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JW Gets Map of Military Fleet Positions During Benghazi Attack
Judicial Watch ^ | 2/12/14 | staff

Posted on 02/12/2014 12:37:05 PM PST by Nachum

The U.S. military had a multitude of forces in the region surrounding Libya when terrorists attacked the Special Mission in Benghazi and murdered four Americans, according to an unclassified Navy map obtained by Judicial Watch this week.

The map features the Navy fleet positions in the North Africa Area of Responsibility (AOR) on September 11, 2012, the day Islamic jihadists raided the U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, the first diplomat to be killed overseas in decades, and three other Americans were murdered in the violent ambush.

Dozens of vessels were stationed in the region on that day, including two aircraft carriers (Dwight D. Eisenhower and Enterprise), four amphibious ships, 13 destroyers, three cruisers and more than a dozen other smaller Navy boats as well as a command ship. Carriers are warships, the powerhouse of the naval fleet with a full-length flight deck for aircraft operations. During the Benghazi attack, two carriers were based to the east in the Arabian Sea, the Navy map shows.

Two amphibious assault ships (Iwo Jima and Gunston Hill) were situated to the east in the Gulf of Oman and one (New York) was in the Gulf of Aden, the map shows. A fourth (Fort McHenry) was located on the west side of the African continent in the Atlantic Ocean. Amphibious ships resemble small aircraft carriers and have air-craft strips for vertical and short take-offs and landings. The destroyers are scattered throughout the region, but the closest appear to be four (Cole, Forrest Sherman, Jason Dunham and Aboon) in the Mediterranean Sea north of Libya. The rest of the fleet includes cruisers, minesweepers, patrols and a command ship.

The map was provided to Judicial Watch by retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Randall R. Schmidt, who is investigating how the military responded

(Excerpt) Read more at judicialwatch.org ...


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KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazicoverup; benghazigate; benghazirescue; fleet; judicialwatch; jw; map; military
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What difference does it make!
1 posted on 02/12/2014 12:37:05 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 02/12/2014 12:37:34 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Travis McGee

“Cross Border Authority” ping ....


3 posted on 02/12/2014 12:39:48 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Nachum

after a General Quarters Call then they were less than thirty to forty minutes away .... this explains why targets were painted ... fully....(imho).


4 posted on 02/12/2014 12:41:06 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Nachum
Let me be first to say this: POTUS had no cajones to issue orders for a cross border operation. That is why Americans died.

5.56mm

5 posted on 02/12/2014 12:41:23 PM PST by M Kehoe
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6 posted on 02/12/2014 12:42:49 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Nachum

I’d venture that a single low level supersonic pass would have broken the back of the assault. (And quite a few ear drums and windows)


7 posted on 02/12/2014 12:43:15 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: Nachum

Would like the questions asked

“How did you know how long the attack would last?”

“Why did you intentionally mislead us by blaming a youtube video?”


8 posted on 02/12/2014 12:43:40 PM PST by Principled
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To: Nachum

Standing up to liberal lies is the only chance we’ve got... not that it’ll stop the New York Times from lying their asses off about Benghazi... But it will shame them when the truth overwhelms their lies. Just like with collective farm successes in the old USSR... it’s gonna bite ‘em.


9 posted on 02/12/2014 12:44:05 PM PST by GOPJ ("Washington Redskins" - Keep the Name. Change the mascot to a potato. - FR hoosiermama)
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To: Principled

The only thing I hope to hear said to the _resident:

“You have the right to remain silent....”


10 posted on 02/12/2014 12:44:58 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

11 posted on 02/12/2014 12:45:57 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: Nachum

Looks like there were three Destroyers nearby, including the USS Cole.


12 posted on 02/12/2014 12:46:41 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: reagandemocrat

Make that FOUR Destroyers, an Oiler and a Command Ship.


13 posted on 02/12/2014 12:49:29 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: Nachum
It is no wonder zer0 had to replace Generals after Benghazi. I do not blame General Hamm or his command but can understand how zer0 and his crowd could threaten and intimidate General Hamm and his family. I agree Nachum ... I too would love to be there when zer0 is told ... you have the right to remain silent. It would be justice.
14 posted on 02/12/2014 12:52:54 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Nachum

Impeach Obama in 2014, PERIOD!


15 posted on 02/12/2014 12:53:56 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Nachum

Map shows no significant air assets capable of long range transport at sea. And no units with significant ground units anywhere near.

If there was an amphibious task force near Libya, loaded with Marines, that would be significant. But apparently there wasn’t anything like that.

The closest ship was a destroyer at Suda Bay, Crete. That would have a couple of helicopters probably without the range to get to Benghazi without refueling, and they would have had to send some of the sailors as IIRC there aren’t usually Marines assigned to them.

Most likely direct intervention would still have been whatever was available in Sicily.

The biggest failure here was the ignored warnings and denied security requests from the ambassador to the State Department.


16 posted on 02/12/2014 12:54:04 PM PST by buwaya
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To: null and void

Good one!!!


17 posted on 02/12/2014 12:58:18 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Nachum

6th Fleet was monitoring the situation in Benghazi from the beginning. The commander had an intervention ready to launch in less than twenty minutes. Until that commander testifies freely and fully, the real story remains untold.


18 posted on 02/12/2014 12:58:26 PM PST by allendale
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To: Nachum

Once the US government had the TRUST of its citizens.

No more. Not ever.

Nothing would stand in the way of getting 20,000 MANPADs
to al Qaeda by Obama.

Not even the public rape of an Ambassador.

In fact, Obama was gleeful, because just maybe, the
Blind Sheik would go free.


19 posted on 02/12/2014 12:58:33 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: MestaMachine

Ping.


20 posted on 02/12/2014 1:07:11 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: M Kehoe

The traitorous bastard wasn’t available- he was in a very private conference with Doug Shulman.


21 posted on 02/12/2014 1:10:33 PM PST by matthew fuller
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To: Nachum

9/11/2012 seems to be a ‘perfect storm ‘ of U.S. Gov /Mil incompetence and negligence / neglect . For which very few ( if any) have been directly held responsible .
No carrier in the Med to back up any hot spots ? With all the Arab Spring BS brewing? No QRF’s on fast stand-by ?

Read the House Majority Staff Benghazi Report ( in full)

Heads must roll . From the bottom to the top . This is the downfall of a U.S. President and eliminates all possibility that another should ever stand as a candidate .


22 posted on 02/12/2014 1:13:47 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: reagandemocrat
Make that FOUR Destroyers, an Oiler and a Command Ship.

Useless for the mission profile needed. The Iwo Jima by itself has a Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), more than capable of doing the mission (I did 2 tours in such). But they were too far off.

Interesting that State didn't ask for a Marine unit to be close by with they type of threats they were receiving.

23 posted on 02/12/2014 1:17:44 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Nachum

Exactly. What difference does it make? The GOP has already vindicated the administration. They might as well campaign for hillary.


24 posted on 02/12/2014 1:18:46 PM PST by jersey117
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To: no-to-illegals

Who was 30 to 40 minutes away?


25 posted on 02/12/2014 1:21:38 PM PST by kabar
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To: jersey117

Have they? ...or did the MSM twist a term of art to mean something it doesn’t?

An order to stay in place is not an order to stand down...but it still stops the unit from moving to assist.


26 posted on 02/12/2014 1:23:30 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: reagandemocrat

What do you mean by “nearby.” Souda Bay is 300 nautical miles from Benghazi.


27 posted on 02/12/2014 1:27:06 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

NO ONE KNEW HOW MUCH TIME WAS NEEDED
unless they are part of the treason.


28 posted on 02/12/2014 1:33:32 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: kabar

jets


29 posted on 02/12/2014 1:34:50 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Diogenesis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFf0dUH3OtU


31 posted on 02/12/2014 1:45:35 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Diogenesis

True enough, but I don’t see how any destroyers could have been used in a timely fashion.


32 posted on 02/12/2014 1:51:34 PM PST by kabar
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To: no-to-illegals

Jets from where?


33 posted on 02/12/2014 1:52:34 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

now that you are asking me to nail down fleet movements on and before that night .... I’ll digress.


34 posted on 02/12/2014 1:54:05 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Nachum
There are no legitimate excuses for not attempting a rescue/support mission.
Four died but 41 lives hung in the balance.

Here is a video of Rep. Chaffetz saying that Gen. Ham, commander of AFRICOM at that time, told him that assets were near enough to help and ready to go.

AFRICOM leader General Carter Ham was never given the order to secure the consulate in Benghazi. Youtube 1:43

Adm. James Lyons (Ret.) on Growing Benghazi Scandal

ADMIRAL LYONS: …All those comforting words that “We don’t want to put our forces at risk.” We had people at risk—they were crying for help! In a situation, you go with the resources you have available—and, in this particular case, we did have that 130-man Marine force recon team sitting there at Sigonella. Even if I only got 50 of them over there, that would have been significant in turning the situation around. We may not have been able to save the ambassador, but we certainly could have saved those other two SEALs that were over on the annex.

ADMIRAL LYONS: In perpetuating this lie, we also had administration officials lying to Congressional committees. That’s a felony. So, “What difference does it make?” It makes all the difference in the world. You cannot flaunt the truth here, just walk away from it and, basically, tell the American public to stuff it. That’s not acceptable.

The point on the organizing the two Marine anti-terrorist teams in Rota, that was good to go ahead and stand ’em up. What I find incomprehensible: The first team, it took them 23 hours to go a few hundred miles from Rota to Tripoli. I could go around the world in 23 hours, so that makes absolutely no sense to me.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the assets were in motion preparing to receive an order to go.

In-extremis forces are prepared to deploy 24/7/365 and have been since the early '80s. Here is the testimony of a former SEAL who was part of one of those teams in the early days. On FR we know him as Travis McGee.

To: tobyhill

Long ago I was a SEAL officer and I attended many joint and combined operational planning meetings in the USA, abroad, and on ships at sea. This type of rescue mission is called a “NEO” operation, for Non-combatant Evacuation Operation. Every embassy and consulate has and practices all kinds of emergency evac plans, in concert with the US military.

For example, Marines and SEALs practice NEO ops prior to deploying on every float, as a VERY high priority mission. They involve full dress-rehearsals, with civilian role players, helos, landing craft, rounding up stranded stragglers, opfor ambushes, role-playing “angry mobs,” fighting your way to LZs or even beaches while protecting a gaggle of civilians down to babies etc. Conducting successful NEO ops is a TOP TOP TOP military and state department mission priority. I cannot emphasize this enough. NEO ops are planned and practiced over and over and over.

When the alarm goes off worldwide that an embassy or consulate is being attacked, the entire U.S. military swings into rescue mode, without waiting for any orders from the White House. The military does all of the operational planning and begins to execute the rescue op.

The one thing they CAN’T do is cross an international border without permission from POTUS. So the US Military will be inbound full-steam-ahead to make the rescue, and all they need from POTUS is a “proceed” order. In this case, they got a “stand down” instead.

This is at the POTUS level, it is not a decision taken at State. State and the military (JCS) should be in the Situation Room with POTUS soon after a critical incident like this begins, so all decisions can be made in real time. (I have heard nowhere that POTUS went into the Situation Room at all. Apparently he went to the Oval Office briefly, but not down to the Situation Room, where the “war planning” screens, full staffs and commo tools are all located for dealing with a major crisis.)

But if POTUS punts after a brief Oval Office meeting with Dempsey and Hillary and goes upstairs to the family quarters....the stranded Americans will die.

Only POTUS can give the order to cross international borders. Only POTUS can allow US warplanes to give air support to Americans battling on the ground in a foreign country. If POTUS makes himself unavailable, the Americans will die.

Even the VEEP or Secretary of State cannot make that call. The VEEP can only do it if the POTUS is determined to be medically unable to perform his functions. If the POTUS goes upstairs and turns off his phone, there is nothing anybody can do about it. Nothing. And the besieged Americans will die.

On Friday an anonymous Pentagon insider (”Doug”) called into Rush with a lot of new details about this disgraceful fiasco. But what we really need now is for a high-ranking officer with insider knowledge to go public, risk his pension and career, and tell the truth.

The blame for this humiliating and shameful national disgrace is pointing directly at the POTUS, and America needs to know why the inbound rescue operation was aborted.

12 posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:11:02 AM by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)

More from Travis McGee...

How the military preps.

Cross Border Authority.

36 posted on 02/12/2014 2:21:14 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: no-to-illegals
We do know there were two "unarmed" drones over the area with one relieving the other. I have always thought that at least one of the drones was armed, but we have denied it because of our concern about bilateral relations with Libya.

Jets could have been sent from Italy, but we would have needed Obama to approve entry into Libyan airspace without their approval.

My biggest problem with Benghazi was that we were even there. Not only were the facilities below required security standards, but the fact that we could not depend on the host government to provide the needed protection should have caused us to leave. The host government is our primary defense and we should never have a diplomatic facility where that is not the case. The host government had ample time, over 8 hours, to send protection to the annex after the attack on the mission.

37 posted on 02/12/2014 2:21:56 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Obama to approve entry

And there is our answer of whom had the authority to order a Stand Down. Have no doubt we could have rescued those four Men. zer0 had to continue though to set up what he was promised which was a deal. All that was done and said from the zer0 crowd was simply a ruse. The media still perplexes me though. Soon it will be their journalists being killed. That deal will probably wait though till a republican can be blamed. moslems are stupid but they play both sides against the middle and the moslems perceive the middle to be the media, in our nation.

38 posted on 02/12/2014 2:28:31 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: kabar
the fact that we could not depend on the host government to provide the needed protection

My agreement ... somewhere back around the beginning of Egypt's ruckus, I was for and am still for leaving the entire area and pulling all money from them and forcing them to fend for themselves. We eventually will have to return but let them kill each other for a while before they eventually get back around to us ... is my theory. So therefore ... we are in greater agreement the more we type.

39 posted on 02/12/2014 2:32:36 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals
I served over 21 years at 7 different US Embassies. The Regional Security Officers worked for me. The host government is ultimately responsible for providing for our security. We can buy time thru good physical security and the MSGs, but the host government must be relied upon to come to our aid.

From the documents I have read along with published reports, it was apparent that the host government was incapable of providing the requisite security support. It was acknowledged long before the attack. We should not have been there.

Egypt is another matter. They did and could provide security when requested.

40 posted on 02/12/2014 2:48:51 PM PST by kabar
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To: Nachum

The enemy killed four Americans and ran us out of Benghazi. To this day, what has been done to send a message to our enemies that they would pay dearly for trying to do this again?


41 posted on 02/12/2014 3:49:12 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Nachum

Benghazi is in North Africa. Carthage was in North Africa. Can anyone find Carthage on a map? Seen any photos of Carthage? Carthage laid a couple of big defeats on the superpower of their time...Rome. I can fly to Rome and take photos. Nobody even knows where Carthage was. There’s a lesson there for us. I’d be willing to pay for a few bags of salt for Benghazi.


42 posted on 02/12/2014 3:56:15 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: buwaya

one of the questions asked at the link is where was the JC Stennis Aircraft carrier.
Apparently it was enroute to relieve the Enterprise.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/where.htm


43 posted on 02/12/2014 5:24:40 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Nachum; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


44 posted on 02/12/2014 5:42:32 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Nachum
The only thing I hope to hear said to the _resident:

“You have the right to remain silent....”

To hell with Miranda rights. Waterboard his terrorist enabling ass.

45 posted on 02/12/2014 5:46:30 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Salvavida

How many hours does it take to fly from McDill to Benghazi?


46 posted on 02/12/2014 6:22:28 PM PST by GOPJ ("Washington Redskins" - Keep the Name. Change the mascot to a potato. - FR hoosiermama)
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To: GOPJ
How many hours does it take to fly from McDill to Benghazi?

Not sure where you are going with that question. Depends on the aircraft and mission profile. What does that have to do with Benghazi? The operational forces do not come from McDill. Libya is AFRICOM's AOR. SOCOM units would already be at a FOB within the AOR.

47 posted on 02/12/2014 7:29:07 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: buwaya
Map shows no significant air assets capable of long range transport at sea. And no units with significant ground units anywhere near.

It appears your post has gone over like a fart in church. No matter how much we may want to slam the administration over their lack of response, if this map is correct, your analysis is correct-no naval units were in a position for any kind of timely response. Referencing amphibious ships in the Gulf of Aden and Gulf of Oman as the original post does only indicates ignorance of their capabilities.

The biggest failure here was the ignored warnings and denied security requests from the ambassador to the State Department.

Yep.

48 posted on 02/12/2014 8:20:01 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: GATOR NAVY

I guess.
If the map is correct then it just shows that the Navy had nothing afloat near enough to help. It does not show what other military resources were available.
The nearest significant US base was Sigonella in Sicily, which may have had some special forces people and transport aircraft suitable for the mission. These may be what Gen. Ham may have referred to, unless there were some secret squirrels in less well known places. Sicily would be much closer than AFRICOMs bases in Stuttgart or Djibouti. Flight time would vary with the asset, plus lead time of course, and decision cycle time, so I expect that if assets were available at Sigonella and a mission approved promptly they would have arrived at best three hours after the attack.
If it were me deciding I would have approved the mission, if one were immediately feasible. If nothing else it would have shown the flag. I would also have packed Benghazi harbor in the following few days with those destroyers and done the gunboat diplomacy thing.
But given the timeline of the embassy attack its pretty clear that anyone not already on the spot could not have saved the ambassador.


49 posted on 02/12/2014 9:10:53 PM PST by buwaya
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To: kabar

I understand you sentiment regarding Egypt. When the moslem brotherhood took over as was apparent; It was time to go (imho). I was of the opinion we should have left earlier. I realize the Egyptian People did fight back against the moslem brotherhood, technically, without our help thanks to the political powers that be we funneled countless amounts of money to the moslem brotherhood through hillary’s State Department, panetta at Defense and zer0 with the approval of congress to keep the moslem brotherhood in power. Since moslems play both ends of the candle against the middle of the candle, I’m uncomfortable with not only our powers that be here but also the powers that be throughout the region. In Syria, I dislike asad immensely, but still prefer the devil we know instead of the devil lurking to overthrow him. Know I went from Egypt to Syria and did not mention Lebanon or Libya but I am of the opinion we should leave the region to its own, including the Saudis. Iran ... would allow Israel to do what they must and if we should need to become involved as we should have earlier and did not thanks to once more the powers that be, (imho) our powers that be have made too many mistakes and eventually (imho) the region will become more rabid. But that is only my opinion.


50 posted on 02/13/2014 4:05:27 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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