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Report: Lois Lerner's Hard Drive Has Been "Thrown Away"
Townhall.com ^ | 6/19/2014 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 06/19/2014 5:26:29 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

According to a report published late last night in POLITICO, the hard drive belonging to Lois Lerner where the IRS claims her emails to outside agencies and groups like the White House, Department of Justice, FEC, Democrat members of Congress, etc. were stored has been...destroyed.

Ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s crashed hard drive has been recycled, making it likely the lost emails of the lightening rod in the tea party targeting controversy will never be found, according to multiple sources.

“We’ve been informed that the hard drive has been thrown away,” Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a brief hallway interview.

So now the IRS wants us to believe Lerner's emails were only stored on her personal hard drive? And not on a backup server somewhere? Come on. Further, why is it that Lerner has emails to employees in the IRS, but her hard drive just happened to "crash" between January 2009-April 2011 and only on the emails to outside sources?

Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa didn't buy the excuse when the "lost" emails were announced late last week. Now he's implying the emails were deliberately made to disappear, which is a violation of federal law.

"If the IRS truly got rid of evidence in a way that violated the Federal Records Act and ensured the FBI never got a crack at recovering files from an official claiming a Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination, this is proof their whole line about 'losing' e-mails in the targeting scandal was just one more attempted deception," Issa said in a statement to Fox News. "Official records, like the e-mails of a prominent official, don't just disappear without a trace unless that was the intention."

Things just got a lot more criminal.

The latest news suggests such professionals may never get the chance to try again — and the IRS has even said its criminal investigators who specialize in rebuilding hard drives to recover hidden information from criminals were unable to restore the data back in 2011.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoirs; corrupt; corruptdems; coverup; dncrico; harddrive; irsrico; lerner; lernerrico; liars; obamarico
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1 posted on 06/19/2014 5:26:29 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross

I believe their rules call for hard copies.


2 posted on 06/19/2014 5:27:52 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Servant of the Cross

Find who the emails went to or were from the emails should still be in those other places.


3 posted on 06/19/2014 5:28:09 AM PDT by The Louiswu (One brave man, that's all we need.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Just last month the IRS commissioner testified that the emails had been archived.


4 posted on 06/19/2014 5:28:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/irs-lois-lerner-emails-108044.html

No one believes them on Politico. Nearly 10,000 comments as of now.


5 posted on 06/19/2014 5:29:17 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I work in IT

Had to impound hard drives from people’s computer;s for
legal reasons- usually after been fired and using that for
case against them (Ie having porn on drive, evidence of
fraud, etc)


6 posted on 06/19/2014 5:29:25 AM PDT by njslim (T)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The hard drive is just a diversion. Backups are the answer, assuming they haven’t been surgically removed, which is what I think has happened; or at least what the other side tried to accomplish.


7 posted on 06/19/2014 5:29:35 AM PDT by ComputerGuy
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To: Servant of the Cross

Can you say: “OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE?”


8 posted on 06/19/2014 5:29:54 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

destroyed hard drive


9 posted on 06/19/2014 5:29:58 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Servant of the Cross

Emails get archived on servers. You just have to find out which one.


10 posted on 06/19/2014 5:30:00 AM PDT by McGruff (What if we bombed our own citizens?)
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To: The Louiswu

I bet all the hard drives have been destroyed.


11 posted on 06/19/2014 5:30:50 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Sacajaweau
Rules? .... in 0bama world ... we don't need no stinkin' rules.
12 posted on 06/19/2014 5:30:57 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

If someone thought destroying the hard drive and the information on it would protect the president, it won’t. If anything it will convince more people that there is something they want to hide, and that something has to be pretty serious. This will haunt Obama till the end of his term.


13 posted on 06/19/2014 5:31:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: McGruff

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/17/irs-regulations-require-e-mails-that-are-federal-records-to-be-stored-in-separate-permanent-system/


14 posted on 06/19/2014 5:31:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Servant of the Cross

The hard drive is irrelevant. The server backups should have everything necessary, or the IT guys have committed a federal felony.


15 posted on 06/19/2014 5:32:02 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: McGruff

Yup. Gone hard drive is a diversion, and a stupid one at that - email servers keep emails for years......

Why aren’t the IT experts screaming about his bogus rabbit trail?


16 posted on 06/19/2014 5:33:27 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: Servant of the Cross

In other news...

Donald Trump filed for personal bankruptcy today claiming massive losses stemming from a hole in his pants’ pocket.


17 posted on 06/19/2014 5:34:02 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I been in IT for over 30 years. There are copies of those emails somewhere. May have to look at DR backups, rebuild mail stores/mailboxes, or even get some folks to flip bits. I remember going to a PROFS upgrade class a couple of years ago (old IBM email system) and this fella that I was in class with worked for the NSA and we discussed the retrievial of “deleted” emails from one Lt. Col. involved in the IRAN-CONTRA stuff.


18 posted on 06/19/2014 5:35:22 AM PDT by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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To: Servant of the Cross

You know, when Arthur Andersen got sued out of business over Enron, it was the destryoying of records that put them out of business.


19 posted on 06/19/2014 5:36:04 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Servant of the Cross

It’s time to push for the end of the IRS, they are a rouge agency, run by a corrupt and violent enemy in the white house.e as the people of the usa cannot tun a blind eye to those who are our enemies>>the Irs is our enemy, the white house as well..either we get the constitution back as rule of law or the country will fall shortly.


20 posted on 06/19/2014 5:36:07 AM PDT by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Of course, criminals aren’t stupid.


21 posted on 06/19/2014 5:36:18 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The dog ate her hard drive.


22 posted on 06/19/2014 5:36:53 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I’m waiting for the IRS to claim the dog ate their emails.


23 posted on 06/19/2014 5:37:53 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Get outta my head!


24 posted on 06/19/2014 5:38:27 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Sorry ZERO that dog don't hunt.
Server has all the e-mails.
Even if the server got trashed by your cronies, There are copies on everyones computer who were copied in on the scam.
Not one smidgen Zero Not one SMIDGEN. . . . Does anybody believe anything YOU SAY OR ANYONE FROM your administration.
25 posted on 06/19/2014 5:38:35 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Want gun control? Look at Iraq and other countries where the people are rounded up and shot .)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The email server has the email. It can be retrieved unless it was purposefully searched for her emails and they were removed from it.


26 posted on 06/19/2014 5:39:08 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Arlis
Yup. Gone hard drive is a diversion, and a stupid one at that - email servers keep emails for years......

Why aren’t the IT experts screaming about his bogus rabbit trail?


They are.

Big time.

Document preservation and the critical nature of digital back up is one thing people in Corporate America understand and they are not buying this BS.

Whatever was in those emails was so damaging that people are willing to go to jail for document destruction and obstruction of justice

27 posted on 06/19/2014 5:39:23 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Servant of the Cross

So? What about the Exchange server? Nightly local backups? Offsite tape backups? DR backups?


28 posted on 06/19/2014 5:39:39 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Servant of the Cross
It was ruled by the Supreme Court in Anderson v. Dunn the Congress has the power to have someone arrested and imprisoned for Contempt of Congress. They can do this themselves. The DOJ has nothing to do with it. There even used to be a jail cell in the Capitol Building were those convicted served out their sentence.

Congress can do this but they REFUSE to do their duty.

29 posted on 06/19/2014 5:40:01 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: RedMDer

The email server has the email. It can be retrieved unless it was purposefully searched for her emails and they were removed from it.


And that is exactly what was done


30 posted on 06/19/2014 5:40:14 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: kevkrom
The hard drive is irrelevant. The server backups should have everything necessary, or the IT guys have committed a federal felony.

True Dat. In fact, if this had occurred during a Bush administration, Hillary surely would have chimed in with ....

I think that the reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief.

31 posted on 06/19/2014 5:40:22 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

And if all that fails, the NSA probably has them anyway.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 5:40:29 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: rdcbn

Why aren’t the IT experts screaming about his bogus rabbit trail?

Let me pick 5 or 6 of the best forensic guys I konw I could prbly have it wrapped up in about 3 weeks.


33 posted on 06/19/2014 5:41:03 AM PDT by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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To: Servant of the Cross

My IT guy has finally convinced me to switch away from AOL. I was one of their first 10K users. My new email thingie is happily transferring my years of AOL emails which I have to keep because of what I do for a living to my new email. It will take another day or two. It is all taking place up on some cloud. My hard drive has nothing to do with it. I know this because I can watch it from more than one computer. I also just signed up for Dropbox. Pretty soon I will have nothing of any importance on either my HD or my server. Since my IT guy and my son who is a security IT guy both say this is the way to go, I’m happy. If it all crashes and burns I do have a back up on my desk. But if it all crashes and burns we’re probably all doomed anyway.


34 posted on 06/19/2014 5:41:17 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: DoodleDawg
If his co-conspirators thought destroying the IRS hard drive, and the potent information on it, would protect Obama, it won’t. If anything, it is ample evidence that there is something to hide......and that "something" has to be pretty serious.

Judge Napolitano summed it up best----"NSA"---the see-all, know-all federal agency listening-in and recording 24/7.

Obama's gonna find out real soon: "Karma really is a *itch."

35 posted on 06/19/2014 5:42:11 AM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
So? What about the Exchange server? Nightly local backups? Offsite tape backups? DR backups?

They're probably offsite at a secure location, currently being stored in a box along with a bunch of hard drive magnets.

36 posted on 06/19/2014 5:42:32 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Servant of the Cross

Put her in prison and throw away the key, until she tells all. Then leave her in prison.


37 posted on 06/19/2014 5:43:01 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: rdcbn

The email server has the email. It can be retrieved unless it was purposefully searched for her emails and they were removed from it.


And that is exactly what was done

A good bit flipper could rebuild the mailbox. Most of the time whe email is “deleted” the only thing that happens is that pointers to the data are changed. The data is still there just gotta look hard enough.


38 posted on 06/19/2014 5:43:33 AM PDT by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Let’s just get the backups.


39 posted on 06/19/2014 5:43:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Servant of the Cross

It’s ironic that a while back they were proposing that people should libel for unpaid taxes of their parents/grandparents, based on old, archived, tax records, but now they conveniently lose incriminating evidence.

It’s time for a flat tax in a system that canno longer be used to control and intimidate citizens.


40 posted on 06/19/2014 5:45:02 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Complete BS.


41 posted on 06/19/2014 5:45:09 AM PDT by mylife
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
In other news... Donald Trump filed for personal bankruptcy today claiming massive losses stemming from a hole in his pants’ pocket.

You win.

Perfect analogy.

42 posted on 06/19/2014 5:45:46 AM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: john316

No doubt they removed all the emails. Why not? If they turn them over the whole administration crashes down and maybe even an impeachment. If they delete them (or hide them) then it becomes a matter of “will” on the part of the repubs. They probably made the correct choice.


43 posted on 06/19/2014 5:47:03 AM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Where’s Congress on this? It seems they are so busy sucking at the trough, they think this is a distraction.


44 posted on 06/19/2014 5:47:10 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: AppyPappy

Given the current regimes tendancey to use “the best technology” (see HHS website), they have probably institued a “private cloud” which would make it even easier for someone with 1/4 of a brain to find the email threads.


45 posted on 06/19/2014 5:47:48 AM PDT by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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To: john316

I manage Exchange servers. As soon as we’re notified that a person’s email is being subpoenaed for legal discover, that mailbox is placed on “legal hold”, and nothing in it can be deleted until the hold is removed.


46 posted on 06/19/2014 5:48:17 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Servant of the Cross
the IRS has even said its criminal investigators who specialize in rebuilding hard drives to recover hidden information from criminals were unable to restore the data back in 2011.

Nope, no conflict of interest here.

47 posted on 06/19/2014 5:48:33 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The data is still available on any one of several servers.

Industry and government IT experts have already made this clear.


48 posted on 06/19/2014 5:48:57 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: combat_boots
No one believes them on Politico. Nearly 10,000 comments as of now.

I could not find a single comment defending the Administration or the IRS on this issue.

Usually I have to look hard to find a single comment critical of the Obama Administration on that site.

There are no liberal talking points on this issue. There is no doubt that the IRS is engaged in a Criminal Conspiracy to obstruct justice in a way that makes Watergate look like child's play.

The tide may be turning on this one.

49 posted on 06/19/2014 5:49:06 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Just for fun, we should search the car trunks at any junkyard that recently had a tornado pass over.

This is from an imperfectly recollected memory of one of Clinton’s scandals, just proving that God has a sense of humor.


50 posted on 06/19/2014 5:49:13 AM PDT by AdSimp
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