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How Conservatives Missed The Chance To Replace Cantor With One Of Their Own
Breitbart Big Government ^ | June 12, 2014 | Jonathan Strong

Posted on 06/13/2014 6:11:45 AM PDT by don-o

That was fast.

In a commanding display of sheer political power, GOP Whip Kevin McCarthy locked up support over 48 hours to replace the vacancy at Majority Leader left by Eric Cantor's stunning primary defeat.

House Rules Committee Chairman Pete Sessions (R-TX) abruptly dropped out late Thursday, saying “the measures necessary to run a successful campaign would have created unnecessary and painful division within our party.”

Although Sessions made a spirited effort to run to McCarthy's right by seizing on the immigration issue, McCarthy's biggest risks came from more conservative lawmakers that didn't enter the race: namely House Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (R-TX).

The episode has left conservatives on and off the Hill deeply frustrated that they had missed what is likely the best chance they'll ever get to remake the leadership team.

“Shame on all of us. Here's the conservative movement, and we were all asleep at the switch. We did not galvanize behind a guy, or a person, and we waited until the die was cast. If conservatives are going to do more than throwing mud in people's eyes, if we're going to actually win some battles, then we damn well better get on our game,” one conservative lawmaker said.

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Brent Bozell, the chairman of ForAmerica, said he didn't want to criticize Hensarling or Jordan for their decisions, but he was nonetheless exasperated that out of dozens of conservatives, none was willing to step up to the plate.

“So many chest thumpers. Where are they now?” Bozell said. “There's a real question as to whether a member of congress has the right to complain to anybody about anything leadership does if they don't challenge them.”

1 posted on 06/13/2014 6:11:45 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

And the GOPe beat goes on..................


2 posted on 06/13/2014 6:17:11 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: don-o

This is why Boehner stacked the leadership chain of command (including the committee chairmen) with moderates, to avoid what happened in the late 80’s when Gingrich became whip and was then thrust into the Speakership when Michael retired and the republicans took the House.

They assured themselves that a moderate will always be in charge. But the Whip race is important. We need a conservative Whip to undermine Boehner and McCarthy if necessary, or to whip conservative votes against liberal policy.


3 posted on 06/13/2014 6:18:04 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: don-o

I believe the Sessions move was a fraud, designed to forestall other, real conservatve, candidates from stepping up.


4 posted on 06/13/2014 6:19:05 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: don-o

In my opinion, the real battle should take place after the November midterm elections when the time comes to nominate a new House Speaker and get rid of Boehner. I think House Conservatives are wise their powder dry until then.


5 posted on 06/13/2014 6:19:47 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: cotton1706

cotton1706 wrote:
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But the Whip race is important. We need a conservative Whip to undermine Boehner and McCarthy if necessary, or to whip conservative votes against liberal policy.
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Agreed... I think the House Speaker and Majority Whip are two highly influential posts for which conservatives can and should fight.


6 posted on 06/13/2014 6:23:35 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: headstamp 2

You are correct, we just exchanged a dime for 10 pennies. Bonehead is free to continue his reign of emptyness of ideas backed up by a like minded majority leader. He fights the conservatives harder than he does the dems.


7 posted on 06/13/2014 6:24:30 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: DestroyLiberalism

Heard something on one of early talkstream shows that Henserling is being considered as SOTH.


8 posted on 06/13/2014 6:25:10 AM PDT by spiderfern
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To: DestroyLiberalism

I beg to differ, the same bunch which elected Bonehead the first time will do it again.


9 posted on 06/13/2014 6:26:00 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Mouton; headstamp 2

“You are correct, we just exchanged a dime for 10 pennies.”

Make that a nickel, McCarthy is twice as liberal as Cantor!


10 posted on 06/13/2014 6:30:13 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: don-o; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Perdogg; Liz; GOPJ
RE :”Brent Bozell, the chairman of ForAmerica, said he didn't want to criticize Hensarling or Jordan for their decisions, but he was nonetheless exasperated that out of dozens of conservatives, none was willing to step up to the plate.
“So many chest thumpers. Where are they now?” Bozell said. “There's a real question as to whether a member of congress has the right to complain to anybody about anything leadership does if they don't challenge them.”

Good points.
I been saying the exact same thing about Boenher’s speaker position since late 2012.(the Bush tax cut extension)

December 2012 I started challenging freepers who were posting ‘replace him’ to call up their favorite house member and tell them to make the case for themselves being speaker instead, but none of them wanted it and there was no real opposition to Bohner being speaker again(I didn't hear Rush, Levin or Hannity calling for any specific individuals to do it either) .

The attitude by many is ‘We don't need leaders, we just need complainers’, and we got a wealth of those.

11 posted on 06/13/2014 6:30:29 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: don-o
I guess we don't know how to put on the Big Boy Pants yet.
12 posted on 06/13/2014 6:33:13 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: don-o

If McCarthy lost he would still be Whip.
Boehner would still be Speaker.

A conservative can do nothing to help in that case, the Senate RINOs would continue running the House Leadership.


13 posted on 06/13/2014 6:33:18 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Beagle8U

Make that a nickel, McCarthy is twice as liberal as Cantor!

I stand correctd on my anology! Thanks, I think, for reminding me of that info.

The only good news is the end is getting much closer to when they turn out the lights as the party is indeed over here.


14 posted on 06/13/2014 6:35:53 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: don-o
but he was nonetheless exasperated that out of dozens of conservatives, none was willing to step up to the plate. “So many chest thumpers. Where are they now?” Bozell said.

So many cowards.

15 posted on 06/13/2014 6:36:59 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: DestroyLiberalism
In my opinion, the real battle should take place after the November midterm elections

We will be lucky if we still have a country by November.

16 posted on 06/13/2014 6:40:00 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: sickoflibs
Most conservatives aren't willing to make the compromises that would be necessary to hold a leadership position.

For instance:

Hensarling – followed by former Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan – received what the conservative lawmaker described as a “full court press” as colleagues pleaded with him to run.

In conversations with allies, Hensarling cited his young children – he's known for being conscientious about setting aside time with the family – in declining to run.


17 posted on 06/13/2014 6:40:21 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: don-o
We can fix this in November. Vote for the democrat running against these evil bastards. The conservative movement is dead unless we rid the world of progressive republicans.

Or we can continue to vote for "republicans" who hate us over and over while hoping for different results.

18 posted on 06/13/2014 6:41:45 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: don-o

The supposed conservatives let us down when they approved Boehner as Speaker for this session. They let us down again.


19 posted on 06/13/2014 6:44:24 AM PDT by grania
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To: Mouton

I tried to warn people yesterday that there was only 2 choices to pick from, Sessions and McCarthy, and was shouted down because Pete Sessions ‘isn’t conservative enough, and is all icky and stuff’.

That wasn’t the freaking question! Those were the only real choices, and McCarthy is a freaking liberal 5X worse than Sessions!

As bad as he is, Pete Sessions would have been an improvement over Cantor.


20 posted on 06/13/2014 6:45:28 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
Vote for the democrat running against these evil bastards.

THERE ya go. And we could make a movie about it. Call it "Dumb and Dumber"!

21 posted on 06/13/2014 6:47:07 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Beagle8U
Laura Ingraham ‏@IngrahamAngle 7m

LIVE NOW-- @replouiegohmert discusses @SpeakerBoehner's "staff threats" to get his way. "Boehner was going straight to threats."

22 posted on 06/13/2014 6:49:48 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Bratch
RE :”Most conservatives aren't willing to make the compromises that would be necessary to hold a leadership position.”

Of course if they took over that wouldn't be the issue,

Plus, that's (above) not a good argument for doing nothing.

One could make the same exact case about being POTUS.

23 posted on 06/13/2014 6:51:13 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: don-o

If there is a lesson for this then it’s that the conservative wing has to start its planning well in advance and identify its leadership. McCarthy has been running for the leaders spot since he won the whip poisition, and he’s been doing favors and building up support since then. Now that the opportunity presented itself, he was ready for it and the Tea Party members were not.


24 posted on 06/13/2014 6:54:02 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Paine in the Neck
I believe the Sessions move was a fraud, designed to forestall other, real conservatve, candidates from stepping up.

Doubtful. By all accounts the two men detest each other. I don't see Sessions doing anything to help McCarthy. He really wanted the job but recognized early on that McCarthy was twelve steps ahead of him when it came to lining up votes.

25 posted on 06/13/2014 6:56:25 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: don-o
We can toss several bad apples and keep a majority in the house. The current leadership is openly hostile to conservatives.

Or we can continue to vote for people openly hostile to our way of life. How is that working out for you?

26 posted on 06/13/2014 7:04:45 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Mouton

Mouton wrote:
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I beg to differ, the same bunch which elected Bonehead the first time will do it again.
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Maybe, maybe not. But from what I’ve been reading and hearing, there is a strong enough conservative faction in the House that actually CAN derail Boehner’s speakership, if they choose. Up to this point, they’ve been pleaded with by the GOP establishment to unify behind Boehner “for the good of the party” but I’m reading reports that House conservatives are growing increasingly restless and weary with supporting him.

Bottome line... We need to turn up the pressure and keep contacting our House GOP representatives to support a stronger, more conservative Speaker.


27 posted on 06/13/2014 7:06:09 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: Bratch
"... Hensarling cited his young children – he's known for being conscientious about setting aside time with the family – in declining to run."

If so, here's a case of a good man not seeing the forest for the trees. I don't mean to beat on Hensarling for making such a choice but by leaving the RINOs in place what kind of country is he going to leave to the kids he loves?

28 posted on 06/13/2014 7:07:51 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: DestroyLiberalism

We tried that in 2010, after the Teanami wave. You see where that got us.


29 posted on 06/13/2014 7:08:48 AM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: don-o

Quite simply, we are outnumbered and don’t have a real Leader. Oh we have some people I like, and some people that are loud, but that does NOT make them a leader.


30 posted on 06/13/2014 7:12:48 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Mouton

So really the Brat victory has no national meaning. People are still for Boehner (and HRC too), even in VA.


31 posted on 06/13/2014 7:19:37 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: Bratch

Well, maybe Hensarling should just stay home, curl up with his kids, listen to the country collapsing around him and tell them about how the US used to be. This episode shows how few in Congress are really willing to fight the good fight. The solution for what is killing the country is unlikely to ever come from a Congress that has grown too comfortable with speachifying and being part of the elite who grow fat on the past wealth of the US built by people who were giants compared to the termites of today.


32 posted on 06/13/2014 7:20:58 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: RIghtwardHo

Oh, OK.


33 posted on 06/13/2014 7:26:03 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Jane Long

Jane Long wrote:
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We tried that in 2010, after the Teanami wave. You see where that got us.
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Except the difference between 2010 and today is that Boehner has now amassed a proven track record of pure, utter ineffectiveness and incompetence (though back then most of us on Free Republic were smart enough to predict this). Many conservative/Tea Party members of Congress were reluctantly willing to give Boehner a fair shake in 2010 and 2012 at the urging of the party leadership. But from what I’m hearing and reading about reports behind-the-scenes, the increasingly conservative wing of the House is growing weary and tired of Boehner. With the country undoubtedly going up in flames, hopefully they’re figuring out that we either take steps to change the hell-bound trajectory of the country NOW or we’re only going to continue to further doom ourselves into the abyss of statism and imperialism.


34 posted on 06/13/2014 7:29:46 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: Truth29

I seriously doubt this was his real reason. More than likely, he was threatened with committee assignments. This seems to be more important to the critters than actually serving the electorate. Yep, those wonderful, blessed committee assignments that the elite hold over their heads. Maybe the rules of assignments should be changed, but I doubt that will ever happen.


35 posted on 06/13/2014 7:36:48 AM PDT by Catsrus (A)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

I agree, we can afford to lose a few bad apples and pick up some good ones as well. If I lived in weenie Boehner’s district, I would vote for the DEM and then repent afterwards.


36 posted on 06/13/2014 7:39:30 AM PDT by Catsrus (A)
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To: Catsrus
That is the idea I wanted to discuss. Just four or five starting with the Weeper of the House. Freepers could quickly decide which ones.

This might send a message the republicans will understand.

37 posted on 06/13/2014 8:09:51 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: don-o

Why is the die cast? Have they voted?


38 posted on 06/13/2014 8:19:25 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: DestroyLiberalism

Conservatives need to plan past tomorrow if they want to change anything. You can bet GOPe had their battle plan in place long before Cantor lost.


39 posted on 06/13/2014 8:21:21 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Theodore R.
VA is not the Virginia of old....too many in the area around DC beholding to the cess pool up there.

The Brat victory I am afraid was as much a problem with Cantor becoming too disengaged with his constituency then with going with a conservative. I applaud they sent that message and hopefully others will get the message. Another principal concern was Canter had the temerity to try to take away the primary election path in his district i.e. party conventions. Furthermore, he had become the face of child illegal amnesty. In fact, I think Bonehead may have actually pulled the rug out from under him by sending him to attend a meeting in Florida about that issue. (My group picketed about their meeting). Bonehead of course backed out so now he has the good fortune to have Cantor out and a person more in line with his ideals in MaCarthy. Too bad the voters in Ohio did not follow suit and unseat the pinnacle problem!

40 posted on 06/13/2014 8:23:49 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

Yes, if the Tea party were a Party we could run conservative candidates in the general election against a few “purple” district RINOs and a wayward (such as McCarthy...heh,heh) conservative district rep or two and counter all of the power of the GOPe, Chamber of Commerce, Senate RINOs and K Street.
And still block the Dems from control of the House.

Would take organization though.


41 posted on 06/13/2014 8:25:14 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
We can toss several bad apples and keep a majority in the house.

Frankly, I'm stunned by this approach. It's ludicrous on its face yet keeps getting repeated here. Our best chance to overcome the GOPe is to get as many conservatives in by primary as possible then win majorities.

It's self-defeating to risk majorities with a strategy of 'weeding out' the bad guys and hoping to hold onto enough seats to still make a difference. If we get conservatives in, things will change. If we put pressure on our own Reps, we can get conservatives in leadership but encouraging people to vote out Republicans is just wrong on so many levels. We've seen what Democratic majorities do and it's frightening.

42 posted on 06/13/2014 8:30:38 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: DestroyLiberalism
In my opinion, the real battle should take place after the November midterm elections when the time comes to nominate a new House Speaker and get rid of Boehner. I think House Conservatives are wise their powder dry until then.

Wishful thinking of the highest order.

The evil GOPe sees Conservatives as their blood enemy.

The only way to guarantee that the evil Boehner is NOT the SOTH is to convince as many people in his district as possible to vote for the RAT candidate.

We will keep the House in 2014, losing Boehner's seat would be a victory for Conservatives.

43 posted on 06/13/2014 8:50:11 AM PDT by sand88
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To: Kenny

If we had time you would be right. We do not have time.


44 posted on 06/13/2014 8:57:36 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: sand88

sand88 wrote:
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The only way to guarantee that the evil Boehner is NOT the SOTH is to convince as many people in his district as possible to vote for the RAT candidate.
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To borrow your own phrase: “Wishful thinking of the highest order”.

Boehner’s district is safely Republican. There’s no way he loses to a Dem opponent this midterm election cycle. Right now, it’s up to the House conservatives to take a stand and we need to do our part to help them apply the pressure. I’m not denying it’s an uphill battle, but I can’t think of another more realistic way to ouster Boehner from the speakship by 2015.


45 posted on 06/13/2014 10:44:46 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: spiderfern
Heard something on one of early talkstream shows that Henserling is being considered as SOTH.

Henserling may be considering himself for Speaker but he's a long way from the 218 votes he needs to make it happen.

46 posted on 06/13/2014 10:47:21 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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