Posted on 06/05/2014 7:37:52 PM PDT by Loud Mime
Again we have another shooting where the "authorities" locked down the campus. This makes absolutely NO sense to me. It seems that a group of unarmed students sitting inside a classroom makes a wonderful target for any nutcase.
Am I right? I have no actual law enforcement or true combat experience.
Please post your opinions.
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Not in Texas.
“Active shooter at the corner of First and Maine...” should be followed by “Everyone is advised to aim carefully”
Be prepared for a lot of “lock and load” replies.
(Not that there’s anything wrong with that.):-)
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If the shooter is outside, it makes sense. Don’t let the shooter in.
Ideally, there are armed good guys to defend against the shooter, but slowing the bad guy down to give time for the cops to arrive, set up a perimeter, shoot the nearest dog, flashbang an infant and eventually confront the shooter.
The police management technique of “lockdown” and shelter in place has NOTHING to do with protecting the population. It has everything to do with identification of the perp.
Think about this, if the perp goes and kills a few people, and panic sets in and everyone runs, the perp can easily drop weapons and join the crowd.
If however, all of the sheeple are down and not moving, the perp will have to expose himself to move on to new targets.
My tagline.
No, I think it’s pathetic even if there actually is a nutcase.
Nevermind the message it sends. Now you are saying people/children are not allowed to escape?
Sort of like the common nonsense dispensed by police now, “don’t be a hero”, go ahead and die.
The interview with the gal at SPU (senior). She said they followed protocal and locked the doors, closed the windows. One or two guys grabbed objects as clubs and stayed by the door (good on them!).
The professor told the kids to “put their heads down and concentrate on your work” (IDIOT!)
As I was listening I reminded my HS daughters what I have told them before. Arm yourself with whatever you can and hide, unless you have clear access out a window or something to escape (I don’t care what the teacher says). My one daughter is gung ho for it. The other one is “Oh sure dad - like me and my scissors or heavy book is going to stop some guy with a gun.”
“Well honey, it is better than cowering under a desk and waiting for him as a sitting duck.”
A lockdown is usually to secure the buildings, and area. This action notes that there is an armed intruder, hostages, or a suspect in the area, and until they know how many there are, they do not want the students or building occupants moving around.
Descriptions can be sketchy and the police do not want to shoot or apprehend an innocent victim, who could be mistaken for the intruder. Knowing where people are helps them when the suspect is spotted and they want to do a takedown.
Chaos is a bad scenario, and when people are scared they act inappropriately... it’s not safe. When a lockdown is done properly and like a firedrill... it has been practiced...it makes people safe from suspects who will be the only ones moving around....and then police can do their job efficiently.
It definitely makes sense if you are a team of Muslim terrorists and want to take over a school. Local cooperation is very important to them. Having kids make for the hills reduces their catch.
The idea of a lockdown is to make sure that all the dead bodies are piled in a single location. It makes it easier for the crime scene people.
Also if students were able to escape from a crazed gunman in a gun free zone, then the left wouldn’t be able to use the tragedy to destroy the constitution.
More victims = better press for their agenda.
If the crazy gunmen are always getting shot down by armed Americans quickly - saving lives, that would be bad news for the left.
If the shooter is inside you've just created a fish-in-a-barrel shooting gallery.
Good advice. Good for you!
What would be a good alternative?
I work in a K12 school, we have intruder lockdown drills. Classroom doors are locked, (they are mostly locked during classes anyway) outside doors that aren’t already locked are secured and students are moved to a corner of the room that can’t be seen from the hall.The building is a 5 acre maze of hallways, one school resource officer and his glock is all we currently have, however the state (Missouri) is considering allowing teachers to be armed with proper training. Many of my co workers have CCW, not sure how many carry now.
Like the cattle chutes used at events and museums and such. In philly the convention hall used to be open with people milling about. now they are stuck all in a small space. Easier to take out about 50-100 people.
well the fire drills we have in my office are for one purpose only. Control. not necessarily safety. We all stand by the door waiting for the plane to come thru the window. The drill should be an orderly exit out of the building. I don’t care how tall it is.
Hard to say. I was in a shooting at my company, ESL in Sunnyvale, Ca. 7 of my co-workers were killed were killed by Richard Farley.
I’m very thankful that I quickly got out of the building. One of my co-workers was my hero. He went around telling everyone that there was a man with a gun shooting people and we needed to get out.
Farley went around to all the offices shooting people ans computers. My office was in the pathway, and I was very lucky to have been in a meeting on the other side of the building.
Farley was in the building for 5 hours, and I know people who wete trapped there.
I would never just sit there. I would get out, and I’ve told my kids the same thing. I’ve told them to be very aware of the surroundings, and try to get out. I told them to ignire their teachers if they have to .
When I was in a shooting, we all orderly escaped. We did not panic. It was actually very calm and making sure everyone was okay. We did not run, but just quickly got out while being very aware of the situation.
I got people into the next building by pointing out that the shooter could shoot out of the windows.
My co-workers were amazing!
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