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The disaster that is the modern Democratic Party began 50 years ago in Chicago
Portland Press Herald ^ | 9/19/2018 | Charles Todorich

Posted on 09/20/2018 7:32:36 AM PDT by cp124

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To: Olog-hai

Nonsequitur? How is complete government control on wages, prices, what could be manufactured, who could buy the products, and how much commodities every American could have a nonsequiter? If the government control of the entire economy wasn’t socialism by your definition what is? And if socialism is never temporary then we all must still be under those policies, right?


41 posted on 09/20/2018 5:56:41 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: cp124
86 years ago when they nominated FDR.
42 posted on 09/20/2018 6:04:23 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
You still insist on ignoring the point that there is no instant socialism? Even Lenin brought in his New Economic Policy when he was on the brink of failure.

Like it says in The Principles of Communism:
It is impossible, of course, to carry out all these measures at once. But one will always bring others in its wake. Once the first radical attack on private property has been launched, the proletariat will find itself forced to go ever further, to concentrate increasingly in the hands of the state all capital, all agriculture, all transport, all trade. All the foregoing measures are directed to this end; and they will become practicable and feasible, capable of producing their centralizing effects to precisely the degree that the proletariat, through its labor, multiplies the country’s productive forces. …
Engels envisioned an ongoing process. The Railroad Control Act embodied “the first radical attack on private property” by the federal government; and of course, this beginning brought others in its wake.

It’s all there in black and white. The end justifies all means in the minds of such people; the issue is always the revolution, as they say.
43 posted on 09/20/2018 6:38:55 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

I never said anything about “instant socialism.” You were the one that wrote that “socialism is never temporary.” The USRA and the WWII War Production Board we’re not designed to implement socialism either permanently or n the short term . They were designed, justifiably or not, to control American industries to facilitate the war effort.


44 posted on 09/20/2018 7:31:16 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Well, nothing I said contradicts itself.

No socialistic tactic necessarily implements socialism permanently. It always leaves the seeds for more socialism if ever repealed. I’ve posted several examples, including out of the writings of socialists themselves.

The USRA was never needed to facilitate the efforts to support WWI, which was my point, especially at the time it was implemented. The Railroad Control Act reads like parts of Obamacare; do take note of that. Not to mention, Wilson’s takeover of the railroads actually preceded the Railroad Control Act by three months. Wilson had also been assaulting the railroads with government price controls and forcing the eight-hour work day on them in years prior to this.


45 posted on 09/20/2018 8:00:32 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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46 posted on 09/23/2018 10:14:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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