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Spain:Muslim Groups Demand Citizenship for Millions(Based on Law for Citizenship of Expelled Jews)
The Clarion Project ^ | February 23, 2014 | BY SOEREN KERN

Posted on 02/23/2014 4:26:46 PM PST by lbryce

Original Title:Spain: Muslim Groups Demand Citizenship for Millions

The demands are for descendants of Muslims expelled from Spain in the Middle Ages when Muslim invaders were kicked out by Christians.

Muslim groups are demanding Spanish citizenship for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

The growing clamor for "historical justice" comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492.

Muslim supporters say they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

But historians point out that the Jewish presence in Spain predates the arrival of Christianity in the country and that their expulsion was a matter of bigotry. By contrast, the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language. Historians say their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.

In any event, the descendants of Muslims expelled from Spain are believed to number in the millions—possibly tens of millions—and most of them now live in North Africa. Observers say that by granting citizenship to all of them, Spain, virtually overnight, would end up with the largest Muslim population in the European Union.

Much of the Iberian Peninsula was occupied by Muslim conquerors known as the Moors from 711 until 1492, when the Moorish Kingdom of Granada surrendered to the Catholic Monarchs of Spain (Isabella I of Castile and Ferdinand II of Aragon), in what is known as the Christian Reconquest.

But the final Muslim expulsion from Granada did not take place until over a century later, beginning in 1609, when King Philip III decreed the expulsion of the Moriscos.

The Moriscos—Moors who decided to convert to Catholicism after the Reconquest rather than leave Spain—were suspected of being nominal Catholics who continued to practice Islam in secret. From 1609 through 1614, the Spanish monarchy forced an estimated 350,000 Moriscos to leave Spain for Muslim North Africa.

Today, up to five million descendants of the Moriscos are living in Morocco alone; there are millions more living in Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Mauritania, Tunisia and Turkey.

In a recent essay published by the Morocco-based newspaper Correo Diplomático, the Morisco-Moroccan journalist Ahmed Bensalh wrote that the "decision to grant Spanish citizenship to the grandchildren of the Hebrews in Spain in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, while ignoring the Moriscos, the grandsons of the Muslims, is without doubt, flagrant segregation and unquestionable discrimination, as both communities suffered equally in Spain at that time. The decision could also be considered by the international community to be an historic act of absolute immorality and injustice...This decision is absolutely disgraceful and dishonorable."

Bensalh then went on to threaten Spain: "Is Spain aware of what might be assumed when it makes peace with some and not with others? Is Spain aware of what this decision could cost? Has Spain considered that it could jeopardize the massive investments that Muslims have made on its territory? Does Spain have alternatives to the foreign investment from Muslims if they ever decide to move that capital to other destinations due to the discrimination against Muslims?"

Bensalh is one of many Muslim journalists, historians and academics who are demanding that Spain treat Moriscos the same way it treats Sephardic Jews.

Consider Jamal Bin Ammar al-Ahmar, an "Andalus-Algerian" university professor at the Ferhat Abbas University in Sétif in northeastern Algeria. Al-Ahmar has been engaged in a six-year campaign to persuade Spanish King Juan Carlos to identify and condemn those who expelled the Muslims from Al-Andalus in the fifteenth century. Al-Ahmar is also demanding that millions of descendants of the Moriscos expelled from Spain be allowed to return there.

In a letter addressed to the Spanish monarch, Al-Ahmar calls for a "full legal and historical investigation of the war crimes that were perpetrated on the Muslim population of Andalusia by the French, English, European and papal crusaders, whose victims were our poor miserable people, after the collapse of Islamic rule in Andalusia."

The letter speaks of "the injustice inflicted on the Muslim population of Andalusia who are still suffering in the diaspora in exile since 1492."

Al-Ahmar wants the Spanish monarch to apologize "on behalf of his ancestors" and to assume "responsibility for the consequences" this would entail. He says it is necessary "to identify criminals, to convict retroactively, while at the same time to identify and compensate victims for their calamities and restore their titles." This process would culminate with "a decree that allows immigrants to return to their homes in Andalusia, and grant them full citizenship rights and restoration of all their properties."

The Moroccan historian Hasan Aourid believes Spain has a policy of "double standards" vis-à-vis the Moriscos. Aourid—who recently wrote a novel, entitled "The Moriscos," to "remember the tragedy of those expelled from Al-Andalus"—told an audience at the Casablanca International Book Fair that Spain cannot become "reconciled with itself without recognizing its Moorish dimension" and asked if "the suffering was lower for Muslims than for Jews."

The Association for the Historical Legacy of Al-Andalus, a group dedicated to reviving the memory of the Muslim presence in Spain, says the Spanish government should treat Muslims and Jews the same way. By failing to offer Spanish citizenship to both groups, Muslims would become victims of "selective racism," said the president of the association, Bayib Loubaris.

Spain is unlikely to concede to these demands anytime soon. While few deny there are potentially millions of descendants of Moriscos living in North Africa today, the challenge lies in reconstructing reliable genealogies to determine legitimate heirs.

The issue of who is a Morisco and who is not will be a topic for discussion at a major international conference—"The Descendants of the Andalusian Moriscos in Morocco, Spain and Portugal"—to be held in Tangier from April 4-6, 2014.

But even if such genealogies could be compiled, calls to naturalize the descendants of expelled Muslims are sure to be opposed for another reason: the fact that the expulsion of the Muslims was part of a war to end the occupation of Spain by North African invaders.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: citizenship; deathtoislam; demands; europeanunion; islam; spain; waronterror

It is very interesting that the Muslims are demanding Spanish citizenship comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492.

Muslim supporters say they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

The difference is that very few descendants of Sephardic Jews subjected to the horrors of the Inquisition and expelled in 1492 will be taking up any Spanish citizenship. Ever since they've been expelled it has been forbidden for Jews to take up residency in Spain based on rabbinic decree.

But historians point out that the Jewish presence in Spain predates the arrival of Christianity in the country and that their expulsion was a matter of bigotry. By contrast, the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language. Historians say their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.

But, with the Muslims, it's please, my mind is made up, please don't confuse me with the facts.

1 posted on 02/23/2014 4:26:46 PM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Free Constantinople Now!


2 posted on 02/23/2014 4:32:28 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

Brilliant!


3 posted on 02/23/2014 4:33:33 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce
The difference is that very few descendants of Sephardic Jews subjected to the horrors of the Inquisition and expelled in 1492 will be taking up any Spanish citizenship. Ever since they've been expelled it has been forbidden for Jews to take up residency in Spain based on rabbinic decree.

That sounded odd enough that I just had to look it up. Particularly since I know there are Jews living in Spain.

This rabbi says:

It's well known that following the expulsion of Jews from Spain, the rabbinic authorities of that generation prohibited establishing residence in Spain. Opinions vary as to whether this ban applied to all Jews, or only to those actually expelled from Spain.

Some authorities maintain that the ban against entering Spain was actually a Torah prohibition: Ferdinand and Isabella decreed that any Jew found in Spain must chose Christianity or death. Hence, entering Spain meant pretending to be Christian, which is forbidden for a Jew to do. In effect, therefore, the Torah itself - not a rabbinic ban - forbade the return to Spain.

According to this view, there is no prohibition nowadays against living in Spain, since today you can live there and practice Judaism. (The Inquisition was not officially revoked until last century.)

In conclusion, most authorities do permit living in Spain today. As far as I know, no similar ban was ever issued against living in Germany.


4 posted on 02/23/2014 4:34:42 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: lbryce

In real life, how could any particular Jew prove he was descended from a Jew expelled from Spain over 500 years ago?


5 posted on 02/23/2014 4:36:02 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: lbryce

Translation: We demand that you let us take over your country. Any less is racism.


6 posted on 02/23/2014 4:36:21 PM PST by TheGipperWasRight
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To: lbryce

American blacks demand Nigerian Zambian African citizenship and free tickets to pick up their passports...government jobs will go up by 75%


7 posted on 02/23/2014 4:36:47 PM PST by Understand the stimulus
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To: lbryce

any land settled by Islamists becomes Islamic territory for eternity. so says Islamic Supremacists.


8 posted on 02/23/2014 4:46:00 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: lbryce

they need to say NO


9 posted on 02/23/2014 4:51:52 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: a fool in paradise
any land settled by Islamists becomes Islamic territory for eternity. so says Islamic Supremacists.


10 posted on 02/23/2014 4:52:53 PM PST by GraceG
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To: lbryce

The islamonazis are already taking hold of Europe There’s another article today pointing out that France is having so much trouble because it’s let in oner five million Moslems already. Similar problems in UK, Norway, Denmark, Italy, even Germany. And remember that once someone gets into Eu they have basically free movement to go to any other euro country anyway. Europe may well be past the point of no return. USA is catching up tho.


11 posted on 02/23/2014 4:56:05 PM PST by faithhopecharity (" uri)
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To: PapaBear3625

Sephardic Jews speak Ladino, a mixture of ancient Spanish and Hebrew. I think speaking the language is considered enough proof.


12 posted on 02/23/2014 5:01:08 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: faithhopecharity
USA is catching up tho.

I bet the muzzies wouldn't have waited so long had they known we'd react by sending some of them to meet their virgins but mostly by kissing their butts after they incinerated over 3k of our innocent citizens.

And then just to further prove how tolerant we are of people who hate us we elect zero.

13 posted on 02/23/2014 5:22:28 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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14 posted on 02/23/2014 5:40:02 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: lbryce

Kick them out.


15 posted on 02/23/2014 5:54:48 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: lbryce

Every non muz Spaniard should start stocking up on guns knives and swords..... Send a message.


16 posted on 02/23/2014 5:55:07 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: lbryce

History has shown that empires come and go. Of course all history is written wrong by some Muslim standards, but it could start a trend. Germany may want to take back all the territory gained by the 3rd Reich, the Mongols will want all their territory, and most of all the Red man of America would like their territory back too. I seem to recall Mussolini wanting to bring back the Glory Rome as well. Why can’t they just stay where they belong, and make life better there than trying to be parasites in another country? Funny tho, I don’t recall the Jewish hordes invading Spain, just some Muslim land pirates stealing in the name of God.


17 posted on 02/23/2014 6:09:09 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (2016 an election or a coronation of a Queen?)
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To: PapaBear3625
Very interesting question. Here's an interesting point. From what I've heard, regarding Francisco Franco's neutrality during World War 2, his seeming intransigence to any deal with Hitler, his allowing for a porous state at Spain's border with France to make it easier for those seeking to escape the Vichy Government, especially Jews, into Spain was motivated by the fact that Franco knew, acknowledged that he was the descendant of Jews and it was his non-interventionist attitude, his abject lack of any real progress with Hitler on many accounts was as a result of this reality.

Hitler had sought Franco's permission to cross Spain in order to attack Gibraltar. Negotiations were tough and exceedingly slow at the end of which Franco had hardly offered up anything of substance to Hitler. Hitler was asked if there would be another round of negotiations, to which Hitler replied,"I'd rather have my eyeteeth pulled."

18 posted on 02/23/2014 6:15:49 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: PapaBear3625
Most Jews who left eventually converted to Christianity/Catholicism just to survive. Some of these are in Central America, but I know a family in California, as well.

I have personal knowledge of this. Some of the few who remained Jews wound up in places like Rhode Island.

Virtually all changed their last names to hide their original identities. That name change, now, would be difficult, but not impossible, to dredge up.

It's a fascinating story from people I am close to.

19 posted on 02/23/2014 6:25:35 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: lbryce

“The difference is that very few descendants of Sephardic Jews subjected to the horrors of the Inquisition and expelled in 1492 will be taking up any Spanish citizenship. Ever since they’ve been expelled it has been forbidden for Jews to take up residency in Spain based on rabbinic decree.“

Quite an ignorant statement, only Catholics, or those converted to the Catholic faith, were judged by the Tribunal of the Inquisition, neither Jews nor Muslims were under the jurisdiction of the Inquisition.

Jews forbidden to take residence in Spain?... Absolutely ridiculous, during the Holocaust and with 20 German divisions on the frontier with France threatening to enter in Spain to take over the Peñón Gibraltar to control the entrance to the Mediterranean Sea, Franco cognized as Spanish citizens all the descendants of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492. Franco also founded in Barcelona an Institute of Hebraic Studies.

Thanks to Franco more than 60,000 Jews saved their lives receiving refuge in Spain regardless if they were Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews, a fact that was recognized by the American Sephardic Jews.

I am sure that those Jews were extremely happy to be back in their beloved “Sepharad”.

FRANCISCO FRANCO, BENEFACTOR OF THE JEWS:

However general history may judge him, in Jewish history, Franco shall certainly occupy a special place... Jews should honor and bless the memory of this great benefactor of the Jewish people...who neither sought nor reaped any benefit from what he did.

—From a four page obituary in The American Sephardic Journal of the Sephardic Studies Program of Yeshiva University, volume IX, 1978.

James Michener in Iberia, 1968, page 547: “...Generalissimo Franco is highly regarded by Jews; during the worst days of World War II, when pressures from Hitler were at their heaviest, Franco refused to issue anti-Jewish edicts and instead provided a sanctuary, never violated, for Jews who managed to make it to Spain. Many thousands of Jews owe their lives to Franco, and this is not forgotten.”

In Resolutions of the War Emergency Conference of the World Jewish Congress, Atlantic City, New Jersey, November 26-30, 1944, page 15: “The War Emergency Conference extends its gratitude to the Holy See and to the Governments of Sweden, Switzerland, and Spain... for the protection they offered under difficult conditions to the persecuted Jews of Hungary...”

In the Congressional Record of January 24, 1950, Rep. Abraham Multer quotes a spokesman for the Joint Distribution Committee: “During the height of Hitler’s blood baths, upwards of 60,000 Jews had been saved by the generosity of Spanish authorities.”

Newsweek, March 2, 1970: “...a respected U.S. rabbi has come forward with surprising evidence that tens of thousands of Jews were saved from Nazi ovens by the personal intervention of an unlikely protector.”I have absolute proof that Franco saved more than 60,000 Jews during World War II,” says Rabbi Chain Lipscitz of Brooklyn’s Torah Vodaath and Mesitva rabbinical seminary.

In the context of the Holocaust, truth should prevail over myth, prejudices or bigotry. It is a fact recognized by the founders of the State of Israel that thanks to the Catholic Church, and by order of Pope Pius XII, more than 800,000 Jews were saved from the Nazis in the occupied Europe. That was in stark contrast to the action of the Allies, England close the door of Palestine to the Jews trying to flee occupied Europe and Franklin Delano Roosevelt also closed the door to the Jews, and less than 10,000 Jews were given refuge in the United States.


20 posted on 02/23/2014 6:46:35 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: lbryce

According to Winston Churchill, “before the Torch operation, i.e. before the landing of the forces of the United States and Britain in the North of Africa. (...) I have to say that I shall take it that Spain paid then a service not only to the United Kingdom, the British Empire and the Commonwealth, but the cause of the United Nations. For this reason do not sympathize with those who believe intelligent, and even funny, insult and offend the Government of Spain in any occasion”(Winston Churchill, British Prime Minister during World War II.)

In Winston Churchill’s “The Second World War”, Vol.2: Their Finest Hour Pages 519-530, the British Prime Minister wrote that last possibility of Hitler’s triumph was foiled by Franco:

“It is fashionable at the present time to dwell on the vices of General Franco and I am glad therefore to place on record this testimony of duplicity... I shall presently record even greater services which… General Franco rendered the Allied cause.”

If Franco had allowed Hitler to take over Gibraltar, the African side of the Strait under Spanish rule, and the Nazis would have controlled the access to the Mediterranean making impossible for the Allies to win the war in north Africa or to invade Italy.


21 posted on 02/23/2014 7:06:11 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: LeoWindhorse

“Santiago y a ellos!”


22 posted on 02/23/2014 7:12:48 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: ConservativeMind

My ancestors who were among the Jews run out of Spain integrated into Christian society within three generations.


23 posted on 02/23/2014 8:18:46 PM PST by Burkean (.)
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To: Dqban22
Well, I just went through many numerous articles about Jews being subjected, tortured, killed as part of the Spanish Inquisition that I googled and laughed all the way through when thinking about who the big a** ignoramus is.

Do you think I'm going to waste my time with someone as uninformed, clueless as you obviously seem to be? One topic is enough to realize your IQ is measured in double digits and that not having the capacity to comprehend is a very good reason not to even bother.

24 posted on 02/23/2014 10:23:34 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce
I don't understand why any Jew would want to live in Europe. Europe is a Jewish cemetery.

'Eretz Yisra'el is open. Why would any Jew bypass it for some other place?

25 posted on 02/24/2014 8:06:44 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: lbryce

The Spanish Inquisition: A Historical Revision

Henry Kamen

Henry A. Kamen (born 1936 in Rangoon) is a British historian. He studied at the University of Oxford, earning his doctorate at St Antony’s College.

This renowned historian here presents a new view of the notorious Spanish Inquisition, arguing that there was less terror, bigotry, and persecution associated with it than has been previously believed. Based on thirty years of research, the book will revolutionize further study in the field.

This is one of the best studies on the subject is by Henry Kamen, Professor of History who has taught at numerous U.S. Universities, including UCLA and the Univ. of Chicago. He is a Jewish-British citizen and is currently a research fellow in Spain and his analysis support the fact that the Spanish Inquisition, as understood by most today, is based on urban legends.

I suggest folks here at a minimum go to amazon.com and examine his work on the Spanish Inquisition. I am surprised by the lack of intellectual honesty with some individuals on this board with respect to this subject. It seems deconstructionisism, which at its core is a Marxist and relativistic ideology, is rampant.

The Spanish inquisition was designed to confront Catholic heresy, which was seen as being a threat to the state. Specifically, it was targeting conversos, i.e. persons who had converted from Islam and/or Judaism for political gain.

There is a growing consensus among scholars that indeed many of the conversos lived double lives and conspired with the Moslems during the Spanish Catholics war of reconquest. It is true that torture as used and some were put to death by the state, if convicted twice which Catholic Historian Warren Carroll, in his Volume 3 of History of Christianity: The Glory of Christendom notes can’t be defended.

However, he notes that torture and being put to death were not unique to Spain. Most sources today document that some 15,000 persons were found guilty by the Inquisition and about 2,000 were put to death during Isabella’s reign.

Many Catholic Saints were in fact charged in the inquisition and cleared, including St. Ignatius of Loyola, founder of the Jesuits, and ST. THeresa of Avila. As Carroll notes (p. 608) in Volume 3 of his work, “The Glory of Christendom”, the Inquisition had no jurisdiction over practicing Moslems or Jews, only over professed Christians who were still living as Jews or Moslems.

Shortly after the Spanish Inquisition was commenced in 1480, the war of reconquest of Spain began again as on December 26, 1481, the Moslems attacked Granada. Isabella responded with and all out military effort which finally ended what was a 759 year struggle!!! to drive the Moslems out. In addition, shortly after the reconquest, Isabella in March 1492 issued a decree to expel all Jews from Spain.

Historian Warren Carroll (p. 681 fn) writes “Much has been made of in recent years of Isabel’s decree in March 1492 expelling all Jews from Castille as showing that she was not always good and just. None but God is always good and just. This was the one definitely unjust act in Isabel’s thirty-three year reign; though some Jewish subjects had been proved to be, or could reasonably be expected to be traitors, and some had been proved by the inquisition to have enticed conversos to betray and blaspheme the Christian Faith, the edict of expulsion covered all without exception, the innocent majority along with guilty minority.

Those exiled were not otherwise harshly treated; they were given four months to wind up their affairs and take all they wished with them except precious metal, an their persons were under royal protection throughout that time. Yet, the expulsion was still unjust (See Carrolls Isabel of Spain, pp. 207-210 for more detail).

It seems, based on the scientific evidence, that many Jews of the times adopted Catholicism and married Spanish Catholics, rather than leave Spain. In summary, the Spanish Inquisition should be seen in the context of the 15th century and in the context of Spain’s 759 year conflict to retake their Land from the Moslem invaders. All other attempts, IMO, are nothing more than Marxist Deconstuctionism.

Further, the Spanish Inquisition was no different from any other courts during its time, and in fact, the criteria for evidence was among the best in the era. Also, non-Catholic never were tried under the inquisition, so this nonsense that all non-Catholics, which you seem to imply in your post, were wound up and tried in the Inquisition is a fairy tale.

Neither the Jews nor the Moors were under the jurisdiction of the Inquisition. The Inquisition dealt with heresies among Catholics and those converted to Catholicism. The Catholic Kings, Isabella and Fernando ruled over different Christian kingdoms each of them with their own laws and privileges.

In the end, Isabella and Fernando used the Inquisition as an instrument of the state for the unification of the country establishing the first modern European state. The Spanish Inquisition’s jurisdiction superseded the regional laws in religious matters and was not under the control of the Supreme Pontific in Rome but under the Spanish Kings.

After 700 hundred years of Islamic domination the Christians regained power in Spain. It was a bloody struggle that lasted 700 years. During the Muslim invasion, many Jews living in the Christian Goths Kingdoms allied themselves with the invaders. After such long years of travails, Kings Isabella and Fernando, in order to consolidate the unity of their kingdom, decreed the expulsion of Moors and Jews that did not want to convert to Catholicism. Many prelates and Saints in Catholic Spain were converted or descendants of converted Jews. Those who choose to remain in their Jewish faith were not killed, they were allowed to sell their properties and leave the country with their possessions.

“The Tree of Hate” by American historian Philip Wayne Powell is another seminal scholar book for those in search of the truth behind the infamous Black Legend. Dr. Powell was Emeritus professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

According to R.C. Padden, Professor of History, Brown University, this is “An extraordinary book to be read and pondered by lay-men, teachers, scholars, Latin American policy makers – in short, anyone with a serious interest in the diminishing of racial and national prejudice.”

As stated by Dale Van Every, American historian and novelist, “With a masterly marshalling of detail and a firm grasp upon the significance of his subject, Powell has drawn an unforgettable picture of what must surely rank as the most flagrant and successful propaganda feat of all time.”


26 posted on 02/24/2014 1:00:48 PM PST by Dqban22
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27 posted on 02/24/2014 1:03:57 PM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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Arent jews and christians fleeing islam nations to Europe. What a bunch of insulting horse crap . Islam in Spain was not an oppressed minority.


28 posted on 02/24/2014 4:28:04 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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