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Posted on 03/01/2014 3:14:54 PM PST by BurningOak
Dozens of people have been hurt in clashes in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv. Violence reportedly broke out when pro-Russia activists stormed the regional government’s headquarters.
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They denounced the Kyiv authorities that have been installed - and called for reunification with Russia.
A Russian flag was later seen being raised.
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Probably a provocation by Russian agents to manufacture excuse for bringing troops to Eastern Ukraine.
Prescient you are.
I’m far from being up to speed on all this, but as far as I can tell, the majority in the eastern half of the country do indeed want to align with Russia. I see the country peacefully splitting in half pretty soon, and everyone being relatively happy about it.
Pure provocation. There are nearly open borders, so thousands of Russians came to cause the commotion. Same thing happened in other Ukrainian cities. Some of Russians were caught.
>Probably a provocation by Russian agents
Or probably people who don’t see the need to burn their cities with car tires and tear it apart with civil war without a really good reason.
This is scripted from a very old playbook.
“Or probably people who don’t see the need to burn their cities with car tires and tear it apart with civil war without a really good reason.”
Except they just did that exact thing. I suspect it is a mixture of genuine local sentiment and Russian agents provocateurs from across the border. At any rate, they are openly calling for a foreign invasion. The location, on Russian border, right next to the deploying Russian army is a little too convenient for just an accidental riot.
Hello its Russian agents who are trying to redo the Georgian invasion playbook.
Are you happy tyrant Putin a KGB dictator is invading the Ukraine !
Putin is now offering Russian passports to all Ukrainians who want them. Only requirement is that they speak Russian.
Ukraine is starting to split apart.
The Bandera Nazis will get Lviv.
Odessa wants to be independent of both Ukraine and Russia and want nothing to do with the Bandera Nazis and want them to leave.
Kherson, Nikolaev want to remain Ukraine and not be part of Russia, but also want nothing to do with the Bandera Nazis.
Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, and Kharkiv will leave Ukraine with Putin’s help and affiliate in some form with Russia.
Who knows what will happen to Kiev.
That’s my prayer.
Dang!
The Bandera Nazis will get Lviv.
Odessa wants to be independent of both Ukraine and Russia and want nothing to do with the Bandera Nazis and want them to leave.
Kherson, Nikolaev want to remain Ukraine and not be part of Russia, but also want nothing to do with the Bandera Nazis.
Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, and Kharkiv will leave Ukraine with Putin’s help and affiliate in some form with Russia.
Who knows what will happen to Kiev.
You have described the breakup of Yugoslavia.
Odessa, Kherson, and Nikolaev will have to join forces; the era of city-states is long gone. This, however, will cut the Western Ukraine off from Black Sea, and that would be a serious problem... and that's where most of the violence is likely to occur. Eastern Ukraine and Crimea will be surrendered to Russia without much fight because the population there actively wants to join Russia.
Interesting. The Dneiper river runs to the Black Sea also.
The city of Kherson controls the exit into Black Sea. Those cities were not built in random places. Kherson is of extreme importance.
Any Russian takeover of Ukraine will be to control the entire length of the Dneiper - called the Nistru in Romanian.
That would also give Moscow a land bridge to Transnistria whose Slavs want to be incorporated into the Motherland.
A rump Ukrainian state will left to the north and the west of the Dnieper.
Of course assuming a political solution to the current crisis is not in the cards.
Hitler partitioned parts of countries that were “German areas” too, how did that work out??
And it’s not “Kharkiv” but Kharkov.
For all who know the history of WWII, the battle of Kharkov remains one of the most important in the defeat of the nazi Germany.
The 1st Battle of Kharkov so named by Wilhelm Keitel, was the 1941 tactical battle for the city of Kharkov during the final phase of Operation Barbarossa in 1941, when the Germans captured the city from the Red Army.
The final battle of Kharkov, in August 1943, was the biggest tanks battle of all times - more than 2600 tanks involved:
“Throughout the morning Soviet tanks worked their way forward in the hollows up to the southern edges of the cornfields, then made a mass dash across the road in full sight. “Das Reich”’s Panthers caught the leading waves of T-34’s with fierce defensive fire before they could reach our main battle line. Yet wave after wave followed, until Russian tanks flowed across in the protecting hollows and pushed forward into our battle positions.” - Wehrmart General Erhard Raus. Hitler ordered that the city had to be held “under all circumstanced”.
10,000 Germans were killed and 20,000 wounded.
The Red Army despite heavy losses, retook the city on August 23 1943.
Thank you for the history, very interesting.
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