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RAND PAUL: SECURE THE BORDER FIRST
Big Government ^ | 12 Jun 2013 | MIKE FLYNN

Posted on 02/15/2014 4:11:46 AM PST by neverdem

In a speech on Wednesday, Sen. Rand Paul outlined his views on immigration reform. Acknowledging the need for some legalization process for the 12 million illegal immigrants already here, Paul stressed that border security had to come first. Under Paul's plan, legalization wouldn't even be considered by Congress until the border was secured. This contrasts sharply with the approach outlined this week by Sen. Rubio, who said legalization had to come first.

Paul's plan would direct the Border Patrol and an Inspector General to certify to Congress when the border is secure. To verify that the border is secure, the report would have to be approved by Congress. Once that is accomplished, currently illegal immigrants could apply for probationary work visas.

This process of legalization, however, wouldn't happen all at once for the 12 million illegal immigrants. Each year, a bi-partisan panel would determine the number of work visas available. Congress would also have to annually review and re-certify that the border remained secure...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; california; immigration; mexico; newmexico; randpaul; randsconcerntrolls; texas
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1 posted on 02/15/2014 4:11:47 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Borders MUST be secure FIRST! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


2 posted on 02/15/2014 4:17:06 AM PST by DeaconRed (Back to basics: FUBO)
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To: neverdem

Rubio must think he has influence in this matter. He doesn’t.


3 posted on 02/15/2014 4:18:40 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

rubio is in the same league as chuck schumer and harry reid... I do not trust him and NEVER will again. rubio is a bushite.


4 posted on 02/15/2014 4:20:08 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: txrefugee

Rand is just an idiot on immigration... rubio is an enemy agent.


5 posted on 02/15/2014 4:20:43 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

They broke the law.


6 posted on 02/15/2014 4:22:21 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: neverdem

..don’t matter, they will agree like they did with Reagan. Then they’ll fight the law and the border will be just as secured as it is today....US citizen will be stuck with the decision to let illegals suck the live out of the US. Comprehensive immigration laws will be ignored, they will be VOTING AS ILLEGALS WITH A YEAR.


7 posted on 02/15/2014 4:24:58 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: neverdem

Yeah, that’ll sure prevent them from harming innocent Americans. If they truly want to be citizens, they can do what other law abiding people do—go through legal channels to gain citizenship. American families should be the American government’s top priority.


8 posted on 02/15/2014 4:25:15 AM PST by Politicalkiddo (Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crused it. -M. Twain)
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To: Doogle

WITHIN A YEAR


9 posted on 02/15/2014 4:25:48 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: neverdem

The border must be secured before any law regarding illegal immigrants is even passed. If it is part of a new law it is the part that will instantly wither the day after enactment and will be a null provision.


10 posted on 02/15/2014 4:27:00 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt'sBorder myu Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Rand is right on this—secure the border! Put up a wall! Even if it costs millions—in the end it will save money and lives. Put up mines, barb wire, motes with Alagators! Electric fences—what ever it takes to seal the border. Do it now it will be hard, but harder still when terrorists move an a-bomb over the border and take out Houston or something. I believe we need a new broanch of the Military—The Border Guard—like the Coast Guard but on land. Their job to protect the borders with tanks, armored cars, planes, etc...


11 posted on 02/15/2014 4:28:17 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: neverdem
Under Paul's plan, legalization wouldn't even be considered by Congress until the border was secured...would direct the Border Patrol and an Inspector General to certify to Congress when the border is secure.

And what happens if the border does not get secured or if the Inspector General is an Obama sycophant and LIES? Does the IG go to jail?

12 posted on 02/15/2014 4:29:28 AM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: neverdem

I agree with security, but it must be border, coast, air, and visa control.

Next, there’s absolutely no way we should EVER grant other than temporary worker entrance or full immigration status to any foreigner. Period. It will eventually be declared unconstitutional to have someone in this country on a status that forbids their application for citizenship. It will be called a form of slavery.


13 posted on 02/15/2014 4:30:23 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: neverdem

How many years has this “12 million” figure been in use? An entire decade? More? Is it one of those numbers that everybody just uses because everybody uses it? It’s got to be more like 20 million.


14 posted on 02/15/2014 4:30:36 AM PST by jiggyboy
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To: neverdem
I'll say this for Senator Paul. From the headline, he knows precisely where to find the pulse. Secured and with security that's verifiable.

I'll know it's verifiable when the corrupt kleptocracy in the Valley of Mexico is threatening war, not just "La Raza.".

15 posted on 02/15/2014 4:31:43 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: neverdem

Been ther, done that-—and all we got were more ILLEGALS while the big kahunas decide whether to enforce it or not. Now we have the pos in chief who will simply use his pen to legalize all of them.


16 posted on 02/15/2014 4:31:48 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Put up a wall!

In the middle of the river?

17 posted on 02/15/2014 4:33:44 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: DeaconRed
Borders MUST be secure FIRST! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

The borders can be secured in a day.

And then left unsecured the day after the vote.

18 posted on 02/15/2014 4:34:10 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: humblegunner

A sniper produced wall will bring crossings to a screeching halt.

Al that is needed is to declare illegal crossings and act of war


19 posted on 02/15/2014 4:36:18 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: neverdem
Securing the border is a red herring, not that we shouldn't try, but it's an impossible task unless we place massive resources on it... which we aren't going to...

We need to decentify the illegals to cross over and employers to hire them.....

1. You get caught here illegally...straight back home no questions asked...
2. Absolutely no local, state, federal bennies allowed...
3. An employer hires an illegal, bone crushing penalties...
4. Expired visa...sent home immediately...

For the "Dream Kids" who through no fault on their own as children are here...Give them temporary visa and three years to apply for and win citizenship...if not put on a bus back to whatever hell hole their parents come from

20 posted on 02/15/2014 4:40:19 AM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bert

That’ll work.

I just get amused at the blanket “wall” wailings that totally disregard the fact that the border is a river in Texas.

One that we can’t afford to wall off.


21 posted on 02/15/2014 4:41:42 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Secure the border! Import Aligators to the Rio Grand River! Get the Gator Boys to ship them down!


22 posted on 02/15/2014 4:45:35 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: humblegunner

A few years ago we wondered about all this wall and immigration business.

First, we went to Arizona and drove as near to the border as we could get from Gillette to Nogales. It is mile after mile of pretty much nothing. For much of the way there is barbwire. There could be a wall, but real law enforcement with lots of officers and punishment would be much better.

Another year, we drove down the Rio Grande from Presidio Texas to Brownsville. Part of that is Big Bend and you can’t to close to the river. The thought of a wall along the river is ludicrous.


23 posted on 02/15/2014 5:00:34 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

“Secure the border first”?

Good luck with that.


24 posted on 02/15/2014 5:03:43 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: bert
Part of that is Big Bend and you can’t to close to the river.

Rafted down that part a couple of times.

Santa Elena canyon is amazing.


25 posted on 02/15/2014 5:05:01 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

——Santa Elena canyon is amazing.-—

Yep


26 posted on 02/15/2014 5:07:44 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: neverdem
Paul's plan would direct the Border Patrol and an Inspector General to certify to Congress when the border is secure. To verify that the border is secure, the report would have to be approved by Congress. Once that is accomplished, currently illegal immigrants could apply for probationary work visas.

So what is the status of enforcement and deportation during this period of securing the border? This is more sophistry from Paul. And securing the border only solves part of the problem. 40% of the lawbreakers came here legally and overstayed their visas.

27 posted on 02/15/2014 5:14:12 AM PST by kabar
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To: arthurus

So why do we need another law? Securing the border is and has been a government responsibility. And we have laws on enforcement and deportation. Shouldn’t those meet the same kind of test as border security?


28 posted on 02/15/2014 5:16:29 AM PST by kabar
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To: neverdem

I am all FOR completely sealing the borders first and foremost. After that is accomplished, then I’d be willing to discuss a means of identifying, rounding up, and humanely repatriating these invaders back into Mexico.


29 posted on 02/15/2014 5:26:24 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: neverdem

http://www.illegalimmigrationcosts.com
http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org

R.I.P. innocents

TREASON - continuous, in-your-face, agency-abetted, representative-enabled, media-complicit, agenda-driven, ongoing...


30 posted on 02/15/2014 5:31:32 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Popman
Securing the border is a red herring, not that we shouldn't try, but it's an impossible task unless we place massive resources on it... which we aren't going to...

How much is "massive?" Illegal aliens cost us well over $100 billion a year not to mention the societal costs of drugs that are smuggled across the border or the national security concerns of terrorists coming thru the border.

For the "Dream Kids" who through no fault on their own as children are here...Give them temporary visa and three years to apply for and win citizenship...if not put on a bus back to whatever hell hole their parents come from

Amnesty? Why should we provide amnesty to these so-called children? Right now Obama's backdoor amnesty allows "children" up to the age of 30 to apply and they could have been brought here up till the age of 16. They are given work permits and allowed to compete against Americans for jobs.

Once these estimated 1.8 million Dreamers are legalized and made citizens, they can sponsor their relatives to come here including siblings, parents, cousins, etc. And what do we do with the parents of the Dreamers? Deport them? How can we do that if we want to keep families together?

And will this Dreamer amnesty be forever, i.e, a rolling amnesty? When you set the precedent that any illegal alien coming here with children can expect their children to gain legalization and citizenship, then you will get many more coming here. We already have 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies born in this country every year. One out of every ten children born in this country has an illegal alien parent. Most of the costs are paid by Medicaid for these new instant citizens who also become eligible for food stamps, welfare payments, etc.

Legalizing the Dreamers is a very bad idea. This "no fault of their own" is pure nonsense. We put US citizen parents in jail when they commit crimes. Their children must bear the consequences of their actions. And these "poor children" enjoy all the benefits of living in one of the richest countries in the world. Taxpayer paid educations, medical care, clean water, dependable electricity, etc. These children are not victims, they are winners who have a far better life than most of the billions of children in the world. When you reward something, you get more of it.

31 posted on 02/15/2014 5:39:39 AM PST by kabar
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To: neverdem
Acknowledging the need for some legalization process for the 12 million illegal immigrants already here,

We do need better border and interior security. We do NOT need legalization for the current crop of illegals.

We do not need to becaome a police state and round these illegals up. We need to cut off freebies to them and we do need to deport them as we encounter them.

32 posted on 02/15/2014 5:42:10 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Liz; AuntB; La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker

PING


33 posted on 02/15/2014 5:42:37 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: humblegunner

No sane person is talking about the construction of a wall along the entire border. Physical barriers are just ways to reduce the amount of people needed to secure the border. It will be a combination of physical barriers, sensors, cameras, drones, etc.


34 posted on 02/15/2014 5:47:18 AM PST by kabar
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To: humblegunner; Forward the Light Brigade

FLB: Put up a wall!

HG: In the middle of the river?
__________________________________________

No just build the fence that Rep Duncan Hunter wanted..

with the 2 fence design like the one in Israel...

that Congress voted for and with the money the House Appropriations agreed on...

years ago..

You remember, part of the fence was already built in the San Diego area before 2008 and Willard used it for his campaign as though it was all his idea..

Because Congressman Duncan was his Conservative opponent for the GOP nomination...

that fence..


35 posted on 02/15/2014 5:53:52 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
No just build the fence that Rep Duncan Hunter wanted..
with the 2 fence design like the one in Israel...

In the middle of the river? Or on our side?

On our side you say?

Interesting. That pretty much cedes the whole river to the Mexicans.

Tell me, do, what role the river plays in the economics of the region.

You surely have considered this, since you seem willing to gift the Mexicans with it.

36 posted on 02/15/2014 5:57:58 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: neverdem

Why does our government refuse to secure our borders?


37 posted on 02/15/2014 5:58:14 AM PST by abclily
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To: neverdem
This contrasts sharply with the approach outlined this week by Sen. Rubio, who said legalization had to come first.

Senator Rubio?

Who is he?

Wasn't he considered important at one time for about 5 minutes?


38 posted on 02/15/2014 6:02:08 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: neverdem

You will never secure the border without first getting rid of an administration that refuses to enforce existing laws, much less the Constitution. Why impeachment proceedings for President Obama and Attorney General Holder have not been filed remains a mystery or perhaps is the result of the “race card” and white guilt. I’m tired of discussing issues such as these and would like to find a person or organization willing to take action to either save the United States or take steps for an equitable distribution of states. Today we see the “commerce clause” used to spread immoral and corrupt behavior that originates on the West Coast or Northeast. All of this backed by a legal system of political appointees who fail to honor their pledge to support the Constitution. Enough is enough!


39 posted on 02/15/2014 6:03:26 AM PST by Boomer One
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To: humblegunner

No dear Humble..

the part of the border which is land...

and there are hundreds of miles of it..


40 posted on 02/15/2014 6:03:58 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
and there are hundreds of miles of it..

Not in Texas. River all the way.

OUR river.

41 posted on 02/15/2014 6:05:24 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

I know the money was agreed on by Appropriations...

MY own TN-3 congressman at the time Zack Wamp was on that committee and he voted for it...


42 posted on 02/15/2014 6:07:11 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: humblegunner

Then control your river...

stop the illegal aliens from crossing there...


43 posted on 02/15/2014 6:08:22 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: neverdem

Rubio’s goals are obvious.


44 posted on 02/15/2014 6:22:28 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Tennessee Nana
stop the illegal aliens from crossing there...

Good plan, but it isn't going to done with a wall or a fence that cuts off river access.

45 posted on 02/15/2014 6:23:41 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: LibLieSlayer

Really? And an idiot on Immigration will destroy AMERICA and the AMERICAN WORKER.

And you are down playing it and giving him a pass?

Last time I checked, I am an AMERICAN worker! Aren’t You?

What about your fellow Black, white, asian, Hispanic brother and sister fellow Americans, are you throwing them under the bus allong with Rand Paul?

He is a TRAITOR to my fellow Americans who are in the middle of the Secong Great Depression.


46 posted on 02/15/2014 6:31:44 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: DeaconRed

BULL$HIT!

I was on the American Mexican Border with the Minutemen in 2005, we screamed and yelled about the border in 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 and NOTHING has been done. It is a NATIONIAL SECURITY ISSUE!

The Republicans have done absolutely NOTHING, and NOW your going to feed me this bullshit?

SHAME ON YOU!


47 posted on 02/15/2014 6:34:55 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: jiggyboy

NO SIR! 40 Million.


48 posted on 02/15/2014 6:36:04 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Rand is just an idiot on immigration... rubio is an enemy agent>>>>>>>

Correct and Paul Ryan is retarded as in Jack Kemp style retarded. Plus a creature of the US Chamber of Commerce. Local chapters differ on this open doors traitorousness


49 posted on 02/15/2014 6:36:36 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: abclily

They are getting to much throw back money from the drug cartell


50 posted on 02/15/2014 6:37:16 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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