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Democrats push to prevent gun sales to terror-list suspects
Associated Press ^ | Nov 21, 2015 3:24 AM EST | Alan Fram and Michael Biesecker

Posted on 11/21/2015 10:03:40 AM PST by Olog-hai

Congressional Democrats are trying to build support for an effort to bar gun purchases by terror suspects, hoping to take advantage of the same public anxieties about security that gave Republicans a ringing House victory.

The Democratic push seems likely to fall victim to opposition from the National Rifle Association and congressional gun-rights backers, chiefly Republicans, who have smothered firearms curbs for years. If the Republicans who control Congress block votes on the proposal, Democrats hope to profit politically by winning sympathy from angry voters. ...

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Way to go, Dems. Those terrorists will never be able to get weapons illegally if you do that.
1 posted on 11/21/2015 10:03:40 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I read that there are 700,000 people on that list. What are the critria for getting on that list? Who determines who is added?

I don’t trust this administration to not add every conservative Christian that reveres the Constitution.


2 posted on 11/21/2015 10:06:05 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Olog-hai

Why do we allow anyone on the terror lists to walk around free?


3 posted on 11/21/2015 10:08:35 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: Olog-hai

The Dimocrap definition of terrorist: NRA members and all those who exercise their Second Amendment rights. Their presidential frontrunner believes that Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism. Where is sanity?


4 posted on 11/21/2015 10:08:44 AM PST by austingirl
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To: Olog-hai
Who will be classified as terrorists by the Congressional Democrats?


5 posted on 11/21/2015 10:12:30 AM PST by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: Olog-hai

Well, unless they are bona fide American citizens (which most imported terrorists — forgive me, widows and children who grow up to be terrorists — are not), they are not protected by the 2nd Amendment ... so there is no need for “special regulation” to prevent them owning guns. (Though as you point out, administrative remedies to gun violence never work but they do make the Left “feel” better because they’ve “done something”.)


6 posted on 11/21/2015 10:13:16 AM PST by glennaro
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To: Olog-hai

If you don’t want terrorists buying American guns in America, then don’t import terrorists to America.

But the reason that they are importing terrorists to America is so that they can manufacture fear and chaos in the native population, which they will then use to strip civil liberties from said native population.

And they do not care at all if people die as a result of their lunatic schemes designed to help them implement their lunatic agenda.


7 posted on 11/21/2015 10:13:25 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: Olog-hai

Offer amendments that suspected terrorists can’t get welfare and can’t vote? Lets see how the Democrats react to that - their Somali constituency in particular probably won’t be too happy.


8 posted on 11/21/2015 10:14:00 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Olog-hai

This is right up Obama’s alley. There is no way to find out if you are on the watch list unless you are tagged trying to get on an airplane. No judicial action is required to place you on the list. Criteria for nomination to the list is unknown to the public. Ther is no known judicial method for getting off the list or contesting a nominationh. Right, put all Consevative Christians on the list and come for their guns. Likely will be somw Bible thumping.


9 posted on 11/21/2015 10:16:51 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Olog-hai
FFFF you Demon-Crats.

You consider AMERICANS to be terrorists, and THAT is who you would ban.

EAT SSSS AND FFFFING DIE!!!!

10 posted on 11/21/2015 10:17:23 AM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: Olog-hai

Hear that, Republicans? If don’t support this, you’re siding with the terrorists!


11 posted on 11/21/2015 10:19:22 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (I am going to get those guns out of peoples hands. - Hillary Clinton 10/05/2015)
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To: Olog-hai
All republicans will be on the terrorist watch list.

You need to think like a weasel.

12 posted on 11/21/2015 10:21:35 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: chris37
"But the reason that they are importing terrorists to America is so that they can manufacture fear and chaos in the native population, which they will then use to strip civil liberties from said native population."

And grow the size and bite of centralized power of government, diminish state's rights, and turn the judicial branch into a feckless joke to be ignored.

13 posted on 11/21/2015 10:25:06 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog

These are some evil scheming bastards, and they gotta go.


14 posted on 11/21/2015 10:26:00 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: chris37

Watch the movie “Clean Skin”. It’s a British film. Spot on.


15 posted on 11/21/2015 10:26:39 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m sure there are plenty of Fast & Furious guns out there for them to pick up as they cross the southern border.


16 posted on 11/21/2015 10:35:48 AM PST by sevlex
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To: Olog-hai

So there we go, you have the Obozo agenda on full display. He hopes to pass anti-gun legislation by importing an invading army.
How “unprecedented” is that?


17 posted on 11/21/2015 10:37:34 AM PST by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: Lazamataz

F your own face is my preferred response to freedom hating demonrat crap eaters. I am pretty much fed up with those reprobates.


18 posted on 11/21/2015 10:37:41 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Olog-hai

Why the rush? I bet they brought their own.


19 posted on 11/21/2015 10:38:46 AM PST by hadaclueonce (I thought Ethanol was the devil, now i find it is America is an Oligarchy)
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To: Olog-hai
Salon has a similar article, where there headline was that 2000 people on the terrorist watch list bought firearms legally. They had a link to GAO testimony to Congress. The testimony on page 7 said that only 650 unique individuals bought firearms, sometime they bought more than one firearm. The GAO testimony/report also said that the FBI when it doese the instance check looks at the terrorist watch list and if the person buying the firearm is on that list, THEN data is collected and turned over to a case agent to investigate, but the transaction may be approved depending on the specific instant background check regulations.

The point is that the devil is in the details. Right now if someone on the terrorist watch list buys or attempts to buy a firearm the FBI is watching and checking. If the FBI for its own reasons approves the transaction, an FBI field agent is contacted and data provided to him for investigation.

Considering that the terrorist watch list is already part of the FBI instant background screening process. I see very little that this proposed law will do.

The source of the push is a noted anti gun group with whom the Democrats has aligned in the past, but is not necessarily a Democratic Party issue. It may become one, but seems a little premature to label as such.

20 posted on 11/21/2015 10:42:12 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Olog-hai
MS-13, Bloods, Crypts, KKK, and the Bugtussle Sewing Club must be on that list as well.

Oh....and the Mooslime Brudderhood too!

...but it won't fit....here's a bigger hammer....

seeeee?

21 posted on 11/21/2015 10:42:18 AM PST by JEDI4S (I don't mean to cause trouble...it just happens naturally through the Force!)
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To: Olog-hai
Trump will turn the terrorist WATCH list into the terrorist DEPORT list..

Why do the Dems support a ban on gun sales to terror watch list individuals but NOT increased screening for Syrian 'refugees'???? Hmmmmm...

22 posted on 11/21/2015 10:47:01 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Olog-hai
"Nominations to the Terrorist Screening Database are not accepted if they are based solely on race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, or First Amendment-protected activities, such as free speech, the exercise of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of peaceful assembly, or petitioning the government for redress of grievances." This is from the FBI website.

Makes you wonder what the 700,000 did and why are they walking around.

23 posted on 11/21/2015 10:50:54 AM PST by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
"What are the critria for getting on that list? Who determines who is added?"

Precisely. Given the ideological and moral sewer our present political class exists in, these kind of lists will be comprised of anyone they are prejudiced against or who poses a threat to their power. Our government, MSM and our "education" establishment couldn't give a tinkers damn about what terrorists might do to traditional Americans.

A few weeks ago I was watching a documentary about Papa Doc Duvalier (and his vile son Baby Doc). When the documentary reached the part about the Tonton Macoute, I was immediately reminded of Obamas expressed desire to have a well armed and staffed civilian "security force." It's my fervent belief that the American Left would deploy them without hesitation against "counter-revolutionaries."

24 posted on 11/21/2015 10:51:05 AM PST by VR-21
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

So you believe that people on that list should be locked up?

What about people that are on that list simply because they served in the military.

Want to lock them up too.

What about anyone associated with the TEA Party?

After all we were told after the 2010 attempted car bombing in NYC, which they tried to blame on the TEA Party, the TEA Party were all terrorist.

How convenient for the Obama adm. the IRS had started demanding the names of anyone associated with TEA Party groups so they would know who to put on the terrorist watch list.

Want to lock them up too?

DoJ says the biggest terrorist threat is from “ right wing extremist”.

Of course anyone that disagrees with Obama is called a right wing extremist so lets put them all on the list and lock them up.

Careful what you wish for you might just get it.


25 posted on 11/21/2015 10:52:57 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Lurkinanloomin
"I read that there are 700,000 people on that list. What are the critria for getting on that list? Who determines who is added?

I don’t trust this administration to not add every conservative Christian that reveres the Constitution.

I agree!! Sounds like back door gun control to me.

26 posted on 11/21/2015 10:58:55 AM PST by thegrump (It is who we are. It is what we do. Live for nothing or die for something !)
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To: Starstruck

It would appear to be near-impossible to get on that list given the political correctness of that FBI statement.


27 posted on 11/21/2015 11:00:14 AM PST by austingirl
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To: Olog-hai
Without reading the entire article or all the comments. I'm just going to speculate that

According to demo'rats, you just might be a terrorist if:

1. You are a member of Free Republic
2. You support the 2nd Amendment

28 posted on 11/21/2015 11:05:44 AM PST by Perseverando (For Progressives, Islamonazis & Totalitarians: It's all about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“I read that there are 700,000 people on that list. What are the critria for getting on that list? Who determines who is added?”

700,000 is the low estimate. The public is not allowed to know who is on it or why.

This proposal is just a way to allow the government to confiscate guns from anyone they want to at any time they want to. The list is completely discretionary.


29 posted on 11/21/2015 11:13:29 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Perseverando
Terror suspects: Matt Drudge, Jim Robinson, Michael Savage, (insert your favorite subversive here)...
30 posted on 11/21/2015 11:14:24 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Olog-hai

If the Democrats succeed with that then conservatives and Christians will shortly all be on the government terror list.


31 posted on 11/21/2015 11:58:02 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Because they can’t really arrest all the Christians and Constitutionalists in the country, not yet.


32 posted on 11/21/2015 11:59:19 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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