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More Christians in China than the USA?
The Telegraph ^ | 4/19/2014 | Tom Phillips, Liushi, Zhejiang province

Posted on 04/19/2014 8:27:20 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety

"Officially, the People's Republic of China is an atheist country but that is changing fast as many of its 1.3 billion citizens seek meaning and spiritual comfort that neither communism nor capitalism seem to have supplied.

"Christian congregations in particular have skyrocketed since churches began reopening when Chairman Mao's death in 1976 signalled the end of the Cultural Revolution.

"Less than four decades later, some believe China is now poised to become not just the world's number one economy but also its most numerous Christian nation."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: china; christian; communist; usa
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Excerpt from article. Hard to fathom.
1 posted on 04/19/2014 8:27:20 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety

I saw this article on Drudge.

Hard really, to accept what it saying.

China is a very large, communist country.


2 posted on 04/19/2014 8:28:55 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

There are more than a billion people there, I often hear Christianity despite all is the fastest growing religion in the world and a lot of that growth must be in China!


3 posted on 04/19/2014 8:29:45 PM PDT by BeadCounter ( Let's hope profanity remains the only stranger here.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Declared, maybe not. Practicing, yes. We have a lot of ‘Christians’ of the Pelosi variety.


4 posted on 04/19/2014 8:30:18 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: FreedomNotSafety

I have met a number of Chinese who came here and joined Christian churches.

The idea of same sex parent families is alien to them.


5 posted on 04/19/2014 8:30:39 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: FreedomNotSafety

It’s almost as if God is saying you’ve seen what kind of world Europeans and Americans lived under Christianity and Asia without. Now you can see what happens to an Asia under God, and what happens to a USA and Europe away from God.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 8:32:06 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
There are lots of people of faith on this forum, myself included.

Just about all of us find what FedGov does hard to accept, though it is difficult to stem the tide.

Maybe the Chinese Christians know things can and will someday be better in their country, but perseverance is in order.

7 posted on 04/19/2014 8:33:38 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: sickoflibs

‘The idea of same sex parent families is alien to them.’

The idea is alien to anyone of rational thought.


8 posted on 04/19/2014 8:34:24 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: MNDude

I shouldn’t wonder...


9 posted on 04/19/2014 8:34:29 PM PDT by null and void (...if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

I knew a girl who went to China around 15 years ago. She attended college there as a secret missionary and to learn Chinese Mandarin.

I find it hard to believe that the Chinese authorities did not know what she was doing. She was unusually pretty which might have helped.


10 posted on 04/19/2014 8:36:55 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

As a percentage China is no where near a majority Christian nation. But even with a small percentage of Christians, in a country of over a billion people, China will be the country with the most Christians.

It makes you wonder. China home to the most Christians, “Vlad the Defender of the Faith, Putin”, African bishops opposed to gay marriage...what is become of our so called Christian Nation?


11 posted on 04/19/2014 8:37:19 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: aposiopetic
Just about all of us find what FedGov does hard to accept, though it is difficult to stem the tide.

This agnostic finds the same, difficult, but worthy.

12 posted on 04/19/2014 8:37:47 PM PDT by null and void (...if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there.)
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To: sickoflibs

Ditto the Russians.

My Russian friends cannot believe that A. We let strangers raise our children, they do not like the idea of daycare. and B. We approve of gay marriage.


13 posted on 04/19/2014 8:39:49 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: null and void
Speaking of agnosticism, and not one inclined to hype too much of anything in The New York Times, I nevertheless found the piece at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/fashion/Modern-love-Is-God-Just-Not-That-Into-Me.html to be disarming.
14 posted on 04/19/2014 8:43:37 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Christianity in China officially makes up 5%, but estimates who take into account House Churches go as high as 10%. At the current rate of growth, China will see a dramatic increase.


15 posted on 04/19/2014 8:43:55 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: FreedomNotSafety

I highly recommend reading “Jesus in Beijing” by David Aikman. It is a real eye opener.

I have no doubt that, in these latter days, God will use the Chinese church to shake the world.


16 posted on 04/19/2014 8:45:45 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
And to think, 114 years ago the Kung Fu practitioners (Boxers) were killing all Christians they could find in China.
17 posted on 04/19/2014 8:46:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Viennacon

Good point. We have far more declared than practicing because it is cost free to be Christian in the USA especially a liberal one. In China it is risky to declare yourself a Christian.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 8:46:32 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety

I have been to China, and I believe this. Some evidence is that I have seen protest signs in Hong Kong protesting for more religions freedom. Yes, that is Hong Kong, where things are pretty loose, but there is evidence from deep in China as well. One of my Chinese friends was telling me that at Christmas and Easter, churches sell tickets to attend because there are so many people trying to go to church. They display Christian symbols as well, including things like Christmas trees, Santa Clause. We think of them as materialistic beside the point kind of things, but the symbols are being absorbed by them.


19 posted on 04/19/2014 8:49:17 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: FreedomNotSafety

It makes you wonder. China home to the most Christians, “Vlad the Defender of the Faith, Putin”, African bishops opposed to gay marriage...what is become of our so called Christian Nation?

**********

We became smug.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 8:49:46 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: aposiopetic
wow.

It was as if he had stopped to drink at an oasis invisible to me...

Don't I KNOW that feeling!

Thanks!

21 posted on 04/19/2014 8:50:59 PM PDT by null and void (...if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there.)
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To: Psalm 144
We became smug.

Yeah. See my tagline. Just adopted it a few days ago...

22 posted on 04/19/2014 8:52:56 PM PDT by null and void (...if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there.)
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To: null and void

You’re welcome. It’s good, and insightful, writing, which I admire all the more since I start from a perspective different from hers.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 8:54:52 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

She is not agnostic because her and her monk believe they are deities. I like the article though. Maybe believing yourself to be a god is a first step towards believing in God? This is too much theology and philosophy before Easter!


24 posted on 04/19/2014 8:55:06 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Yeah, I don’t want my head hurting at this hour either, and I also know basically nothing about Buddhism. Anyway, Happy Easter!


25 posted on 04/19/2014 8:57:01 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Vince Ferrer

Again to Russia. I was in Moscow when the major decreed all business should decorate for Christmas. Got to love that authoritarian streak and the crass commercialism BUT the contrast to my own country was still sad.

Maybe China and Russia can appreciate what they were denied for so long.


26 posted on 04/19/2014 8:59:28 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety

What better time?


27 posted on 04/19/2014 9:00:16 PM PDT by null and void (...if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

major = mayor
learn to spell not spell check


28 posted on 04/19/2014 9:00:57 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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Hopefully true.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 9:04:52 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

China was a full-fledged civilization when Jesus walked the earth, let’s not forget that either. I guess they were comparatively advanced at that time.

http://picchore.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/chinese-jesus-31.jpg

http://picchore.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/chinese-jesus-21.jpg


30 posted on 04/19/2014 9:06:53 PM PDT by BeadCounter ( Let's hope profanity remains the only stranger here.)
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To: BeadCounter

yeah those silk robes and big hair were great.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 9:09:57 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: MNDude

Sort of a Spiritual dosi-do, where everybody is evenly changed. Well, almost everybody.


32 posted on 04/19/2014 9:16:22 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: FreedomNotSafety

So the Putin fan club will also include Xi Jinping. Sure. Why not? Invite both Russia and China to invade and occupy our country in hopes that they’ll preserve the debt/revenue suckage of the political/regulator class.

Political speech is a laugh riot these days.


33 posted on 04/19/2014 9:16:36 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Quite a few Chinese expatriates disagree very much with the author of that piece. There’s no real freedom of religious expression in China. It’s very regulated.


34 posted on 04/19/2014 9:18:29 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: null and void
.if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there

You must not be too sure about your faith.....I am a horrible sinner, but am certain where I am going

35 posted on 04/19/2014 9:18:39 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

And Jesus said in “Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him (God) who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

Do you think maybe the Chinese are following the commandments of Jesus more than us? Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 9:18:56 PM PDT by OldBullrider (if yur hurt, rub some dirt on it, and get back to work)
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids

I am totally uncertain, that’s pretty much the definition of agnostic, isn’t it?


37 posted on 04/19/2014 9:21:13 PM PDT by null and void (...if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there.)
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To: OldBullrider

I’m not sure.

Thank you for your post. I appreciate it, and will bow out of this thread at the time being.

I as an America, do now want to speak to Chinese religious beliefs. Sorry.

Probably shouldn’t have started.


38 posted on 04/19/2014 9:26:13 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Some of the best Christians I know are Chinese.


39 posted on 04/19/2014 9:32:30 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
It makes you wonder. China home to the most Christians, “Vlad the Defender of the Faith, Putin”, African bishops opposed to gay marriage...what is become of our so called Christian Nation?

I travel a lot to Vietnam for business. In South Vietnam, I see churches so crowded for services, hundreds must sit outside in the courtyards. They are also open 24 hours a day, neighbors gather to talk, children to play nearly all hours. America has a lot of Christians, but society's appearance and behavior is becoming ever more secular, arrogant, and corrupt.

40 posted on 04/19/2014 9:36:49 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: FreedomNotSafety

In China, you’re only a Christian if you truly want to be a Christian. In the modern West it seems many Christians are only nominal Christians because it is expected.


41 posted on 04/19/2014 10:50:55 PM PDT by RPTMS (I know you're a nincompoop, and I strongly suspect you of being a scalawag!)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

I know a Chinese woman whose father was a general with Mao on the Long March. She fled communist China with her husband to live in the US, and she has become a Christian.

There are many more like her in China, who long for the Holy Spirit to enter their lives, and who seek something more than simply surrendering to the brutal corruption of the Communist Party and the crassest kind of nihilistic materialism.


42 posted on 04/19/2014 11:17:42 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: BeadCounter

People in China and Africa continue to accept Christianity in large numbers.


43 posted on 04/19/2014 11:46:01 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
As much as I believe in and support Christianity, I do not want the government telling people to go to church or to decorate their businesses with religious themes, as you describe in Putin's Russia. Plus I see Putin's embrace of Christianity as insincere. I believe it's done to support his Russian chauvinism. That's not the spirit of Christ as I understand it.

I also want to add that the state has no business supporting the gay agenda, nor does the state have any business hounding those who sin as homosexuals do. I am, like I think all FReepers, ashamed that the USA under Obama supports abortion and homosexual marriage abroad.

44 posted on 04/19/2014 11:53:21 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

I’m reading Steinbeck’s EAST OF EDEN and your comment reminded me of the Chinese character Lee, who figures out with Chinese Bible scholars that in Hebrew Timshel means “thou mayest.” The meaning of that discovery being that we can choose to be good or to be evil. It’s a very good novel and I hope people continue to read it as one of the great 20th Century American classics.


45 posted on 04/20/2014 12:01:04 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

China has more English speakers than the US. What people fail to grasp is how BIG China is.


46 posted on 04/20/2014 4:00:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Psalm 144

We became arrogant and prideful.


47 posted on 04/20/2014 4:03:28 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

I could believe that China has a lot of quiet Christianity going on in it.

Earthly prosperity fails to satisfy.

May God bless China and may China prove to be a blessing in the world. One characteristic of living Christian faith is radical voluntary sharing.


48 posted on 04/20/2014 4:06:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Vermont Lt

I’ve been preaching that for a while. I think that arrogance has been reflected in the unprecedented expansion of human government, which has subsumed a lot of the function that private charity used to undertake. The Caesar of old was treated as a supernatural god. Today’s Caesars are treated as secular humanist gods. It is not the people’s task any more to locate and establish good officials. It is officials’ task to bring the people on board with their agendas.


49 posted on 04/20/2014 4:10:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

The underground Catholic church numbers are unknown and considering the terrible persecution and martyrs there along with the other denominations that flourish beneath the radar since the Communists came to power, I think China could be more Christian than the US.

It isn’t about numbers. This isn’t a competition. This is about the faithful in Christ who truly suffer. I can’t emphasize their suffering enough. They are in danger, persecuted, suffer and die because they have faith.

Our brothers and sisters are an example for me when I whine about being too tired to pray or grumble about the inconvenience of missing a meal once in a whle.

We are at the very beginning of statist imposition on religion. It’s going to get worse. I think before the end of this decade it will be difficult, but it is noting like the suffering the Chinese are undergoing to follow Christ.


50 posted on 04/20/2014 4:33:31 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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