hurt. Do you have any guns in your home?"

Me:"What is your malpractice insurance carrier? "

Pediatrician:"What? Why do you need that information?"

Me:"Are you ex-military, or ex-LEO, with standing credentials in firears safety from an accredited organization such as the NRA? Are you a certified firearms safety instructor?" "Are you a NRA certified Range Safety Officer"?

Pediatrician:"NO! Why?!"

Me:"You are a licensed medical doctor. I am going to write your malpractice insurance, and the medical board and tell them you are giving recommendations that you are not qualifed to give."

Pediatrician:"What are you talking about?"

Me:"You are giving recommended advice outside of your training and experience. You just told me you have no credentials in the area of firearms safety. To me that is unprofessional and unethical".

Pediatrician:"Perhaps we should just move on."

Me:"Smart move, Doc."

Guess what? When our next child went in a year later, that question/comment was NOT brought up by anyone in her doctors group.

37 posted on 02/06/2014 7:35:50 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


38 posted on 02/06/2014 7:53:50 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Ancesthntr

Quite a few imaginative responses on the race-ethnicity-gender thing. I’m thinking about how to call myself a lesbian trapped in a man’s body. That might befuddle them for awhile.


39 posted on 02/06/2014 10:57:52 AM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: theBuckwheat

It’s ironic that the far left is so preoccupied with who is or isn’t black because that is exactly what the old slave owners used to do. Slaves were valued at least in part by their degree of blackness. Full-blood africans were the least desirable. Then you had mulattos, quadroons, octoroons, and the lightest which was often referred to as a high yeller. I used to work with one of those, he had red hair and freckles.

If people of African decent would ever wake up and realize that the left is grading them out like eggs or potatoes, it would be the end or their undying loyalty to the democrat party.


40 posted on 02/06/2014 11:16:31 AM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: beelzepug
I live up in the San Juan islands in Washington. The last census I put down Pacific Islander for race.

You told the truth. For the same reason, I can specify "Native American." I was born in the USA.

41 posted on 02/06/2014 11:21:38 AM PST by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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To: expat1000

Another option is to select a race from the Lord of the Rings. I guess I would be a half-orc.


42 posted on 02/06/2014 11:26:35 AM PST by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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