Posted on 08/30/2023 9:28:59 AM PDT by MeganC
“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev.
Russian politician Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia has the right to go to war with NATO.
Writing on Twitter, now X, he said: "Ukrainian criminals have announced that any strikes of theirs against whatever Russian target, “for example, in Crimea” were approved by NATO."
"If it is true – and there is no reason to doubt it is – then, this is a direct legally significant proof of the West’s complicity in the war against Russia. It is a refined casus belli, and for Russia, it is an opportunity to act within the jus ad bellum framework against each and every NATO country."
Part of just war theory, which was first developed in ancient Greece and is still used by some Christians today, casus belli is an act or situation that morally justifies conflict, with jus ad bellum referring to conditions under which a state can resort to war.
Ukrainian forces have repeatedly attacked Crimea, occupied by Russia in 2014, in a bid to liberate the Black Sea peninsula. Western capitals provided Kyiv with weaponry and equipment after Russia invaded in February 2022, though it is unclear if they are providing more direct military assistance.
Medvedev has often taken to social media to write provocative and inflammatory statements about the Ukraine war and its Western allies.
He is widely seen as a stopgap for Vladimir Putin, serving as prime minister during the 2000s, while Putin changed the constitution to allow him another presidential term.
In Tuesday's tweet, Medvedev warned "apocalypse" was "drawing nearer", quoting biblical verse and old Soviet leaders.
These included: “And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them,” from Revelation 9:6, the final book of the New Testament in the bible.
He then added: “We are remembered until we stand in the others’ way,” attributed to Vladimir Lenin, who led the Bolshevik Revolution and was the Soviet Union's first leader.
Medvedev, Russia's Deputy Chairman of the Security Council, ended the tweet with a notorious quote from former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev that was made to Western ambassadors in 1956.
"Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you," it read.
At the time, the phrase was received very negatively in the West. However, modern translators have since suggested Khrushchev's words were mistranslated.
Most of Medvedev's past threats have rung hollow or provoked ridicule online from large numbers of social media users.
In May, he referred to the Baltics as belonging to Russia, adding Poland was "temporarily occupied" due to NATO's presence inside the country, including 10,000 US troops, according to AP.
The three small Baltic States - Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia - were occupied by the USSR until it collapsed in 1991. The Soviet Union is viewed negatively by large swathes of the population, who have embraced their future within the EU and NATO.
Worries have grown in the Baltics about the threat posed by Russia since it invaded Ukraine last February. The trio are vocal supporters of Kyiv, providing aid, arms and hosting significant populations of Ukrainian refugees.
Though not directly in the USSR, Poland was a satellite state of the Soviet Union. The communist system, which was popularly perceived as corrupt and ineffectual, collapsed in 1989.
Since it was invaded by Russian troops, Western states have provided Ukraine with crucial military and financial assistance, essential to the country's self-defence.
In April, it was revealed special forces from the West were on the ground in Ukraine, though it was unclear what exactly they were doing.
Medvedev, who served as Russian PM between 2000 - 2004, has emerged as a virulent anti-West, pro-war voice within the Kremlin. He was once considered a pro-Western democrat.
I’m pretty sure the Vindman brothers could take on the entire Russki Army by themselves.
The EuroNews title is itself amusing. The "right" seems a EuroNews interpretation of what was said. There are three instances of "right: in the article. One in the title, one in the prose and one as half of the "copyright" mention at the bottom of the article. Interesting how the media works. The title and article were reprised by Yahoo!News, since their "reporting" usually involves reprinting others.
One finds: "Medvedev's post on Twitter came following Britain's Foreign Secretary James Cleverly's statement that Ukraine 'has the legitimate right to … project force beyond its borders to undermine Russia's ability to project force into Ukraine itself'.”
Source: https://www.jpost.com/international/article-744805
The Twitter answer to Cleverly restates Cleverly's use of "right." But the tweet does not use the word again. So it turns out the use of the word is Cleverly's.
Clever, eh?
Source: https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1663784322480873472
So using quotations -- single, one observes, not double quotation marks -- cleverly suggests the word was Medvedev's. It was Cleverly's.
As to war, it turns out we all have the possibility of using "war" against another nation. Happens all the time. We shouldn't forget that. But we do.
“Name a SINGLE NATO MEMBER that has not invaded Russia.”
Spain, Norway, the U.K., the U.S.A., Federal Republic of Germany, Poland, Denmark, Turkey, Greece,
Do we really need to keep going?
To: entropy12
I don’t want to see Russia conquered. I want it eradicated.
37 posted on 6/19/2023, 11:09:36 AM by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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Your derangement and wish for genocide is duly noted.
Man’s got a point. We’ve been supplying Ukraine with billions of taxpayer-funded military equipment, along with the use of our spy planes and satellite information. We’ve trained them for free. We gave them cluster munitions that they continually use on civilians. We’ve given them drones. Armor. Artillery.
The US government is directly involved. And we can’t pretend that they’re not.
If you think all those long time vets and leaders were all on the same plane, you’re not bright. Mind your own yard. It’s a bloody mess. I’m trying to do the same. Worry less about things you clearly don’t understand.
Our tranny military couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
And Russia isn’t the enemy - this place sounds like DU lately with all this Russia, Russia, Russia BS lately.
Totally ignoring the reasons that Russia went into Ukraine in the first place.
Putin himself has said Russia cannot win a conventional war with NATO. A vid of him stating so was posted on FR shortly B4 Russia invaded Ukraine.
Moreover, that was B4 Sweden and Finland decided to sign up (with NATO).
Go see post #27 in this topic for an example of someone who sees Russia as synoymous with the USSR.
You are forgetting that the US is not the only “Allied” country producing artillery shells. Rheinmetall alone will boost production to 600,000 rounds in 2024, which is over 1/4 of that 6000 / day. The South Koreans are quite capable too, and... Well, the list is quite long. All that requires money, so, I would not say GDP is ENTIRELY irrelevant.
Moreover, cluster munitions are relevant, since both sides are already using them (Russia first, thank you) in Ukraine, and the US has immense stocks of cluster munitions that never got scrapped because someone “conveniently” neglected to fund the scrapping even though it was stated policy. I read a Human Rights Watch article on this last year, and while head scratching and further web research to try to figure out what really HAS been scrapped turns up a range of quantities, a rough guess would be that the US has around 20 million cluster munitions of various types remaining.
All this misses the point that in (heaven forbid) a direct NATO vs. Russia war, NATO would not likely fight an extended artillery / short range missile duel with Russia in the 1st place. This has ben a sort of proxy war where we’ve largely limited Ukraine to that, plus whatever they can make or turn up in the way of drones, not even supplying ATACMS. I call it Biden’s weak stream of popgun weapons.
Meanwhile Russia has been using almost its entire range of conventional weapons.
Do you seriously think that in a direct NATO vs. Russia war, NATO would refrain from using its other conventional assets?
“Rheinmetall alone will boost production to 600,000 rounds in 2024, “
Which factory is this, the one in South Africa ?
“US is not the only “Allied” country producing artillery shells. “
Well, you are right, there. France is doubling production to 600 per week.
The issue is the decay and incompetence of the USA industrial base.
The US can’t get to 6000/day until 2026.
That’s longer than the f*cking Manhattan Project, to produce 1/3 the Russian output !
While the Russian military-industrial base is dependent upon cannibalizing washing machines for their microchips and repurposing them for missiles.
Impressive!
Regards,
True.
Thankfully Putin is the first presidente of Russia to try at addressing it. It is now a World Wide issue. I believe God never approved birth control. What nation invented the danged pill?
Being able to use commercial chips that they produce, or buy from China, beats some proprietary chip from Motorola Classified Defence Production which has been out of production for 20 years, the production equipment long gone, and the employees retired or deceased.
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