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***FYI*** JUST SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT NUCLEAR WAR COULD MEAN
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Posted on 10/05/2001 5:28:17 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK

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To: GVNR
post #38 Me too. I am 12 miles from a dot on my state map.
41 posted on 10/05/2001 6:31:26 PM PDT by cyberwatcher
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To: cyberwatcher
Where'd everybody go? Checking out the state maps?
42 posted on 10/05/2001 6:40:16 PM PDT by cyberwatcher
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Thank you for posting this...

I'm also printing it to share with others (who aren't 'online')

I feel it's best to have information, and know whats what...instead of being in some sort of panic and trying to think straight!

43 posted on 10/05/2001 6:42:48 PM PDT by SunnyUsa
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To: SunnyUsa
I agree!
44 posted on 10/05/2001 6:47:20 PM PDT by cyberwatcher
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Should citizens stockpile antibiotics?

NO. Keeping a stockpile of antibiotics is, in short, a bad idea. While antibiotics would be used to treat individuals who might fall ill during a disease outbreak, the use of these medications should always be done at the direction of a physician.

This is the same arguement they made against stockpiling emergency supplies for Y2K. "It's not fair to hoard. The government has everything under control. You're doing more harm than good."

I don't see anything wrong with stockpiling antibiotics. Should there be an emergency, there won't be a shortage of doctors to tell you what to take. There will be a shortage of drugs to take. There's nothing wrong with self-reliance. Think of it as Darwinian natural selection. People who have the foresight to prepare will survive.

45 posted on 10/05/2001 6:48:54 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: Centurion2000;GVNR;grassontop
Laying down and dying is for liberals ... not freepers and conservatives.

Amen! As Nietsche said, "That which does not kill us makes us strong."

46 posted on 10/05/2001 6:51:38 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: Gorzaloon
No, let me tell you what will really happen:
A holocaust against Islam by the enraged survivors that will make Stalin and Hitler look like girl scouts.

My thoughts exactly. 9-11 took people by surprise. Even if it occured to them to strike back, they wouldn't know where to find a mosque or a muslim. Now they know. If there's a follow-up terrorist attack (like CIA says there will be) I wouldn't want to be a Mohammadan in America...

47 posted on 10/05/2001 6:55:15 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: GVNR
Two items here:

1. WHERE is the FEMA map?
2. Can anyone tell me if those filtration systems on new refrigerators would remove contaminates?

Thank you in advance.

BTW, I'm a 60 year old grandmother and I just want to say I have a gun or two.... Nothing would delight me more than to cast my eyes on one of those little buggers in my neighborhood when things heat up. I'd be wearin' my guns and it would please the hell out of me to be able to shoot them down like dogs. BRING 'EM ON! ....say WE don't have the courage to go to war.... say WE are chicken.... heheh

48 posted on 10/05/2001 7:00:32 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I tend to discount the links since "biological" is mispelled. If they hit us
with bio-agents, most people will be fine if personnel movement ceases.
49 posted on 10/05/2001 7:08:00 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: dbbeebs
most people will be fine if personnel movement ceases.

LOL, FReepers will thus survive- we spend very little time moving anywhere since our fingers are fused to our keyboards.

50 posted on 10/05/2001 7:16:16 PM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa
ROFL how true!!! {:o)
51 posted on 10/05/2001 7:17:42 PM PDT by cyberwatcher
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To: Humidston
2. Can anyone tell me if those filtration systems on new refrigerators would remove contaminates?

I can't resist...

What are you gonna do...live inside the refrigerator?

Sorry.

52 posted on 10/05/2001 7:17:46 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: George from New England
LOL I was wondering the same thing.
53 posted on 10/05/2001 7:19:25 PM PDT by cyberwatcher
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To: George from New England
What are you gonna do...live inside the refrigerator?

It can be done... ever been in a frat house and looked in their fridge? therein is the very basis of life- primordial ooze.

54 posted on 10/05/2001 7:23:14 PM PDT by piasa
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To: RightWhale
OK, but what if Osama only gets one bomb off. What if it's not a "general nuclear war"? Should everyone who survives the blast just kiss their butts good-bye?

In the cold war days it made sense. No one was going to survive 6000 nukes. But one nuke?

Yes, we need to learn to protect ourselves from a few days of bad radiation -- then drive to the next county 10 days later and go on with life.

"I would be beyond worrying. if we get a general nuclear war, it's going to be bad beyond understanding."

55 posted on 10/05/2001 7:40:44 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Humidston
Simultaneous detonations of eight primitive nuclear weapons can EXCEED the destructive capabilities of thermonuclear weapons of the sizes that now predominate. These "small" tactical weapons are far more dangerous than has been publicly acknowledged
56 posted on 10/05/2001 7:54:23 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Grassontop
What if your city was the ONLY city hit?

The "kiss your butt good-bye" days are over.

It's time to learn to survive.

57 posted on 10/05/2001 7:55:46 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Grassontop
What if your city was the ONLY city hit?

The "kiss your butt good-bye" days are over.

It's time to learn to survive.

58 posted on 10/05/2001 7:56:19 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Well, if all this makes those who don't know any better feel better - then so be it. Having gone through some pretty intensive NBC training in the Army, all I can say is that I wish I still had my old M117 gas mask - so I could sell to some sap that thinks it will do him good.

The chance of an effective bio attack from terrorists is very small because of the logistics involved, and would require the equivalent of biological suicide bombers, already in country, so they could spread antigens by physical contact with an infected terrorists. Gas masks are not effective against bio threats anyway.

Chemical agents? Unless you are going to walk around with it already on your face all day (terribly uncomfortable - I know since I spent 48 hours in one once), you will probably be thoroughly contaminated long before the threat is even identified. If you see choking people on the ground around you, or birds dropping on your head, its to late. Take a deep breath and get it over with. In any case, disseminating them in sufficient quantities to do real damage is difficult, and probably beyond the technical abilty of most terrorists (that includes crop dusters which would have to have all the spray nozzles changed, and then filled and flown by someone in a full chemical suit so they could avoid killing themselves before completing their mission).

Gas masks? Well you better make sure that the mask you buy is serviceable - do you know how to check? Are the filters (if it even has any) the right type for the chemical attack expected? Most surplus masks and their filters are not serviceable, which is why they're sold as surplus. Filters for combat are kept factory sealed until just before they are expected to be needed, and only then issued to troops to make sure they are fresh (the filters in the masks that our troops carry around during training and initial deployments are not considered combat effective, and most have been contaminated by CS during trainiing and are no good - a fact most soldiers don't learn about until the balloon is about to go up and the NBC officer shows up to issue new filters!)

Ground delivered nukes (i.e. backpack nukes, etc)? If they had them they would have used them by now. Its gonna be much more difficult to try that in the future. If they manage it, get behind a wall and pray when you see the flash. Wait 48 hours and see if you show signs of severe radiation poisoning. If so, get a gun and kill yourself.

The biggest threat is if one of these sand monkies gets hold of some nuclear waste and dumps it in a reservoir. It won't take a lot to contaminate the water supply and unless the government is monitoring the water, we'll all be consuming radiated minerals in suspension in the water. Not enough to make you sick right away, but maybe enough to give you cancer in a year or two.

If you are thinking about buying a gas mask, save your money. You'll get more mileage and satisfaction out of Pizza and beer. There are way too many people putting up panic posts about nuclear, biological and chemical threats who know only enough to scare themselves and others. This panic is also being promulgated by the press, which only likes to quote ignorant doom and gloomers with books to push.

60 posted on 10/05/2001 8:19:42 PM PDT by PsyOp
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