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BLACK FLAGS of Islam -- Portents of the Imam al-Mahdi?
Various | 10/28/2001 | Sabertooth, others

Posted on 10/28/2001 3:58:18 PM PST by Sabertooth

     Black Flags of Islam  

Portents of the Imam al-Mahdi, the Moslems' prophesied deliverer of Jerusalem?

from Diane Alden…

Afghanistan has special significance to the world of militant Islam.
It was once called Khurasan, along with parts of Iran and Pakistan.

Muhammad said: "If you see the black flags coming from Khurasan, join that army, even if you have to crawl over ice, for that is the army of the Imam al-Mahdi and no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem."

That is one reason Osama bin Laden chose it as his base, or al-Qaida.

Mohammed's Prophecies
of the Imam al-Mahdi

Will Osama Appear In Pakistan?

Be vigilant for jihadin carrying black flags.

On the wall behind this black-masked Hamas terrorist is a poster of Osama bin Laden.
Note the two black flags around the poster.

Anyone have a translation of the Arabic on the poster, or know just which black flags these are?

Palestinian boys tag along with a Hamas member
at a recent funeral procession in Bethlehem.
Photo taken 2001

Hamas demonstration -- Black Flags

Islamic Jihad funeral procession, with black flags.
AP Photo -- Feb 2001

An Islamic Jihad demonstration Friday in Gaza drew Palestinian youngsters, shown holding grenades and wearing mock explosives. The Palestinian Authority, meanwhile, issued an unprecedented call for restraint in the 10 months of Mideast Violence.
The Associated Press -- 10/26/2001

Lebanese protesters wave Hezbollah flags on Israel border.
Eyal Warshavsky / Associated Press -- 05/26/00
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Lebanese villagers wave red and black Hezbollah flags. Hundreds of civilians returned to their villages in Israeli-occupied southern Lebanon.
Mohammed Zatari / Associated Press -- 05/23/2000

Palestinian members of the Popular Front fot the Liberation of Palestine hang black flags and a picture of their leader Abu Ali Mustafa who was "assassinated" by Israel in Gazaon Monday.
--Reuters photo -- Tuesday, August 28, 2001

A black flag amidst red
at a Hamas demonstration.

Black Afghan Flag
1901-1919 Flag (Amir Habibullah)

Black Afghan Flag
1919-1928 Flag (Amir/King Amanullah)
The flag of Afghanistan changes often.
Twice in the 20th Century, Afghanistan (Khurasan) has had a black flag.

The flag of Taliban Afghanistan. Black Arabic script on white. Translations, anyone?

An undated photo of Osama bin Laden inside Afghanistan.
Behind him is a Black Taliban Flag with white script.
"If you see the black flags coming from Khurasan (Afghanistan),
join that army, even if you have to crawl over ice,
for that is the army of the Imam al-Mahdi
and no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem."


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There has been much speculation since the attacks of 9/11. Why did this happen? What does Osama bin Laden want? Does he really hope to defeat the United States, even if he does have caves full of Weapons of Mass Destruction?

How?

Perhaps by rallying the Islamic world to his cause? He has declared a Holy War, a jihad, against the United Sates and Israel, vowing to banish us from the Arabian Penninsula and Israel from the Holy Land and Jerusalem, or we will be destroyed. Certainly he has captured the violent imagination of much of the Moslem world. But is it enough to be a master terrorist, a Warlord of Jihad? Or is Osama bin Laden aiming for loftier goals?

The more I read of him, the more it becomes clear that bin Laden sees himself as a Divinely appointed Liberator of Islam. I believe that he might be attempting to assume the mantle of the neo-messianic Imam al-Mahdi, the long-prophesied, long-awaited Twefth Imam.

So I did a little looking around, to see if I could find any of these "Black Flags" of the al-Mahdi prophesy. They aren't common, but they're there. Do they prove that this is bin Laden's plan? No.

But we know two things… He has a plan, and we haven't got a clue as to what it might be.

Or maybe we do.

I've gathered some pictures of Islamic radicals, jihadin allied with bin Laden's cause. They have Black Flags, but the flags not all identical. Is there a pattern here? Is this coincidence? I don't know. I'm hoping someone familiar with Arabic will be able to help translate some of the writings captured in the pictures. I'm also hoping others will use this thread to post pics of the Black Flags of Islam as they appear.

The pictures I've gathered here were mostly taken recently. I've tried to give that information where I've been able to determine it. I've also linked most of the pics to their source sites, just click and go. Maybe someone else will find things there that I've missed. At the top of the table, I've also provided a couple of links to existing threads on the subject of bin Laden's master plan.

Comments?


1 posted on 10/28/2001 3:58:18 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: harpseal; Travis McGee; Victoria Delsoul; Spirit Of Truth; Manny Festo; The Documentary Lady...
Black Flag
2 posted on 10/28/2001 4:00:23 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: harpseal; Travis McGee; Victoria Delsoul; Spirit Of Truth; Manny Festo; The Documentary Lady...
Black Flag
3 posted on 10/28/2001 4:01:25 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
I'll bump for that.
4 posted on 10/28/2001 4:03:39 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Sabertooth
From what I've seen on the tv the Taliban flag is white. I thought it was kind of funny to see all their vehicles running around with white flags like they were surrendering. Am I wrong here?
5 posted on 10/28/2001 4:05:19 PM PST by Liberal Bob
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To: Sabertooth; amom; Yellow Rose of Texas; Alamo-Girl
"Comments?"

hey bin Laden, you sissy, how come you hide in a cave and let your troops do your fighting?
having fun in there with the goats and the sissy boy virgins?
6 posted on 10/28/2001 4:05:36 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: veronica; beowolf; Sabramerican; FITZ; Lent; angelo; boston_liberty; EaglesUpForever; Mr. Snrub...
Black Flag
7 posted on 10/28/2001 4:11:48 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Bumped and bookmarked! Thanx, tooth. Great post you've put together. Is Osama pig Laden the hidden twelfth Mahdi who disappeared hundreds of years ago, going down stairs to the basement of his dwelling? Tunnel rats, anyone?
8 posted on 10/28/2001 4:12:34 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Liberal Bob
From what I've seen on the tv the Taliban flag is white.... Am I wrong here?

No, you're not wrong. In fact posted the Taliban Flag just above the last pic of bin Laden.

At this time, the Taliban flags are white with an Arabic inscription in black. Don't know what that means yet.

That's why the black flags, if they appear, might be significant.

9 posted on 10/28/2001 4:15:33 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
From an apparently Islamic site:

"According to these reliable, authentic, and universally accepted narrations, Mahdi will:

1. Be from among the family of Prophet(SAW), among the descendants of Fatima(RA);
2. Have a broad forehead and pointed nose;
3. Appear in one night;
4. Appear just before the day of judgment;
5. Have same name as hazrat Muhammad(SAW);
6. Escape from Madina to Makkah where people will pledge allegiance to him;
7. Receive pledge and help of Iraqi people;
8. Fight in battles;
9. Rule over the Arabs for seven years according to Sunnah;
10. Spread justice and equity on earth;
11. Eradicate tyranny and oppression;
12. Lead a prayer in Mekkah which Jesus(pbuh) will follow in;
13. NOT be the same individual as the Promised Messiah (Jesus)."

10 posted on 10/28/2001 4:15:35 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: MHGinTN
Doesn't really matter if he's actually the Twelfth Imam (if there ever is one), it matters if he thinks he is, and if he can convince enough other Moslems of his "Divine Mission."

I'm looking for some kind of a move during Ramadan.

11 posted on 10/28/2001 4:18:08 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Kevin Curry
I don't know about the rest of the list, but OBL surely can't lay claim to #10 and 11 . . .
12 posted on 10/28/2001 4:19:12 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the reply. It's these little things I hope our "intelligence" people are keeping up with.
13 posted on 10/28/2001 4:21:34 PM PST by Liberal Bob
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To: Kevin Curry

Give em a taste of this!

14 posted on 10/28/2001 4:22:04 PM PST by tet68
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To: Sabertooth
Excellent post.

We may over emphasize the person of bin Laden in all of this. But there is no doubt that Al-Qaeda intends to be the Mahdi's army of destiny. No doubt about it many believe bin Laden is the Mahdi.

15 posted on 10/28/2001 4:23:56 PM PST by father_elijah
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To: Sabertooth
I'm looking for some kind of a move during Ramadan.

An intriguing thought. If bin Laden were to show up at the Ka'aba during Ramadan, would the Saudi government dare to try to arrest him? Everything I've read suggests the Saudi government is deathly afraid of bin Laden and the militant Muslims who follow him.

16 posted on 10/28/2001 4:24:44 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: 2sheep; Thinkin' Gal; veronica; dennisw; TrueBeliever9; Prodigal Daughter; Zadokite; Manny Festo...
BUMP
17 posted on 10/28/2001 4:25:44 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Sabertooth
Check out the following website for more information about the black flag and muslim prophecy: http://www.rexresearch.com/articles/muslim~1.htm Chilling...
18 posted on 10/28/2001 4:25:55 PM PST by VeganFreeper
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To: Sabertooth
The flags read: "There is no God but God and Mohammed is the messenger of God."
19 posted on 10/28/2001 4:26:48 PM PST by scocha
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We need to set up a 500 foot tall flagpole out in the desert south of Khandahar for all these loonies to gather around.
20 posted on 10/28/2001 4:27:01 PM PST by atafak
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To: Sabertooth
I have written a techno-thriller about the rise of the Imam al-Mahdi and how he consorts with Red China to put down America, resulting in a third world war.

Dragon's Fury - Breath of Fire

It is the first in a five part series that will examine the resulting war and the impact of this individual and the Red Chinese in the coming years. It's fiction, but a lot of research has gone into it.

Take a look and let me know what you think.

Regards.

21 posted on 10/28/2001 4:27:43 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Kevin Curry
If bin Laden were to show up at the Ka'aba during Ramadan, would the Saudi government dare to try to arrest him? Everything I've read suggests the Saudi government is deathly afraid of bin Laden and the militant Muslims who follow him.

On Diane Sawyer's 20/20 interview with bin Laden's sister-in-law the other night, the background story made mention that bin Laden's father had built much of the shrine around Mecca.

Anyone got any details on that?


22 posted on 10/28/2001 4:29:45 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Black Flag

Isn't that what we're going to use to clean the caves of vermin?
23 posted on 10/28/2001 4:30:17 PM PST by aruanan
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To: tet68
Great humor. (But if there is validity to sabertooth's suspicions, then your idea has the makings of a great propaganda campaign.)
24 posted on 10/28/2001 4:30:57 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Sabertooth
Bin Laden's father was a had a large construction company, got all the Royal's contracts. He also got the contract for Mecca.
25 posted on 10/28/2001 4:34:42 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: Sabertooth
We are talking about a cancer in the heart of the Muslim world and that is Israel. It must be eradicated and removed." On another occasion, Bakri told protesters at a violent demonstration outside the London Central Mosque in Regent Park, "All Israeli targets are legitimate for you. All Israelis must be destroyed."(31)

The most significant element of Bakri's doctrine is Jihad. A document entitled "Jihad: The foreign policy of the Islamic state" was posted on the Al-Muhajirun website. The document included a lengthy, in-depth analysis of the meaning of Jihad. "Jihad, as a term, cannot be translated as 'holy war,'" it said, "nor can it be translated as... 'struggle.' At best, its legal meaning can be understood as 'using military force, where diplomacy fails, to remove the obstacles the Islamic State faces in carrying its ideology to mankind

Jihad is... one of the main Pillars of Islam after Tawhid (the assertion of Monotheistic faith) and Da'wa (proselytizing). In fact, Jihad is… Da'wa by the Islamic state as its foreign policy."(35

In an interview with the French Le Monde, Bakri stated his "intention to make the flag of Islam fly high at No. 10 Downing Street and at the Elysee." The article continues, "Islam, according to him, is the supreme ideology facing an immoral West, and... all contemporary leaders of the Muslim world, with no exceptions, are pawns of the West."(38) With thanks to Allah, we bring peace to all, and we help the world realize that Islam is the only way of life... Terrorism according to the West is defined as 'the systematic use of violence to achieve political or religious ends... Al-Muhajirun defines terrorism as 'to attack without the divine right'

"...Our duty is to work to establish an Islamic state anywhere in the world, even in Britain... Life is protected under us. There will be no minorities and majorities as in America. antisemitism in the U.S. is disgraceful. Synagogues and churches will flourish in the Khilafa as long as they adopt Islamic law. We restored life for Jews after the Crusades, and we plan to do so again..."

Following the September 11, 2001 attacks on the U.S., Bakri told the BBC that "what happened was a direct consequence of the evil foreign policy of the USA. This is the compensation and payback for its own atrocities against Muslims."(40) The Al-Muhajirun website offered an in-depth look at the issue, under the headline, "USA at war with Islam":

The Fatwa appeared under the emblem of the "Shari'a Court of the UK," and, in the Arabic version, was signed by Sheikh Bakri, Shari'a Court Judge in London, and by the Secretary General of the Committee for the Protection of Legitimate Rights (in Saudi Arabia), Muhammad bin Abdallah Al-Musa'ari "Abu Majed." The two called on all Muslim clerics to study the matter and add their signatures to the ruling.

26 posted on 10/28/2001 4:35:05 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: atafak
We need to set up a 500 foot tall flagpole out in the desert south of Khandahar for all these loonies to gather around.

Good idea. LOL.

27 posted on 10/28/2001 4:35:53 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: scocha
The flags read: "There is no God but God and Mohammed is the messenger of God."

Thanks, but which flags? The Taliban's?

Were you able to read the poster of bin laden in the first pic?


28 posted on 10/28/2001 4:36:44 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Life is protected under us. There will be no minorities and majorities as in America. antisemitism in the U.S. is disgraceful. Synagogues and churches will flourish in the Khilafa as long as they adopt Islamic law.

Jeepers! How thoughtful of them.

Nice, nice moslems.


29 posted on 10/28/2001 4:41:00 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the ping.

There is no way the coward Osama can win against the USA. A terrorists is in no way a warrior. He is a bully and a coward and does not even fight , he just terrorizes and destroys and does this even to his own followers.

Our Troops are warriors and trained to fight.Osama's are dead men walking in each act of terrorism they do.What glory is there in that....none.

His only hope is to have other Arab countries join him in his cause like Saddam helping him out in the open and go against Isreal and America.

He started a dangerous game of chess and we will take out every rook, every Knight and checkmate him to his death.

30 posted on 10/28/2001 4:41:30 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Sabertooth
An Islamic Jihad demonstration Friday in Gaza drew Palestinian youngsters, shown holding grenades and wearing mock explosives.

This photo ought to cure anyone of the Ebony & Ivory concept of the human community. Everyone is not the same wherever you* go. There may be good and bad in everyone, but some people have defined their good as your complete and total elimination from the face of the earth. You're not failing to understand them if you think they want you dead. Their wanting you dead is not due to misunderstanding on their part of your objectives in life. There is no level of "understanding" that will make their objectives become good from your point of view unless you should agree to your own demise. The only thing to be done is to fully comprehend their intransigence and prepare for battle or simply acquiesce. Given what "Islam" means, "surrender", they're expecting that's just what you'll do. Let's falsify their concept of reality.

*This is the rhetorical, not personal, you.
31 posted on 10/28/2001 4:41:31 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Sabertooth
I don't see any black flags in the "Hamas demonstration" pic. I see lots of real dark shadows. Is it just me?

--Boris

32 posted on 10/28/2001 4:43:58 PM PST by boris
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To: Sabertooth
Hi Saber,

Good post although am getting sick of looking at these cretins. We all know what we need to do...but has America been so weakened by the left that we lack the guts to do it..? If we fail to respond accordingly these bullies will be back in the future and it will be nuclear next time.

Lady

33 posted on 10/28/2001 4:46:13 PM PST by Lady GOP
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To: Sabertooth
Great Post!!!
34 posted on 10/28/2001 4:48:30 PM PST by vrwc54
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To: boris
I don't see any black flags in the "Hamas demonstration" pic.

Up and to the left of the orange flag in the foreground, at about a 10 o'clock angle, is a cluster of four black flags. You can tell them from the shadows and black t-shirts because you can see the staffs they're hanging from.


35 posted on 10/28/2001 4:52:53 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Tell Bin to read Ezekiel 38 and 39 to find out what will happen to that Islamic army that marches on Jerusalem.
36 posted on 10/28/2001 5:02:02 PM PST by Woodkirk
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To: Sabertooth; vrwc54; Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep; Lent; Prodigal Daughter; TrueBeliever9
Time for a trip down memory lane...

Arab Revolt Flag

Origin of the Pan-Arab Colours

From the PASSIA home page:

Red
The Khawarij were the first Islamic group to emerge after the assassination of Caliph Uthman III, forming the first republican party in the early days of Islam. Their symbol was the red flag. Arab tribes who participated in the conquest of North Africa and Andalusia carried the red flag, which became the symbol of the Islamic rulers of Andalusia (756-1355).
In modern times, red symbolizes the Ashrafs [ie. Sharifians] of the Hijaz and the Hashemites, descendants of the Prophet.
Green: The Fatimid Dynasty (909-1171), North Africa
The Fatimid Dynasty was founded in Morocco by Abdullah Al-Mahdi, and went on rule all of North Africa. They took green as their color, to symbolize their allegiance to Ali, the Prophet's cousin, who was once wrapped in a green coverlet in place of the Prophet in order to thwart an assassination attempt.
White: The Umayyad Dynasty (661-750), Damascus
The Umayyads ruled for ninety years, taking white as their symbolic color as a reminder of the Prophet's first battle at Badr, and to distinguish themselves from the Abbasids, by using white, rather than black, as their color of mourning. Mu'awia Ibn Abi Sufian (661-750), founder of the Umayyad state, proclaimed himself Caliph of Jerusalem.
Black: The Prophet Mohammad (570-632)
In the seventh century, with the rise of Islam and subsequent liberation of Mecca, two flags - one white, one black - were carried. On the white flag was written, "There is no god but God (Allah) and Mohammad is the Prophet of God."
In pre-Islamic times, the black flag was a sign of revenge. It was the color of the headdress worn when leading troops into battle. Both black and white flags were placed in the mosque during Friday prayers.
The Abbasid Dynasty (750-1258), ruling from Baghdad, took black as a symbol of mourning for the assassination of relatives of the Prophet and in remembrance of the Battle of Karbala.

Quoted source: Evolution of the Arab Flag, by Mahdi Abdul Hadi, Amman, Feb. 1986.


Arab Revolt Flag

From the PASSIA home page:

"Sharif Hussein designed the flag of the Arab Revolt on June 1916. The Palestinian people raised it as the flag of the Arab National movement in 1917. In 1947, the Arab Ba'ath Party interpreted the flag as a symbol of the liberation and unity of the Arab nation. The Palestinian people readopted the flag at the Palestinian conference in Gaza in 1948. The flag was recognized by the Arab League as the flag of the Palestinian people. It was further endorsed by the PLO, the representative of the Palestinians, at the Palestinian conference in Jerusalem in 1964."

Quoted source: Evolution of the Arab Flag, by Mahdi Abdul Hadi, Amman, Feb. 1986.

After the fall of Hejaz the colors were used by Husain's sons 'Abdulla (emir of the Transjordan) and Faisal (king of Iraq). Later on they became known as the Pan-Arab colors.

Harald Müller, 13-MAR-1996

The flag of Sharif Hussein of Hejaz, was a conscious union of the old Islamic dynasties, plus the red of Sharifian clan. The red also came to symbolise revolt against the Turks. Husain's 3 sons became kings of Jordan, Syria, and Iraq, hence the minor differentiations in the Sharifian flag. Hussein's original intent was for his flag to be identical in those 3 countries with the addition of one star for Jordan-Palestine, two stars for Iraq, and three stars for Syria. The Jordanian one is the only that has survived, and the Palestinians use the same flag without the star as a tie to their original territorial integrity. (Palestine and Transjordan were split in 1923 to clarify that a Jewish homeland did not apply to the latter.) In 1961 Kuwait switched from its red Gulf flag to a Sharifian variant.

T.F. Mills, APR-1998

During World War I, Arabs in the Hejaz (the Red Sea coast of the Arabian peninsula) rose up against the Ottoman Sultan, with the help of the British, who were fighting the Ottomans at the time. The revolt was headed by the Hashemite dynasty of Mecca, and their banner was red, white, green, and red. Jordan is the last state left with a Hashemite ruling king, and thus its flag is closest to the original model. The colours are intended to correspond to the early Islamic dynasties of the first half of the middle ages; this is probably an "invented tradition," as the use of flags by such dynasties is anachronistic.

The Hashemite revolt was the Arab world's first embrace of European-style nationalism, but it was largely unsuccessful, mostly due to lack of Western support. The Arab-speaking areas of the old Ottoman empire were mostly divided up between France and England, though the British did install Hashemite princes as local rulers in the areas they controlled. Even in the Hejaz, the Hashemites were driven out by the Wahabi Saudi dynasty, which, then as now, was less concerned with Arab nationalism than in its doctrine of religious fundamentalism. Nevertheless the flag was remembered as associated with Arab nationalism, even if the Hashemite dynasty was not.

Joshua Fruhlinger, 11-JAN-1999

http://www.flags-by-swi.com/fotw/flags/arabcols.html

Compare:


Revelation 6:1-8

1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale* horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

* 5515 chloros {khlo-ros'}
from the same as 5514;; adj
AV - green 3, pale 1; 4

1) green
2) yellowish pale

37 posted on 10/28/2001 5:07:35 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Sabertooth
Found this on another web site.

It says the obvious, in Arabic:

"Ashhadu Alla Ilaha Illa Allah Wa Ashhadu Anna Muhammad Rasulu Allah."

Or in English: "I bear witness that there is no deity other than Allah and that Muhammad is his servant and Messenger."

Both the black and white Taliban flags say the same thing.

39 posted on 10/28/2001 5:11:19 PM PST by butter pecan fan
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To: Sabertooth
Black Flags. Moslem soldiers. The banner of the Abbasides (3 syl.) is black; that of the Fatimites (3 syl.) green; and that of the Ommiades (3 syl.) white. Hence the banner of the Kalif of Bagdad is black, but that of the Sultan of Damascus is green. (Gibbon, chap, iii.) 1 Black Flags. Pirates of the Chinese Sea who opposed the French in Tonquin, etc.
40 posted on 10/28/2001 5:14:31 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Sabertooth
The Liwaa of the Messenger was a piece of white cloth with the words "La Illaha Illa Allah Muhammadur Rasul Allah" written across it (i.e. There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger). The Raya of the Messenger was a piece of black wool with the words "La Illaha Illa Allah Muhammadur Rasul Allah" also written across it. Therefore, the Liwaa is a white flag with black inscription, and the Raya is a black flag with white inscription.
41 posted on 10/28/2001 5:21:21 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Sabertooth
MAJOR BUMP!!
42 posted on 10/28/2001 5:28:10 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Sabertooth
Perhaps by rallying the Islamic world to his cause? He has declared a Holy War, a jihad, against the United Sates and Israel, vowing to banish us from the Arabian Penninsula and Israel from the Holy Land and Jerusalem, or we will be destroyed.

Jews and Christians were cleansed from the Arabian peninsula by Mohammed's successors. Guys like Bin Laden and the millions of Islamic fundamentalists don't like Christians and Jews back on dar al-Islam in any respect. In 1961 Abd al-Rahman al-Bazzaz, a professor of law at the University of Baghdad and a former Prime Minister of Iraq, explained how pan Arabism was threatened by the Jews:

The great danger of Israel is due to its being an ideological threat to our nationalism which challenges our entire national existence in the entire region. The existence of Israel nullifies the unity of our homeland, the unity of our nation and the unity of our civilization, which embraces the whole of this one region. Moreover, the existence of Israel is a flagrant challenge to our philosophy of life and the ideals for which we live, and a total barrier against the values and aims to which we aspire in the world.

(This our Nationality,pp. 253-54). Pan Arab Fascism. Most of the Jews were completely emptied out of Arab Islamic lands the last century. The Eastern Christians were mostly cleaned out centuries ago. The current Jihad is to finish the job.

43 posted on 10/28/2001 5:29:52 PM PST by Lent
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To: Red the Barber
Rational people should not waste any time listening to the prophesies of a ranting lunatic who followed a murderous terrorist in the Eight Century.

Rational people understand the importance of perception in such things. The perception of bin Laden in the Middle East is not that of a run-of-the-mill terrorist. He has a broad following that is growing by the hour. His supporters are steeped in the Mahdi prophecies, and many of them are coming to perceive him to be the Mahdi. If he survives long enough, he could ignite a true "no kidding" Jihad of millions of sympathetic Muslims. What would be their aims? His aims, i.e, to drive the US from the Middle east and to destroy Israel.

Maybe he'll fizzle. But maybe he won't. Only a fool would ignore the possibility that he could inspire a broad-scale militant uprising of millions of Jihadists.

44 posted on 10/28/2001 5:30:34 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Thinkin' Gal
The other Revelation...

"The Revelation undertook to mention them and attached many judgements to them, for example zakat, marriage, and hudud, etc., therefore within the Revelation they have to have a reality and specific measure for assessment [of zakat, etc.] upon which its judgements may be based rather than on the non-shari'i [other coins].

Know that there is consensus [ijma] since the beginning of Islam and the age of the Companions and the Followers that the dirham of the shari'ah is that of which ten weigh seven mithqals [weight of the dinar] of gold. ... The weight of a mithqal of gold is seventy-two grains of barley, so that the dirham which is seven-tenths of it is fifty and two-fifths grains. All these measurements are firmly established by consensus."

Ibn Khaldun, Al-Muqaddimah

That's the World Islamic Trading Organization!

Anyone still confused?

45 posted on 10/28/2001 5:31:13 PM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Hmmm. That's interesting.
46 posted on 10/28/2001 5:41:24 PM PST by Lent
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To: Sabertooth
Both the white on black flag behind Osama and the black on white flag above Osama bear the message. It is the same message on the national flag of Saudi Arabia, which is white on green.
47 posted on 10/28/2001 5:44:08 PM PST by scocha
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To: Lady GOP; aruanan
"sick of looking at these cretins"

The kid in the "suicide bomber" suit needs to be front page news every day until our politicians catch up to the American puplic and understand what we're dealing with.


48 posted on 10/28/2001 5:44:20 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: RaceBannon
Thanks.

Bump your friends, it's a party. Formal though...

Black Flag only.


49 posted on 10/28/2001 5:47:36 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
I had a conversation about the mahdi theory with a friend with strong credentials in middle eastern affairs. The basic conclusion we reached was that it is highly possible Bin Laden thinks himself to be the mahdi, and if he does, he will probably announce it fairly soon...probably after a big event. At that time, we'll know for sure just how loony Osama truly is.

In other words, the whole mahdi thing will tell us if Bin Laden is simply an angry power hungry run of the mill terrorist thug who simply has the money and means to engage in "big" terrorist acts (as compared to the average terrorist car bomb in front of mcdonalds in jerusalem), or a true loony wacko, the likes of which have not been seen since Hitler.

50 posted on 10/28/2001 5:48:03 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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