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Democratic Debacle (1964 convention, repercussions today)
America Heritage ^ | July 2004 (cover date) | Joshua Zeitz

Posted on 07/27/2004 9:59:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

On Saturday they would appear before the convention’s Credentials Committee and ask to be seated as the official Mississippi state delegation... Shortly after he signed the Civil Rights Act, Lyndon Johnson told his aide Joseph Califano, "I think we’ve delivered the South to the Republican party for your lifetime and mine." Maybe so, but he was determined to hold onto the region long enough to ensure his own re-election; the opinion polls might show him leading the Republican candidate, Barry Goldwater, by an enormous margin, but he was desperate not to stoke the fires of sectional conflict. Only one thing stood in the way of party harmony: the Mississippi Freedom Democrats. If the national convention agreed to seat the MFDP instead of the Mississippi regulars... all hell would break loose among the other Southern state delegations... What precise words Johnson and Humphrey exchanged in late August may never be known, but by the time the MFDP began presenting its case to the Credentials Committee on Saturday, August 22, it was clear that Johnson had dangled the Vice Presidency before his friend from Minnesota. However, the prize carried a steep price. Humphrey would have to cash in on his liberal credentials to stop the convention from seating the MFDP.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanheritage.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1964; 2004; civilrights; election; elections; goldwater; hhh; lbj
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

1 posted on 07/27/2004 9:59:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Eyes...font...hard to read....


2 posted on 07/27/2004 10:16:45 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Do Chernobyl restaurants serve Curied chicken?)
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To: Jeff Chandler
That's hard to believe. Maybe it's just eye trouble.
3 posted on 07/27/2004 10:29:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: ValerieUSA
Stumbled over this old, related topic quite by accident:
Book excerpt: LBJ outfoxed HHH
Mpls Red)Star Tribune ^ | 3/2/02 | Eric Black

Posted on 03/02/2002 4:15:04 PM PST by Valin
Edited on 04/13/2004 3:36:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

As senators in the early 1950s, Hubert Humphrey and Lyndon Johnson became friends and allies, each hoping to use the other to advance his own ambitions, according to an excerpt from a new book by Johnson biographer Robert Caro.

But Johnson, the master manipulator, outfoxed Humphrey and laid the groundwork for a relationship that would evolve into the humiliation of Humphrey during the years (1964-68) when Humphrey was Johnson's running mate and vice president, according to Caro's new book, which is excerpted in the March 4 issue of the New Yorker magazine.
Excerpted - click for full article ^
Source: http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/1902670.html

The book itself didn't want to show up in Amazon's search engine until I found the actual title of the book (other titles, not this one, showed up in author name search).

Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson Master of the Senate:
The Years of Lyndon Johnson

by Robert A. Caro


4 posted on 07/31/2004 6:57:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv

5 posted on 07/31/2004 7:01:34 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Used to be sciencediet (aka Tad Rad) but found the solution)
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To: Lady Jag
:')
6 posted on 07/31/2004 9:29:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...

Read this, please. It tells the tale that has become the morally bankrupt Dems.


7 posted on 07/31/2004 9:34:00 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: SunkenCiv

8 posted on 07/31/2004 9:38:40 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Used to be sciencediet (aka Tad Rad) but found the solution)
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To: narses

Bye, freakshow.

Long live the Free Republic!


9 posted on 07/31/2004 11:46:09 PM PDT by Tuco Ramirez (Ideas have consequences.)
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To: narses; broadsword

Here's a joke you may appreciate....
Kerry was going to visit the Catholic National Cathedral outside Washington as part of his campaign.
Kerry's campaign manager made a visit to the Cardinal and said to him, "We've been getting a lot of bad publicity among Catholics because of Kerry's position on abortion and the like. We'd gladly make a contribution to the church of $100,000 if during your sermon you'd say John Kerry is a saint."
The Cardinal thinks it over for a moment and agrees to do it.
Kerry shows up, and as the Mass progresses the Cardinal begins his homily. "John Kerry is petty, a self absorbed hypocrite and a nit-wit. He is a liar, a cheat, and a thief. He is the worst example of a Catholic I've ever personally known. But compared to Ted Kennedy, John Kerry is a saint.


10 posted on 08/01/2004 12:23:28 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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To: narses
...the morally bankrupt Dems.

You aren't kidding, my friend. Degeneracy, amorality, intellectual bankruptcy, fringe mania, victimhood, blame-only mentality, hatred, anger, vice and socially destructive behavior are the only remaining binding forces of the Babykiller Party.

Anyone who votes Democrat these day is a disordered soul. You can bank on that.
11 posted on 08/01/2004 2:35:33 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts national defense.)
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The Winds of Political Change — And Why You Almost Never Feel Them Coming
American Heritage | February/March 2005 | Kevin Baker
Posted on 03/07/2005 12:52:13 AM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1357510/posts


12 posted on 11/09/2007 10:38:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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New URL for this article is:

http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/2004/3/2004_3_59.shtml


13 posted on 11/10/2007 2:53:03 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster
Here's what I found very interesting in that article.

Johnson’s close aide Walter Jenkins asked Cartha D. “Deke” DeLoach, assistant to the director of the FBI, to set up covert surveillance of the MFDP and Martin Luther King, Jr. For several days the FBI used wiretaps and bugs to record and relay reports of the MFDP’s strategy sessions to the President’s advisers. At the same time, agents posing as NBC reporters (and working with the network’s explicit approval) tricked MFDP strategists into revealing “off-the-record” information that ultimately proved useful to Johnson’s surrogates.

Has NBC ever 'apologized'? ;~))
14 posted on 11/10/2007 3:43:05 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: SunkenCiv

Error 404—Not Found
From RFC 2068 Hypertext Transfer Protocol — HTTP/1.1:
10.4.5 404 Not Found


15 posted on 11/10/2007 4:00:21 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: arthurus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1179981/posts?page=13#13


16 posted on 11/10/2007 8:29:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: arthurus; SunkenCiv; All
Snag a string of words with quotation marks, e.g. "MFDP began presenting its case to the Credentials Committee on Saturday, August 22"

Then enter it in a search engine:

"MFDP began presenting its case to the Credentials Committee on Saturday, August 22"

17 posted on 11/10/2007 11:57:42 AM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

a topic from a few years ago, with a link to one from five years ago.

LBJ’s Disgust at Clinton Mentor Bragging About Signing Southern Manifesto
Lyndon Baines Johnson Library Oral History Collection
6/21/77 (date of interview) | Michael L. Gillete
Posted on 12/25/2002 1:49:33 PM EST by Doctor Raoul
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/812203/posts


18 posted on 01/13/2008 7:06:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: SunkenCiv
#11...the morally bankrupt Dems.

You aren't kidding, my friend. Degeneracy, amorality, intellectual bankruptcy, fringe mania, victimhood, blame-only mentality, hatred, anger, vice and socially destructive behavior are the only remaining binding forces of the Babykiller Party.

Anyone who votes Democrat these day is a disordered soul. You can bank on that.

11 posted on 08/01/2004 2:35:33 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts national defense.)

BROADSWORD! COME BACK!

19 posted on 01/13/2008 7:56:17 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The “Southern Manifesto”

102 Cong. Rec. 4515-16 (1956)

[Signed March 1956 by 19 Senators and 81 Representatives from the South—including all of Georgia’s congressional delegation] .

We regard the decision of the Supreme Court in the school cases as a clear abuse of judicial power. It climaxes a trend in the Federal judiciary undertaking to legislate, in derogation of the authority of Congress, and to encroach upon the reserved rights of the States and the people.

The original Constitution does not mention education. Neither does the 14th amendment nor any other amendment. The debates preceding the submission of the 14th amendment clearly show that there was no intent that it should affect the systems of education maintained by the States.

The very Congress which proposed the amendment subsequently provided for segregated schools in the District of Columbia.

When the amendment was adopted, in 1868, there were 37 States of the Union. Every one of the 26 States that had any substantial racial differences among its people either approved the operation of segregated schools already in existence or subsequently established such schools by action of the same lawmaking body which considered the 14th amendment.

Though there has been no constitutional amendment or act of Congress changing this established legal principle almost a century old, the Supreme Court of the United States, with no legal basis for such action, undertook to exercise their naked judicial power and substituted their personal political and social ideas for the established law of the land.

This unwarranted exercise of power by the Court, contrary to the Constitution, is creating chaos and confusion in the States principally affected. It is destroying the amicable relations between the white and Negro races that have been created through 90 years of patient effort by the good people of both races. It has planted hatred and suspicion where there has been heretofore friendship and understanding.

With the gravest concern for the explosive and dangerous condition created by this decision and inflamed by outside meddlers:

We reaffirm our reliance on the Constitution as the fundamental law of the land.

We decry the Supreme Court’s encroachments on rights reserved to the States and to the people, contrary to established law and to the Constitution.

We commend the motives of those States which have declared the intention to resist forced integration by any lawful means. . . .

We pledge ourselves to use all lawful means to bring about a reversal of this decision which is contrary to the Constitution and to prevent the use of force in its implementatioN.


So...I found it and cut and pasted it here, read it twice, but I’m an Aussie and can’t say I fully understand what it all means. Would you care to translate for me?


20 posted on 01/13/2008 8:03:51 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Back in the 1830s... heh heh... John C. Calhoun led or at least is the best known champion of the “Nullification Controversy”; the view was, individual states didn’t have to follow federal law, iow, they could nullify them by legislative acts. This is part of the proslavery movement which led (in time) to the Civil War (1861-65), which led to the deaths of about 2 per cent of the US population back then. If we pulled that today, it would be six million, back then it was a mere 630,000, more than all other US wars COMBINED. :’)

Later, there was the Dixiecrat movement, which nominated Strom Thurmond for president in, hmm, 1948. The cry then, as now, and as in the 1860s, was “states’ rights”. It is and always has been bogus. Only individuals have rights; the only powers given to gov’t by the people are spelled out in the Constitution as amended, iow, our rights are not a gov’t grant. The Constitution is framed to assure separation of powers, and a sort of division of labor, and also (via the bicameral congress and 49 of the 50 state legislatures) a balance between geography (the individual states) and population.

The original language of the Constitution didn’t forbid slavery, and in fact made allowances for slave populations when calculating representation in the House of Representatives — despite the fact that the slaves had no votes. In the eventual, short-lived Confederate States of America, there were 9 million people, of whom 4 million were slaves; those states remaining in the Union (as it was called during the War) had about 21 million, including a very small number of slaves (since slavery wasn’t illegal anywhere until the 13th Amendment).

By contrast, Britain outlawed slavery, hmm, it sez 1770 in one place (and that is NOT true) and 1807 in another (I think it was de facto not illegal in British colonies until much later). Britain built ships for the Confederate navy, consorted with Confederate agents and ambassadors, and came within an nth of recognizing the Confederate States of America. Britain sent observers to various battles to observe how the CSA was doing; in the movie “Gettysburg” (the 1863 battle which began the decline and defeat of Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia; the greatest battle ever fought in the western hemisphere, and may it always be so) there’s a scene where one of the principal actors was explaining to the British observer who was who in the Confederate corps assigned to Pickett’s Charge (which turned into the disaster of disasters for the CSA, and was Lee’s monumental blunder), but I don’t know if that is one of those whole-cloth things.

The late Shelby Foote, in interview snippets in Ken Burns’ “The Civil War” — IMHO, the greatest TV show of all time — said a couple of things worth mentioning; one is that as Americans we like to say we don’t compromise, but our entire Constitution and system of gov’t is based on compromise, and in 1860 it fell apart. He also referred to the Civil War as “the crossroads of our being, and it was a Hell of a crossroads.”

Anyway, the Civil War was about slavery, no ifs ands or buts about it. The Confederate Battle Flag wavers (here on FR, and elsewhere) will whine that it was about Northern Aggression (like when the CSA fired on the federal forts to start the war) or about sovereignty, but a quick visit to the Ordinances of Secession for the various states, or the Cornerstone Speech (below) rips the guts out of those claims.

March 21, 1861, Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephens
http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/stephans.html


21 posted on 01/13/2008 8:39:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: SunkenCiv

thanks, you can take a break now LOL! I will read it again tomorrow, plus the link.


22 posted on 01/13/2008 8:49:08 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: AskStPhilomena
Kerry was going to visit the Catholic National Cathedral outside Washington as part of his campaign. Kerry's campaign manager made a visit to the Cardinal and said to him, "We've been getting a lot of bad publicity among Catholics because of Kerry's position on abortion and the like. We'd gladly make a contribution to the church of $100,000 if during your sermon you'd say John Kerry is a saint." The Cardinal thinks it over for a moment and agrees to do it. Kerry shows up, and as the Mass progresses the Cardinal begins his homily. "John Kerry is petty, a self absorbed hypocrite and a nit-wit. He is a liar, a cheat, and a thief. He is the worst example of a Catholic I've ever personally known. But compared to Ted Kennedy, John Kerry is a saint.

ROFL. Good joke.

23 posted on 03/06/2008 3:49:40 PM PST by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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THE GOLDWATER MYTH
New Majority | February 27, 2009 | David Frum
Posted on 03/06/2009 4:35:47 PM PST by yongin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2201080/posts


24 posted on 03/09/2009 6:41:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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