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Flashtraffic: Gore asked CIA to keep information from Congress
World Magazine ^ | January 11, 2003 | Joel C. Rosenberg

Posted on 01/08/2003 10:06:28 AM PST by Timesink

THE BUZZ

Flashtraffic: Gore asked CIA to keep information from Congress

Gregory Vistica's new book sheds new light on Al Gore's activity in the White House.

By Joel C. Rosenberg

During the heat of the 1996 presidential campaign, Vice President Al Gore asked the Central Intelligence Agency to provide his daughter a false passport, a false driver's license, training in classified covert operations, and special security protection in Europe—and then keep it from Congress. The startling story—reported in a forthcoming book by Gregory L. Vistica, a 60 Minutes II producer and former Newsweek correspondent—comes out on the heels of Mr. Gore's surprising announcement that he would not run for president in 2004.

Mr. Vistica writes in The Education of Lieutenant Kerrey (Thomas Dunne Books, January 2003) that Bob Kerrey—then vice-chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee—learned that the then - vice president had instructed CIA director John Deutch not to notify Congress that the agency was covertly helping to protect Mr. Gore's daughter while she lived in Spain and worked as a reporter for a Madrid newspaper. Federal law requires the agency to provide congressional notification on all covert operations, but at Mr. Gore's insistence refused for months to tell key ranking members of the House and Senate intelligence committees.

"Jeff Smith, then the CIA's general counsel, advised Deutch that the agency had the legal authority to carry out the assignment," writes Mr. Vistica, "but said it was 'exceedingly ill-advised.' Despite Deutch's approval of the operation, the CIA's top management recommended against helping the Gores. If something went wrong, if the girls were hurt or abducted, the agency would take the blame for doing too little or not doing enough. But Gore balked at the recommendation."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: algore; cia; clintonalumni; clintonhaters; clintonscandals; conspiracy; gore; nepotism
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Gee, I can think of all SORTS of things that false passport would have been good for when it comes to furthering the illegal activities of the Clinton-Gore Administration ... can't you?
1 posted on 01/08/2003 10:06:28 AM PST by Timesink
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To: *Clinton Alumni; *Clinton Haters; *clintonscandals; *Conspiracy
bump for bump lists
2 posted on 01/08/2003 10:11:57 AM PST by Timesink (FINISH THE DAMN GAME!!!)
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To: Timesink; Howlin; Liz; Fracas; kcvl; Dog
Indeed I can think of TONS of things. I wonder what name was on that false passport, and where that name shows up...Switzerland, various Midle East countries, Venezuela.....
3 posted on 01/08/2003 10:15:32 AM PST by Miss Marple (Confusion to the enemy...and we know who they are!)
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To: Timesink
Would this be Korena Gore Schiff?

Schiff of the Bolshevik Russian Revolution Fame.

4 posted on 01/08/2003 10:16:29 AM PST by STD
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To: Timesink
"If I get her fake
ID's for Europe, maybe
she'll let go of me..."
5 posted on 01/08/2003 10:17:22 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: STD
The startling story—reported in a forthcoming book by Gregory L. Vistica, a 60 Minutes II producer and former Newsweek correspondent—comes out on the heels of Mr. Gore's surprising announcement that he would not run for president in 2004.

Does it not strike people odd that this story came out ONLY when the press was sure Algore would not run again? Did "60 Minutes" hold back on information they had years ago?

6 posted on 01/08/2003 10:23:07 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator
Yes.
7 posted on 01/08/2003 10:24:35 AM PST by Darksheare (Watch the horses, they'll know when danger's around)
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To: Timesink
"If something went wrong, if the girls were hurt or abducted, the agency would take the blame for doing too little or not doing enough."

Doing too little or not doing enough??? What kind of writing is this?

8 posted on 01/08/2003 10:25:32 AM PST by Mark
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To: Timesink
Interesting
9 posted on 01/08/2003 10:27:18 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: Timesink
Not sure he could claim "no controlling passport authority" on this one...
10 posted on 01/08/2003 10:27:19 AM PST by CanisMajor2002 (gun control = two hands on the gun)
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To: Timesink
Velly intelesting, but shtupid!
11 posted on 01/08/2003 10:31:47 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: Mark
Doing too little or not doing enough??? What kind of writing is this?

Not too informative and not informative enough.

12 posted on 01/08/2003 10:32:06 AM PST by dead
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To: Timesink
I can think of a few things. However, if it was indeed to just protect his daughter, I can't argue with it at all. I don't have kids myself, but I know if I did, I would use all the power in the world to keep them safe. And let's face it, should would be and still probably is a good target for the nuts out there.
13 posted on 01/08/2003 10:50:40 AM PST by zx2dragon
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To: Timesink
Yeah, Clinton's Code of Ethics really benefited Al "Whore for his Party" Gore.
14 posted on 01/08/2003 10:51:18 AM PST by WellsFargo94
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To: GummyIII
Would you have thunk this?
15 posted on 01/08/2003 10:52:44 AM PST by Freedom2specul8 (''To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.'' T.R.)
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To: Timesink
This story has the potential to be explosive,if true ( which I don't doubt-I bet we'll never know a fraction of the illegal activities that occurred during the clinton/Gore administration!) The media is still too busy trying to hunt down stories about a then 20 yr old, buying a margarita,than to bother with requests for falsified papers for family members of a sitting vice president.
16 posted on 01/08/2003 10:56:39 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue (Papers,we don't need no stinking papers!)
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To: Mark
My question is...what was this girl going to Europe without a Secret Service team anyway? If she absolutely had to go...then the team should have been dispatched. Obviously, she must have had a huge necessity to make this trip. One looks back at the Clintons and their helpers...who knew the Swiss banking laws...could Gore's daughter have been in the beginning stages of Swiss bank accounts and required a trip to faciilitate that account? It would be interesting to have her explain what her stops were...any in Lux or Switzerland?
17 posted on 01/08/2003 11:04:04 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Miss Marple; Howlin; Grampa Dave
This is even more interesting when you remember that at least five Clinton administration people had their security clearances lifted in the year 2000 alone including CIA's Deutch who "lost" a CIA computer loaded with data (who is the one according to this article that apparently approved breaking the law in the covert Gore operation).
18 posted on 01/08/2003 11:29:25 AM PST by Liz
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To: zx2dragon
Well said zx2. This story actually makes me think better of Gore. He may have blundered, but his motive seems decent enough.
19 posted on 01/08/2003 11:37:56 AM PST by ArcLight
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To: Timesink; Liz
As much as I detest the Goron and take every opportunity to take a well deserved whack at this whacko, I can't fault him for doing this.

I would suggest that we just let this be one of the many of his foibles and let it pass.

If I had a college age son or daughter who could have been a target of kidnapping or terrorism, I would have done whatever to protect her or him while they were overseas. I think that most parents feel that way, and this is one of those areas we lose when we pursue it.

Just note it and list and move on. The Goron is rapidly becoming a fading dot in the history of life.
20 posted on 01/08/2003 11:40:43 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Bush/Cheney 2004 with 60 Republican Senators in 2005!)
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To: zx2dragon; aristeides; thinden; Uncle Bill; metalbird1; rubbertramp; Nita Nuprez
However, if it was indeed to just protect his daughter, I can't argue with it at all.

I agree, if that was the only reason.

21 posted on 01/08/2003 11:50:53 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: KC_Conspirator
Did "60 Minutes" hold back on information they had years ago?

Maybe this has something to do with Gore's decision not to run again?

22 posted on 01/08/2003 11:58:16 AM PST by aristeides
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To: zx2dragon
How would training in covert operations serve to protect the daughter?
23 posted on 01/08/2003 11:59:46 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Fred Mertz
#23.
24 posted on 01/08/2003 12:01:51 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
...the Central Intelligence Agency to provide his daughter a false passport, a false driver's license, training in classified covert operations, and special security protection in Europe—and then keep it from Congress.

I see your point, but if they are classified and covert then isn't that redundant? What would the training involve?

25 posted on 01/08/2003 12:06:34 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: aristeides
How would training in covert operations serve to protect the daughter?

I have no "inside" information, but I know an individual who is an Engineer with the NSA. He is not a spook. Nevertheless, he was considered a possible kidnapping target due to the sensitive nature of his work. Basically, he had to learn some simple fieldcraft, like learning to spot a "tail".

26 posted on 01/08/2003 12:09:03 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: Grampa Dave; Miss Marple
Let's not give him a pass just yet til we know for sure what she was doing with a fake passport. I mean she's not that recognizable. Very few people here in America would know who she was even if they tripped over her.
27 posted on 01/08/2003 12:23:02 PM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
I keep re-reading this article, and it STILL doesn't make sense. Or do I need another cup of coffee?

Did Gore's daughter use a fake name to get the job in Spain? If she used her real name, then people at the paper knew who she was. In that case, the word would spread, and a fake passport and driver's license would hardly help keep her identity secret.

MOre importantly, if she used a fake name to get the job, that would put the U.S. in an exceedingly bad light and cause all sorts of repercussions with the European community.

Maybe if I shake my head a few thousand times some facts might fall into place.
28 posted on 01/08/2003 12:33:44 PM PST by kitkat
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To: pepsionice
...or China.
29 posted on 01/08/2003 12:42:09 PM PST by onedoug
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To: kitkat
"...Did Gore's daughter use a fake name to get the job in Spain? If she used her real name, then people at the paper knew who she was. In that case, the word would spread, and a fake passport and driver's license would hardly help keep her identity secret..."

You get the big-brain award, kat!

The fake passport story doesn't wash. Her travelling itinerary is what counts............FRegards

30 posted on 01/08/2003 1:07:41 PM PST by gonzo (" You can't fight in Here!...This is the War Room!")
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To: Mark
Doing too little or not doing enough??? What kind of writing is this?

Journalism?

31 posted on 01/08/2003 1:11:03 PM PST by js1138
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To: Tallguy
Spotting tails or surveillance is not the same as covert operations. It is often necessary to avoid compromising the covert mission but is not the same thing.
32 posted on 01/08/2003 1:13:58 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Spotting tails or surveillance is not the same as covert operations.

I never said that it was. Given that journalists frequently get the story wrong, blowing things out of proportion, I'm guessing that this is the kind of training (spotting tails, evasive driving, etc.) that the Gore's might have been seeking. As dimwitted as I think that Algore is, I don't think that he was seeking "spy training" for his daughter.

33 posted on 01/08/2003 1:39:57 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: kitkat; Miss Marple; Grampa Dave
There's more to this than meets the eye. We have yet to fill in the blanks.

I can't believe anybody over there would even know who this chick is. There are US citizens who still don't know Al Gore was VP. And his daughter is so "famous" in an obscure foreign place that she's a target? Not many US citizens could even describe her.

The whole thing defies reason.

34 posted on 01/08/2003 3:00:36 PM PST by Liz
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To: Fred Mertz
Amazing.
35 posted on 01/08/2003 3:00:51 PM PST by Nita Nuprez (Humpty Dumpty was pushed.)
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To: Timesink

36 posted on 01/08/2003 3:06:14 PM PST by jws3sticks
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To: Liz
You have a freep mail from me on this.
37 posted on 01/08/2003 3:12:56 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Bush/Cheney 2004 with 60 Republican Senators in 2005!)
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To: zx2dragon
if it was indeed to just protect his daughter, I can't argue with it at all.

Oh, please!

We have laws, and ways to change the laws. Gore and his ilk are above the laws, even the ones written specifically for them. For them there truly is no controlling legal authority. And there wasn't for the Ceaucescus either.

ML/NJ

38 posted on 01/08/2003 3:18:51 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Timesink
This is actually a good idea. Bush should've tried it. "Alright, girls, you can have fake IDs, but only if you graduate from the Farm!"

"But Daaaaaad!"

"No buts! If you insist on drinking underage, you'll learn to do it covertly!"

39 posted on 01/08/2003 4:05:39 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Timesink
I can't believe some of the comments I'm seeing on this thread! They go something like this; "If it was done to protect his daughter, that's alright."

Utter bullsh*t! This is a clear abuse of authority. If she needed protection, where was the legitimate Secret Service detail? Additionally, if she needed training for her personal safety, Gore is a wealthy man. There is no end of very professional private concerns that could train her for a fee.

People, get a grip on reality. Once again Gore was diverting vital U.S. assets for his personal use.
40 posted on 01/08/2003 4:06:28 PM PST by DakotaGator
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To: KC_Conspirator
Some things everyone needs to remember:

1)Gore has three daughters, two of whom I believe were too old to deserve SS protection for at least the latter part of Gore's Veep term, if not the entire term.

2) It does appear that it's Karenna, the oldest and most arrogant, juding from a cursory Google search that shows she spent some time in Spain while Daddy was Veep.

3) Check this out:

The Vice President praised the roles of Senator Graham and Ambassador Gardner in the Council. The Vice President in turn welcomed Spain's Foreign Minister Abel Matutes and referred to his meeting with President Aznar in May 1996, at which time they both expressed their interest in the role that an organization like the United States-Spain Council could perform in improving relations between the United States and Spain. He praised the commitment and effort of the Council in pursuing initiatives in diplomacy, government, business, culture, and education. Mr. Gore said that Spain and the United States are also working together to build a stronger NATO in the face of the new realities of Europe. To this effect, Spain has emerged as a shining example for other countries in Central Europe.

In the educational field, he referred to the important initiatives in scientific and technological co-operation inaugurated this year, and to the continued support for Fulbright scholarships, and other joint Spain-United States programs which have raised $1 million for graduate studies in the U.S. The Vice President's own family has benefitted from close relations with Spain through his daughter Karenna, who has recently spent a year studying in Spain.

He concluded his remarks emphasizing that U.S.-Spanish relations are now excellent and quoting José María Pemán: "No hay virtud mas eminente que el hacer sencillamente lo que tenemos que hacer." - "There is no better virtue than simply doing what we have to do".

Foreign Minister Matutes expressed his appreciation to Vice President Gore for his participation in the opening session of the meeting.

This certainly allows for at least an appearance of possible impropriety on Karenna's part.

4) The CIA did not want to do this. She had no legal right whatsoever to the extra goodies she was given, if any. (It's hard to tell from the article whether or not the illegal goodies were actually provided.)

5) The article makes it clear that Al and Karenna both VIOLATED FEDERAL LAW:

...then - vice president had instructed CIA director John Deutch NOT to notify Congress that the agency was covertly helping to protect Mr. Gore's daughter while she lived in Spain and worked as a reporter for a Madrid newspaper. Federal law REQUIRES the agency to provide congressional notification on all covert operations, but at Mr. Gore's insistence refused for months to tell key ranking members of the House and Senate intelligence committees. He and Karenna should be facing jail time for this.

41 posted on 01/08/2003 4:17:43 PM PST by Timesink (FINISH THE DAMN GAME!!!)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
The media is still too busy trying to hunt down stories about a then 20 yr old, buying a margarita,than to bother with requests for falsified papers for family members of a sitting vice president.

Bush ought to order the photos of all three Gore daughters posted at every ingress and egress point in the entire United States, and have them immediately arrested by Customs if any of them ever show up using a false passport.

42 posted on 01/08/2003 4:21:52 PM PST by Timesink (FINISH THE DAMN GAME!!!)
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To: KC_Conspirator; Liz; Miss Marple
We can only guess what special treatment, perks Chelsea got.
43 posted on 01/08/2003 7:05:48 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Timesink
"...yeah, I was in sang-bang, gang-gong, special-unit-aiborne batallion,...my name was agent orange, yeah agent orange."
44 posted on 01/08/2003 8:54:55 PM PST by lorrainer (Cuomo's Crayon Corps, 8-Pack Division)
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To: Fred Mertz; aristeides
Gore wants his little girl to climb the career ladder in the shadow government. It worked for Clinton, Hillary and Putin. Haven't you heard democracy and an electorate are kaput notions?
45 posted on 01/12/2003 5:14:46 AM PST by rubbertramp
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To: rubbertramp
The Vice President's own family has benefitted from close relations with Spain through his daughter Karenna, who has recently spent a year studying in Spain.

Was she studying, or working for a Madrid newspaper? If she was working for a Madrid newspaper, does anybody know which paper?

46 posted on 01/12/2003 6:25:48 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Timesink
Just another Seasoned Criminal
47 posted on 01/12/2003 6:35:41 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan; metalbird1; quidam
Bmp.
48 posted on 01/12/2003 9:09:30 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: aristeides
According to London's Evening Standard, Karenna Gore [now Schiff] was a reporter for El Pais.
49 posted on 01/12/2003 10:55:26 AM PST by Wallaby
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To: Wallaby
El Pais is a good -- though leftist -- newspaper. I'm surprised. I wonder if anybody can dig up any of her articles.
50 posted on 01/12/2003 11:20:38 AM PST by aristeides
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