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How badly do you want to live? How much do you love your country and wish it to go on as it ONCE was? The shining light of the world. The Islamists won't quit you know. They won't quit if we kill half of them and lay waste to half the hostile ME nations. They won't quit and they will escalate to whatever level possible to them.
1 posted on 10/20/2001 10:12:17 AM PDT by mercy
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To: mercy
You need to chill, dude. We're doing all the right things.
2 posted on 10/20/2001 10:15:43 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: mercy
Yes I think political correctness will have to die before our country can be saved. This is a different kind of war, it's on US soil. Our lives are at extreme risk, 7000 already killed in their workplaces. Our leaders are exposed to anthrax and some have gone off to hide. The PC crowd marches on in peace protests working to help destroy the US with their Muslim allies who they only think are allies but will turn on them too when it's time to impose Sharia on everyone. It's going to be a 3-way war.
4 posted on 10/20/2001 10:25:28 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: mercy
Political Corectness is a joke and a farce, but it IS still very dangerous. A friend of mine refers to it as the De-balling of America. Personally, I think she's correct.

That being said, I think PC and it's adherents (sp??) are one of the most dangerous forces currently within our nation. Even more so, IMHO, than any terrorist cells that may be present. Terrorists may kill PEOPLE, but PC'ers kill our way of life.

8 posted on 10/20/2001 10:32:52 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: mercy
Muslims, or Islamists as you call them, aren't of one mind more than any other large religion.
How can we generalize the Muslim who prays five times a day, and votes somewhere between John Birch and Barry Goldwater? (P.S. She lives near Phoenix and owns two small businesses.)
12 posted on 10/20/2001 10:40:47 AM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: mercy
FYI...
PC Security
Source: INSIGHT magazine; Published: October 19, 2001
Author: J. Michael Waller

14 posted on 10/20/2001 10:44:55 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: mercy
I understand your point of view and in a world where we could wave a magic wand and make all dangers (and dangerous people)disappear I would wave that wand.

But, the US is a magical place. And one of the reasons is that its jurisdiction is sanctuary. Anyone on American territory is under the protection of the Constitution. Start to destroy it for some and you may destroy it for all.

I would have no problem with law enforcement systematically examining everyone who may be a danger and taking appropriate action on an individual basis. I would have serious problems with mass actions against a targeted ethnicity even though, admittedly, I am not fond of the group.

15 posted on 10/20/2001 10:47:42 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: mercy
It's just plain ole cowardice. That's all it is.

The cowardice is not in the people who practice PC, it is in those who are intimitaded by it and who won't stand against. A good example is the Navy's apology for the message written on the bomb to be dropped on OBL. The Navy should have told these faggots that the men fighting this war and putting their lives an the line can say whatever the hell they want to say to the enemy.

17 posted on 10/20/2001 10:50:38 AM PDT by gunshy
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To: mercy
If this nations government had over the past 50 years conformed to it's purpose as defined within the Constitution, we would not have the problems that we are not dealing with. Sooner or later, we will figure out that our government is the problem, both internal and external to the nation.

---max

21 posted on 10/20/2001 10:57:11 AM PDT by max61
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To: mercy
FYI. You may have read this, but in case you missed it. PC Terrorism
24 posted on 10/20/2001 11:01:33 AM PDT by Rockitz
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To: mercy
Laugh at the politically correct. Belittle them subtly. Pretend they must be joking with you when they are not.
29 posted on 10/20/2001 11:06:22 AM PDT by copycat
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To: mercy
Even if the Islamists (let's no longer call them JUST terrorists) do not have real 'suitcase nukes' they DO have 'dirty nukes'. A dirty nuke is just a bunch of plastique wrapped up in plutonium or other nuclear material. Results equal massive radiation poisoning.

I personally believe this is the reason we haven't taken Osama out yet. We know exactly where he is. We are just trying to ascertain through his communications and those of other of his associates where these suitcase nukes are. They may well be right here in our own backyard. If he is about to check out or our boys are knocking on his door, I'm sure he'd give the order to detonate. Right now I'd say this is the only thing keeping him alive.

31 posted on 10/20/2001 11:07:57 AM PDT by Rockitz
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To: mercy
Very thought provoking Mercy. I appreciate you flagging me on this. You know as well as I do that not only do we have to fight the enemy overseas, we have to fight the enemy within our borders. In the end, liberals will be the death of us if we don't rid the country of them and their thinking.
36 posted on 10/20/2001 11:12:18 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: mercy
I don't agree with you. I don't believe that this is Islam vs. the US. The terrorists have distorted their religion, just as we have seen some cult leaders do with other religions. It's not a matter of being PC, it's a matter of looking at the facts, IMO.

Bin Laden would like nothing better than for this to be turned into an Islam vs. the US war. Our stand has nothing to do with being PC. As far as I am concerned, our war is with the terrorists. Period.

37 posted on 10/20/2001 11:18:17 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: mercy
Mega Bump. Those that underestimate the Islamic Enemy from within and without are fools.
39 posted on 10/20/2001 11:19:16 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: mercy
PC is iin it's death throes. With every attack upon us or other nations it will become a little sicker until it is unPC to be PC. Then we have to be vigilant, very vigilant!
60 posted on 10/20/2001 11:47:08 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: mercy
Political Correctness has been a deadly tool in the hands of those with both common and diverse agendas, against the natural born citizens of the USofA, and those new citizens whose hearts are for American and for the dream held out by America.

Our government is no longer a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, anyone who still believes that needs a shrink. Our government is now a corporation, it is only "of, for, and by", in so far as it grants the ability of a diverse mix of people, they don't care who, to come and grease the wheels of the corporation, and that is the extent of their concern or care about us, our foundations, our destiny, our morals, or our doctrines and principles.

We are free to hold our doctrines and principles, only in so far as they do not clash with the goals and aims of the Corporation, which is to promote it's power, influence, and wealth. Liberals, just like heads of Labor Unions, negotiate the rights of the workers and those that don't work.

Where does that leave us Conservative Constitutionalists? Out in the cold, thats where. Those of us that believe that the foundations on which we began are critical to our individual freedom, the protection of our future, and a cherished birth right, to be guarded and passed down, in order to sustain individual freedoms are a big problem to the Corporation. The Corporation doesn't have such high flung ideals, the Corporation feels it should be able to dish out individual freedom at their control and benevolence in a way that is good for the Corporation and the sustaining of it's influence and power, if that clashes with individual rights, such as gun ownership, then those rights must go. After all what is good for the Corporation is good for the "right" individuals that understand and appreciate the Corporation.

If the Corporation is threatened, as it is now, then it is acceptable to put it's citizens in harms way if in so doing it ensures that the Corporation can continue with it's free trade, the wealth of Arab money buying influence, oil to run on, and cheap imported labor to operate with.

After all, get a grip, it is much easier to replace citizens that may be wiped out with new imports, rather than stop the "Doctrine of Free Trade", snake oil, that we are selling the rest of the world, the open border policies we promote, globalism, and World Government. What better thing to give you and your loved ones life and freedoms for eh? You can die a hero to the generation of worker bees that will come after you, and raise the economic level of individuals in the entire third world. Not to mention the fact that many pesky Constitutionalist may be wiped out in by terrorism, you know, those idiots that think they need to guard and pass down what the sacred blood of their ancestors bought for them to following generations that will treasure and uphold them. After all third worlders coming here really think they are free in comparison to where they have come from.

All that has to be done by the Corporation is say a few patriotic words, reassure the public, tell frightened citizens to spend that money, don't let the terrorists win, time to move forward, nothing to see here, etc. If elite Corporate members face a real threat however, they are to abandon the scene and head for cover immediately. Gas masks can be found all over the appropriate buildings. Welcome to Amerika, we are united, at least that is the way I see it so far.

Are we conservatives just being selfish, holding on to freedoms we don't need, hanging on to old ways, or are we the watch dogs of individual freedom, demanding an accountability on the part of a government that says "there is no controlling legal authority"? Do you own a farm, property? You may just be selfish and standing in the way of Corporate earnings and consuming resources that will benefit the hive. We do live in interesting times don't we.

67 posted on 10/20/2001 12:01:32 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: mercy; oldngray

thanks for your kind invitation, mercy. for the most part, i agree with your theme.

i have little to add to this thread, having read oldngray’s analysis. well put, sir.
i might say that you both seem to be a touch more optimistic than i.

we have everything to lose, our enemy has nothing. that makes for a very dangerous
and determined foe, and yes, they are here among us.
as long as we are comfy, and allow our enemies free reign, they will take whatever
they can. mercy, i don’t share your opinion that this is a stall or ruse... our government is
not that organized or directed, yet. it is still in kneejerk mode. at least, it is
jerking in good directions. sadly, i fear that we will become very, well, uncomfortable
before the steps needed are taken.

pray it won’t be too late.

is pc dead? is it a hate crime to shoot the raghead or camel jockey, as opposed to
shooting the “alleged hijacker?” if and when reality sinks in, or literally hits home,
pc will be irrelevant.

shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry.

84 posted on 10/20/2001 12:49:08 PM PDT by glock rocks
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To: mercy
The PC crowd is being defeated. We should never let up on them but they are losing influence by the day.
92 posted on 10/20/2001 2:58:41 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: mercy
Exactly right. Political correctness represents a severe weakness for our side, while being a valuable tool and strength for our enemies. PC policies will indeed be the death of us, that's why IT must die along with terrorism. If the Bush Administration or the government bows to this suicidally stupid, insane philosophy, we will not only lose this war, but forever be plagued by endless terrorism, but disillusionment, despiritment, and eventual defeat. Piss on political correctness and all of its stupid adherents. The quickest way to lose this war and bury future American children under another ground zero of terrorist destruction is to placate, appease, and play games with these conciousless, malignant, poachers of human life; the scum of the earth. Americans will NOT tolerate another damned Vietnam or worse.
113 posted on 10/21/2001 12:23:52 AM PDT by Imperial Warrior
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Thanks for the heads up. I can NOT honestly say I disagree with what you have said. Well written and thought out. Much food for thought here.
117 posted on 10/21/2001 1:18:39 AM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas
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