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Who was in Israel first, the Jews or Palestinians

Posted on 12/05/2001 7:50:45 PM PST by 100American

Here are 20 conveniently overlooked facts that give some perspective to the current Middle East situation. These were compiled by a Christian university professor..... Takes just 1.5 minutes to read!!!

1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E, the Jews had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4.The only Arab domination since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 hundred times in Bible. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were not driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees absorbed by Israel from Arab countries is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples'lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank and autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied their police and security forces with weapons.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Jewish grave markers were used to build public urinals in occupied Jerusalem. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The U.N. record on Israel and the Arabs of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel -- notwithstanding the fact that the Arabs refused to participate in the 15 nation United Nations Commission of Palestine which recommended partition in 1948 and sought immediately to undo its work by force of arms.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967.

19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives between 1948 and 1967.

20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall between 1948 and 1967.


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I think it dishonest for the Palestinians to claim Israel as their homeland based upon this info. Please fellow freepers, tell me where this info is wrong. If not, then Israel has a right to defend herself using whatever means posible

1 posted on 12/05/2001 7:50:45 PM PST by 100American
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To: 100American
Which came first , the chicken or the egg?
2 posted on 12/05/2001 7:53:11 PM PST by KQQL
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To: 100American
I don't know what event you may be using to say when Israel became a nation, but that event surely was earlier than 1312 BCE.

Current scholarship among those who accept that there was a Moses and an Exodus, places the event in the mid-fifteenth century, and remember the Passover and the Lawgiving occurred only some 50 days apart in the same calendar year...

The correct date is thus 1461 to 1441 BCE, and my bet is toward the latter end of that, say 1444, that has a certain ring to it, all those 4's...

3 posted on 12/05/2001 7:55:01 PM PST by crystalk
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To: 100American; dennisw; veronica; monkeyshine
100American --- great post! Bookmarked

denw --- put you ping list to this thread!

veronica --- for your files!

monkeyshine --- see above to veronica! (stolen from you)

4 posted on 12/05/2001 7:55:54 PM PST by onyx
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To: 100American
THE SEVEN RULES OF NATIONALISM.

1. If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us -- you are merely occupiers.

2. If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us -- borders must not be changed.

3. If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us -- it is the Cradle of our Nation.

4. If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us -- they must enjoy the right of self-determination.

5. If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us -- they must be protected against your oppression.

6. All the above rules apply to us but not to you.

7. Our dream of greatness is Historical Necessity, yours is Fascism.

5 posted on 12/05/2001 7:57:06 PM PST by x
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To: crystalk
palestinians are people who where kicked out of Jordan and Saudi.

Israel should kick out all arabs out of west bank and gaza and secure it's border.................

6 posted on 12/05/2001 7:57:16 PM PST by KQQL
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To: KQQL
Which came first , the chicken or the egg?

So true. There are essentially no important difference between Palestinians and Jews. They are the same people. It's just that some are in different stages of hysteric denial.

7 posted on 12/05/2001 7:58:51 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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To: 100American
Bump
8 posted on 12/05/2001 7:59:21 PM PST by Exigence
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To: 100American; SJackson; anapikoros; white trash redneck; sheik yerbouty; Inyokern; Anamensis...
Bump.

You didn't give the source for this list. It's at

CONCORD MONITOR

9 posted on 12/05/2001 7:59:50 PM PST by Alouette
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To: Elihu Burritt
lol...........
10 posted on 12/05/2001 8:00:22 PM PST by KQQL
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To: 100American
21. Isaac was the son of promise not Ishmael. Therefore, the land promised by God to Abraham falls to the descendents of Isaac. His descendants will ulimately inherit all of the land promised, not just the small part that is the seat of centention today.
11 posted on 12/05/2001 8:00:46 PM PST by drstevej
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To: 100American
Most of the people now calling themselves Palestinian are Egyptian. That includes Yasser Arafat, and most of the others, esp if surname ends in -awi.

Jordan, Arabia, and Lebanon together are perhaps 25%, if one looks at where their ancestors lived in 1850.

Egypt would be about 60%. Perhaps 15% lived in what is now Israel in 1850.

PS Arafat is a pseudonym of course: it is the holy mountain outside Mecca where Satan appeared to Muhammad some 615 AD.

12 posted on 12/05/2001 8:02:30 PM PST by crystalk
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To: 100American
Arab conquest of Jerusalem and Israel took place 638 AD, not 635. One sometimes sees 640, because the Muslim armies withdrew for a time fearing approach of Byzantine navy and/or Iranian armies...
13 posted on 12/05/2001 8:03:55 PM PST by crystalk
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To: 100American
Goodness! That's a lot of information I did not know before. Israel never ceases to fill me with amazement. I hope in the future this country of ours becomes more and more of a brother nation to Israel.
14 posted on 12/05/2001 8:05:08 PM PST by so_real
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To: drstevej
According to Islam ( koran )Ismael is the the son of promise etc not Issac, that's where the problem between Jews and Muslims.

That's why there will be no peace in the middle east, till the the anti-christ shows up.......

15 posted on 12/05/2001 8:07:41 PM PST by KQQL
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To: KQQL
The Rooster Came first, then the Chicken layed the Egg
16 posted on 12/05/2001 8:08:00 PM PST by TAP ONLINE
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To: 100American
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17 posted on 12/05/2001 8:08:19 PM PST by ZOOKER
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To: 100American
Your item 7. David did not FOUND Jerusalem: it was a minor city-state of varying significance for well over a thousand years before David conquered it in 996 BC. Some say a few years earlier than that.

Your item 11. You say 630,000 "Palestinians" fled in 1948 from Israel, and seemingly you are saying never returned. First of all, the term Palestinian was never then used for Arabs, who were just called Arabs. It meant the Jews living there if it meant anyone. Secondly, the 630M is the estimate of the total number of Arabs then living in 1948 in what became Israel, not the number who fled, much less the number who stayed away and never came back. The true number is more like 200 to 300 thousand, tops...

18 posted on 12/05/2001 8:09:13 PM PST by crystalk
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To: 100American
The Jews were oritinally from what is now known as Iraq. The immigrated and stomped the hell out of the people then living in what was eventually known as Palistine. Palistine is the modern pronunciation of Philistine, whose murder and displacement by the Jews we celebrate as the intent of God. A few people at the time and since doubt and dispute that that was God's word and intent. That doubt and dispute has been the ultimate reason for wars over that land since then.

The Jews immigrated, conquered, and stole that land fair and square. If they are strong enough, they can keep it. If other people are strong enough to take it back, the Israelis will lose it.

19 posted on 12/05/2001 8:10:36 PM PST by RLK
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To: Elihu Burritt
Bull. There is very substantial ethnic, to say nothing of religious, difference between the so called Pallies, who really are Egyptian Arabs, and the Jews.
20 posted on 12/05/2001 8:10:51 PM PST by crystalk
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To: 100American
BTTT
22 posted on 12/05/2001 8:14:10 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: 100American
I take offense at B.C.E. It is anti-Christian. The "common era" the Birth of Christ. Therefor it is still BC or AD you liberal leftist chump
23 posted on 12/05/2001 8:14:19 PM PST by Henchman
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To: 100American
http://www.seattleartmuseum.org/Exhibitions/Egypt/Emania/epedia/terms/SeaPeople.htm
24 posted on 12/05/2001 8:16:12 PM PST by blam
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To: RLK
Originally from Iraq just maybe, or more likely from points just north and northwest of Iraq, now in Turkey or Syria by a few miles to a couple hundred miles...

But this ignores the fact that they invaded and conquered the present land of Israel from the south and southeast, after their sojourn in Egypt. The many words and similarities between ancient Egyptian (Coptic), not a Semitic tongue at all-- and Hebrew, loan words such as Emet, the word for "truth"-- show the Egyptian cultural and linguistic connection very strongly despite the NW Mesopotamian bio-ethnic (male DNA) origin of their physical bodies...

25 posted on 12/05/2001 8:18:08 PM PST by crystalk
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To: 100American
Wasn't it the Jews that sent Jesus Christ to his death?
26 posted on 12/05/2001 8:18:54 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Henchman
excuuuuuse me My family came here in 1648 to escape religious persecution, there is no one more devout on the BOARD in their belief in God. My family has always been conservative and Republican, my mother almost slapped me once when I accused her of being a Democrat. My father voted for Barry Goldwater over Kennedy I am generally somewhere to the right of most repubs these days, probably even you. Now, I ask you to apologize
27 posted on 12/05/2001 8:20:30 PM PST by 100American
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To: Buckeroo
Yes, and it was the English that sent Thomas More to his death.

Except for occupying Roman soldiers, and tourists, who but Jews lived there to do anything? Jesus himself was a Jew and so were all of the apostles. Both the perpetrators and the victims, if you will.

28 posted on 12/05/2001 8:23:28 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
"Current scholarship among those who accept that there was a Moses and an Exodus, places the event in the mid-fifteenth century.

I think the Exodus occured just after or during the massive 1628BC explosion of the Thera/Akatori/Santorini volcano. This was a catastropic event that was recorded in tree rings world wide.

29 posted on 12/05/2001 8:23:29 PM PST by blam
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To: KQQL
"Which came first , the chicken or the egg?"

Did you read the article?

30 posted on 12/05/2001 8:27:49 PM PST by Z-28
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To: blam
Not possible unless you reject all of Egyptology as we now know it. We have to get the right series of Pharaohs (dynasty), then the right king, and co-ordinate with a number of chronologies. We also have to co-ordinate with the dates of known events in Canaan, etc.

The 1451-to-1441 is a very fine time line, and very likely it was l444 (I would say a 25% chance that is the exact year), or 1443 (I might say a 33% chance of that being the exact year.)

31 posted on 12/05/2001 8:27:56 PM PST by crystalk
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To: KQQL
That's why there will be no peace in the middle east, till the the anti-christ shows up.......

And there you have it. And that will of course be a false peace that will erupt into the REAL "mother of all battles." Outcome already decided. The future has been written quite clearly.

MM

32 posted on 12/05/2001 8:28:36 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: Buckeroo
Wasn't it the Jews that sent Jesus Christ to his death?

It was every sinner that sent Jesus Christ to His death, which includes every person, which includes the Jews, and you, and me.

33 posted on 12/05/2001 8:29:19 PM PST by Silly
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To: RLK
Palistine is the modern pronunciation of Philistine, whose murder and displacement by the Jews we celebrate as the intent of God.

The Philistines (Pelashim in Hebrew) were invaders from Greece. Their territory roughly approximated the present day Gaza Strip.

The primary inhabitants of the land prior to the Hebrews were not the Philistines but the Canaanites (Phoenicians).

34 posted on 12/05/2001 8:30:46 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Silly
It was every sinner that sent Jesus Christ to His death, which includes every person, which includes the Jews, and you, and me.

Well stated!
36 posted on 12/05/2001 8:32:51 PM PST by so_real
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To: Silly
That was a refreshing post by you, just above. Thank you.
37 posted on 12/05/2001 8:33:31 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: crystalk
Who do you think was the Pharaoh that persecuted the Jews? Rameses 2 or Thutmose 3 ?
40 posted on 12/05/2001 8:48:17 PM PST by blam
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To: RLK
There is actually some recently scholarship that suggests the word Palestine actuals derives from a Greek translation of Israel. The first recorded usage of Palestine (Palaistine) came from the Greeks and is very similiar in etymology to the word palaistes (which means "to wrestle" or "adversary") In the Greek Sepuagint this word "palaistes" is used to describe the struggle between Jacob and the angel. As we know, Jacob's named was changed to Yisra'el (Israel) which means literally "to struggle with God".

We also know that the Philistines settled regions along the coast of the Mediterranean sometime around the 13th century B.C. (don't want to use B.C.E. and be accused of being a liberal!) This would put the Philistines in the area of Palestine several hundred years AFTER Abraham and Lot settled the area of what is now the West Bank (including Jerusalem).

42 posted on 12/05/2001 8:53:28 PM PST by BoomerBob
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To: KQQL
That is why the Torah is copied so meticulously to prove that it is acurate.
43 posted on 12/05/2001 8:53:51 PM PST by Nachum
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To: crystalk
There is no archaeological proof that David ever exsisted. In fact Jewish archaeologists believe he was invented to prop a family tree for some later loser king.
44 posted on 12/05/2001 8:54:08 PM PST by alphadog
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To: Buckeroo
Our sins are what sent Jesus to his death.
46 posted on 12/05/2001 8:56:11 PM PST by BoomerBob
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To: alphadog
Actually there is extrabiblical evidence of the existence of David and quite a bit for Solomon, David's son. I'll show you my evidence if you show me yours.
47 posted on 12/05/2001 8:58:02 PM PST by BoomerBob
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To: Elihu Burritt
***THE DUMBEST MOST REALITY DENYING POST OF THE DAY***

You da Man.

48 posted on 12/05/2001 9:00:58 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: alphadog
That is not strictly true. A Moabite boundary stone refers to the regime ruling in Jerusalem c 890 BC, as the "House of David," meaning the Descendants of David, and "David" was a somewhat common given-name in use in the whole E Med area after 2500 BC right up to today...
49 posted on 12/05/2001 9:09:27 PM PST by crystalk
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Genetics prove that Jews and Palestinians are descended from common ancestors. There is very little difference between them. They should share the land in peace.
50 posted on 12/05/2001 9:09:36 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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