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Xi risks losing face in a trade war with Trump
nikkei ^ | July 09, 2018 | Minxin Pei

Posted on 08/19/2018 11:30:26 AM PDT by Eddie01

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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
...capitulating to a "trade bully," as the Chinese media calls Trump, is hard for Xi, a strongman in his own right.
IOW, the author of the piece is a shill for the Chinese gov't. Thanks Eddie01.

21 posted on 08/19/2018 5:03:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Eddie01

“Worse still, it is unclear what Trump wants or how China can appease him. The terms his negotiators presented to Beijing in early May were so harsh that it is inconceivable that Xi could accept them without being seen as selling out China.”

Never read Art of the deal? Of course Trump doesn’t expect them to give him what he asks for. They’ll end up giving him half, which is what he really wanted. They he’ll make them throw in some more at the end.


22 posted on 08/19/2018 5:48:14 PM PDT by Hugin ("I fear for Hugin that he will not come back, yet I tremble more for Munin.")
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To: familyop

Better fight them now before they build up their navy, robot drones and huge economy—rather then when they have the upper hand in say 20 or 30 years. Xi going to have to cave now—after a few token measures and a meet with Trump. That or face down Trump and see if he blinks! Maybe seize Taiwan? Challenge Japan over those islands or step in to North Korea? More hacking maybe? They got away with invading Tibet and seizing it for their new Han Empire—who is next? Nepal? They must expand to keep their people happy and proud.


23 posted on 08/19/2018 7:47:45 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

True about empire and expansion. Well said.


24 posted on 08/20/2018 1:35:39 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: tennmountainman

Writing himself into the constitution to be equal to Mao may have been a step too far...

The Chicom party is popularly thought to be in charge of China but the real power is the Chinese Military, and they are not happy about Xi’s big and reckless moves. He is being pulled into line by forces we do not even see.

Trump may choose to allow him to save face by accepting some of the solutions the low-level trade envoy is here to offer as trial balloons. Or he may decide that Xi’s replacement might be better and deny him a face-saving out, which would essentially support the internal forces in removing him.

Either way, Xi will not be allowed to ruin the Chinese economy by thinking he can take on the US and win.


25 posted on 08/20/2018 7:52:53 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Sessions. Trust the Plan.)
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China have fired the first salvos of their trade war.

Business media is both lame and incompetent. The first salvo was fired 30 years ago. This our first return salvo of tariffs in a long and ONGOING trade war.

26 posted on 08/20/2018 7:59:58 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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?But Chinese and U.S. negotiators are now meeting towards agreements on trade.

Why meet? Chinese need to drop their tariffs immediately.

27 posted on 08/20/2018 8:01:20 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: DoughtyOne

In the past 8 months or so, due to the “trade war talk”, the Chinese stock market has fallen about 18%... that is right - it has lost 1/6th of it’s value. The Chinese currency has fallen by about 7 to 9% against the US Dollar.

Who is winning this trade war?

Xi WILL lose face, big time, if he does work toward an “armistice”, very soon, to alleviate his damages.


28 posted on 08/20/2018 6:15:23 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Liberalism is what Smart looks like to Stupid people - ® - Mia of KC. Rush - 1:50-8/21/15))
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To: Eddie01

Pissing off your biggest Customer isn’t any way to go through life Son.

Time is measured as Pre POTUS Trump or Post POTUS Trump.

You are living in the Post POTUS Trump World now.


29 posted on 08/20/2018 6:18:44 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: AFPhys

I believe the art of the deal involves making it seem as if your adversary actually came out on top. Trump is a pretty savvy guy. He’s used leverage to bludgeon China, and rightfully so. Now he can achieve what he wanted while conveying some wild point about China still winning. That may save his trading partner’s posterior.

The savvy folks in China knew this day was coming.

If Trump can sell the China is a tough trading negotiator line, he’ll come out ahead too. I think the Communist party chiefs are okay as long as China doesn’t look like a third rate entity.

If they think the public perceives them as playing a good game, I think that will go a long way toward easing the pain.

China wills still have a lot of trade.

They were overextending themselves. This is why I’ve always said, we could back out of China and it would crumble.

I believe that to be true.


30 posted on 08/20/2018 7:51:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs)
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