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'Robin Hood's Escape Tunnel Found'
Ananova ^ | 8-16-2002

Posted on 08/16/2002 3:34:58 PM PDT by blam

'Robin Hood's escape tunnel found'

Experts believe they've found a tunnel that allowed Robin Hood to escape from the Sheriff of Nottingham.

The secret passageway found under the Galleries of Justice museum in Nottingham is eight feet below street level.

Archaeologists excavating 14th-century manmade caves beneath the museum stumbled upon it accidentally when they broke through a rotten wood floor.

The museum's curator Louise Connell says the tunnel leads towards St Mary's Church, where ancient documents say Robin sought sanctuary from the Sheriff 's men.

The Evening Post says it's believed he used the tunnel to escape from the church, which they'd surrounded.

Experts from the University of Nottingham will now try to date the four feet wide and five feet high passage by clearing rubble blocking it. It's thought to date to the 12th century.

Archaeologist Gavin Kingsley said: "This is an amazing find and goes some way to substantiating the theory that Robin Hood was trapped within St Mary's Church and used the cave system to escape."

Story filed: 20:21 Friday 16th August 2002


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: caves; england; escape; forstofnottingham; found; godsgravesglyphs; hood; kingjohn; middleages; nottingham; nottinghamgaol; richardthelionheart; robin; robingoodfellow; robinhood; sheriffofnottingham; thegreenman; tunnel; unitedkingdom; wales; yorkshire
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To: blam
Great find, Blam!

I fond this by chasing the links...

IS THIS HOW OUR ROBIN ESCAPED?

BY MHAIRI MCFARLANE

12:00 - 16 August 2002

Archaeologists believe a tunnel discovered under a Nottingham tourist attraction could be Robin Hood's fabled escape route.

Staff at the Galleries of Justice in High Pavement were amazed when they stumbled on the secret passageway eight feet below street level.

Now they hope to make the tunnel a tourist attraction in its own right.

The exciting discovery was revealed this week when archaeologists excavating 14th-century manmade caves beneath the museum accidentally broke through a rotten wood floor.

A secret tunnel beneath Nottingham's streets is thought to be an escape route used by the famous outlaw.

Ancient documents tell of how Robin was surrounded by the Sheriff 's men and sought sanctuary in St Mary's Church in the Lace Market.

After frantically searching for a way out, his prayers were answered and he gave them all the slip....using a hidden underground passageway.

But evidence to support the myth has never emerged - until now.

The passageway, thought to date to the 12th century, is about four feet wide and five feet high and leads towards the church.

It is thought to have led Robin, following the twists and turns in the pitch dark, out to safety by the River Leen.

Galleries of Justice Curator Louise Connell said: "When we pulled the flooring up we found this hole. It was very exciting and a real Scooby Doo moment!

"When we went down there with a torch, we could see that the tunnel is in a dog-leg shape, pointing back towards the church."

Local archaeologist Gavin Kingsley said: "This is an amazing find and goes some way to substantiating the theory that Robin Hood was trapped within St Mary's Church and used the cave system to escape."

Another group of archaeologists working at the site in the mid-1990s were aware of the passageway, putting the flooring down and noting it in a survey of the area.

But they failed to realise its significance or notify museum staff.

Experts from the University of Nottingham will now try to date the tunnel by clearing rubble blocking it.

At the time of Robin's flight to freedom, the Galleries were used as a storage vault by people living in the wealthy townhouses lining High Pavement.

Further investigations may be carried out to see if the entrance at St Mary's can be found.

Canon Eddie Neale said: "I am delighted that we have finally discovered physical evidence of the escape tunnel we knew had existed in the times of Robin Hood.

"Visitors to the Galleries will no doubt find it fascinating."

Members of the World Wide Robin Hood Society will get to see the passageway as their chairman, Bob White, wants to install a webcam link-up.

He said: "This fascinating discovery will undoubtedly intrigue our many members worldwide who are always delighted to hear of new support for the legend."
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21 posted on 08/16/2002 8:00:58 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: blam; Victoria Delsoul; callisto; Ernest_at_the_Beach; LostTribe; RightWhale; Rutabega; ...
((((((growl)))))



22 posted on 08/16/2002 8:01:56 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Miss Marple
This one just for you.


23 posted on 08/16/2002 8:05:00 PM PDT by tet68
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To: blam; dixie sass; Memother; chesty_puller; mhking; Japedo; madfly; Snow Bunny; FallGuy; ...
Very very cool !
24 posted on 08/16/2002 8:05:11 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: COBOL2Java
Don't forget Ol' Blue Eyes from Robin and the Seven Hoods.

Nobody beats The Chairman.

25 posted on 08/16/2002 8:11:55 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: chudogg
Robin Hood was a Liberal who stole from the rich and redistributed it to the poor. We don't know what was in it for him. We do know there is no free lunch.
26 posted on 08/16/2002 8:16:56 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
According to Gary Larson, at first Robin Hood was a bit confused about his mission--he stole from the rich and gave to the porcupines.
27 posted on 08/16/2002 8:23:37 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Shooter 2.5
FORENSICS SCIENTIST?

She is a hack writer who pumps out lame mystery novels, and she didn't find DNA, she discovered a letter written by Sickert that was written on the same type of paper,

Silkert was a sick bastard, but there isn't any real evidence other than being a dickless (seriously) mysoginist,

Experts on the topic have dismissed her work in it's entirety, and really she didn't discover Sicker as a suspect, he was discussed as a suspect after a weird painting he did in 1910 that depicted a brutal murder in Camden,

This is a rebuttle written by an expert on the topic, and posted in a JtR newsgroup,

It just reaffirms how people brush over the facts to make the story fit their theory!

I have a feeling that if you were to speak with Ms. Cornwell, she would brush over that little tidbit and say something about how no one knows for sure that Joseph was Walter's son, or something to that affect. Anyway, Joseph already admitted that the story he told Knight was made up.

And, in regards to the fine writing paper, lots of people would have had access to it. Even if you say that 1% of the London population had access to that paper, it would still be too many people to solely implicate Sickert.

Wolf wrote an excellent article for Ripper Notes (and it is posted here in the Dissertations) entitled "The Art of Murder"... if you haven't read it yet, then please do! As always, Wolf says it much better than I could ever try.

It's funny... one of my friends that knows of my interest in Jack the Ripper made a comment to me the other day; she said that at this point, whoever Jack was, it must be someone famous because that is all the information we have now. And in a way, she's right. We lost so much information in the blitz, and celebrities are researched and documented much more than nobodys. Which is why we have Royal Conspiracies, and accusations against famous writers and painters, and other persons of note (famous or infamous). I almost feel sorry for them!

I think that if Cornwell had done a little more research before ripping up a bunch of paintings (and boy, is the art society going ape over that!) and spending that much money on testing, she would have realized that she still would not have concrete proof that Sickert was the Ripper. For instance

1. How many people handled the paintings? Earlier fingerprints could be obscured by new ones.
2. What is the likelihood of finding DNA on anything that is so old and has been handled so much? I know they have pulled DNA from mummies, but this is different. They pulled body tissue from the inside or drilled for pulp in the teeth, and the mummies were, for the most part, undisturbed or sparingly handled.
3. Sickert changed the names of his paintings frequently. "The Camden Town Murder" painting was originally called "What Shall We Do For Rent?" or something like that, and it had an even earlier title as well. It is not clear that the woman is dead, and she doesn't look like Kelly in the picture. Her arms are not posed the same, for one thing. I know that there are others that Cornwell claims look like the murder victims, but I just don't see it.
Anyway, enough of this chattering! Have a great day!

Warm regards,
Divia deBrevier

28 posted on 08/16/2002 8:34:08 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: tet68
Caption:

"Oh Robin.......Robin........ye of such stout heart!!!"

"That isn't my heart, Maid Marion......."

29 posted on 08/16/2002 8:43:57 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: chudogg
Or was he a Conservative who gave the tax money back to the commonfolk which was rightfully theirs?

ROFL...name a Conservative who would do this.

Robin was a moral man. Something Conservatives pay lip service to but never obtain.

But your answer was correct.
He stole money from THE GOVERNMENT who stole it from the people.

30 posted on 08/16/2002 8:48:24 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: ContentiousObjector
My apologies for calling her a Forensics scientist. The interview continued to talk about her work in Virginia with the morgue and she did talk about her work in forensic science.

Patricia Cornwell was born June 9th 1956 in Miami, Florida to Marilyn ("Pat") and Sam Daniels. Her father was an appellate attorney, her mother a secretary. The parents divorced and Marilyn and the three children (Patricia and two brothers) moved to Montreat, North Carolina, when she was seven. Ruth and Billy Graham lived two miles down the road and it was Ruth Graham who once gave her a leather-bound journal and told her to write. She transferred from King College, Tennessee to Davidson College in Davidson, North Carolina. After graduating she married her former English professor (Charles Cornwell who is seventeen years her senior) and newly married she started as a reporter for the Charlotte Observer in 1979. Soon she became a police reporter and in 1984 she took a job in the Virginia medical examiner's office. For six years she worked at the morgue, first as a technical writer, then as a computer analyst. She also volunteered to be a city cop and got her first taste of community policing. In 1988 she decided she didn't want to be a preacher's wife and she and her husband divorced in 1989.

I thought that was her title. The rest of the article is devoted to her hack writing. I'm still going to take a good look at that book on Jack the Ripper. She supposedly did find DNA in one of the paintings that matched the DNA on one of the letters. She even said that it could have been Sickert writing a crank letter and posing as Jack.

31 posted on 08/16/2002 8:53:39 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: LostTribe
Robin Hood was a Liberal who stole from the rich and redistributed it to the poor. We don't know what was in it for him. We do know there is no free lunch.

No, you are wrong. If you remember the original story, Robin was knocking over the Sheriff's shipments of tax revenue. He was stealing taxes from the government and giving it back to the people who earned it.

The local government had levied confiscatory taxes on the people and Robin was leading a tax revolt.

32 posted on 08/16/2002 8:54:14 PM PDT by Friedrich Hayek
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks. A good addition.
33 posted on 08/16/2002 9:04:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: Friedrich Hayek
Guess it's time to go back and read the original story. Have seen too many "Hollywierd" versions and am thinking about them.
34 posted on 08/16/2002 9:07:33 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: Shooter 2.5
www.casebook.org

Anything you could ever want to know about Jack, and alot of stuff you don't

35 posted on 08/16/2002 9:09:24 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: the_doc
(In all seriousness, I never knew for sure whether Mr.Hood was a real flesh-and-blood dude anyway.)

Nor did I, and yet I lacked the courage to type that until I read your post. ;-) It was a part of my education that was unattended to and Mr. Hood came across to me from the murky young childhood years as being the stuff of myths only.

Hmmm ... wonder if that's where we get the term, "hoodlums"?

36 posted on 08/16/2002 9:10:21 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: Sabertooth
I'd say the same…. fascinating..
37 posted on 08/16/2002 9:55:10 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: tet68
Thanks, tet! No one ever has swashed a buckle like good old Errol Flynn, dubious though his private character was. My sister's favorite movie is still "Dodge City" which we first saw as kids on the afternoon movie show on our local TV station.

But I always preferred "The Adventures of Robin Hood."

38 posted on 08/17/2002 3:33:03 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Sabertooth
The World Wide Robin Hood Society, as mentioned in your post...
39 posted on 08/17/2002 6:09:27 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: GretchenEE
"Hmmm ... wonder if that's where we get the term, "hoodlums"?"

Don't know but I sure like the idea.

40 posted on 08/17/2002 6:48:57 AM PDT by blam
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