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Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban
CNSNews.com ^ | February 17, 2003 | Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban By Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 02/18/2003 6:47:07 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants

A well-known gun maker recently introduced a powerful new hunting revolver that is said to have no equal in terms of firepower.

But within days of introducing the Smith & Wesson 500 Magnum at an industry-wide trade show in Florida, an anti-gun Democrat promised to seek a nationwide ban on the product.

"It's hard for me to rationalize any particular need or purpose" for the 500 Magnum, said Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

Asked if he would seek a nationwide ban on the 500 Magnum, Davis replied, "Yes, indeed."

Billed as the "most powerful production revolver in the world today," S&W claims its new 500 Magnum cartridge produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44 Magnum round, one of the most powerful sidearm cartridges available.

But Davis said the .50 caliber revolver, which weighs 72.5 ounces and has an overall length 15-inch has no purpose in society except to cause injury and death to humans, dismissing the manufacturer's claim that it is intended for hunting wild game.

He claimed handguns in general are specifically designed kill fellow human beings, whereas rifles and shotguns are typically relegated to hunting animals.

"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said. "Those of us who live in big, urban centers have a different fear and a different take than some people who may live in different environments."

Davis believes the 500 Magnum has a greater potential for becoming a lethal inner-city status symbol than an effective hunting tool, at least in his congressional district. He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs.

"If you live in a place like Chicago, and you know the amount of violence that is perpetrated by individuals who grow-up with the idea that having, handling and using a gun is a way-of-life in terms of establishing yourself on the streets or as part of the culture, then I'm afraid that many of these individuals will, in fact, acquire this weapon," Davis said.

"And, of course, the thing will be, 'I've got the most powerful piece on the block,'" he said.

Can a revolver be an assault weapon?

While Smith & Wesson's new five-round revolver is billed by the company as "the most powerful production revolver ever made," it's already being reclassified by some gun control advocates.

"If you've got something that masquerades as a handgun, but has the firepower of a major weapon, you're all at risk," said Illinois State House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie. "This is not the Wild West. It hasn't been for a long time."

Currie compared the 500 Magnum to "military-style assault weapons," although she had no information to base her claims on except for a "tip" received from a reporter.

"I'm not a weapons expert, but it sounded like pretty strong firepower to me," Currie said. "The description I heard was that from a significant range you could fell a large bear."

She dismissed the notion that the 500 Magnum is a hunting revolver, but did equate it with mob violence.

"My concern is whether this kind of weaponry -- it is a handgun as I understand it -- in a crowded, urban area downtown street corners in the midst of people who are angry about something and developing the kind of rage that means vandalism and mob action - whether this kind of weapon has any place," Currie said.

Like Davis, Currie said she would examine the prospects of making the sidearm illegal in the state.

"I'm going to look at the technology, as I say, and see if there is any way to specifically keep it from operating in the state of Illinois," Flynn said. "We are also working on efforts to ban military-style assault weapons, and, perhaps there is something about this technology that makes it possible to amend that legislation to include firepower like this."

Anti-gun message said to be flawed

Rifles are most commonly used for hunting, but many gun enthusiasts have also used smaller side arms for hunting, according to Gun Owners of America Executive Director Larry Pratt, who corrected the claim by Davis that hunters don't use revolvers to shoot prey.

"He's quite ignorant because there are people who do," Pratt said. "I do know for a fact that people take large caliber handguns with them to go hunting. And, I have no doubt that if you were lucky enough to get close enough, you could take a deer down with a .44 Magnum, which until now, was the biggest gun around."

As far as Davis' contention that any would-be criminal could easily conceal the 500 Magnum, Pratt said, "Yeah, if you have a trench coat or something like that."

Asked if the 500 Magnum's predecessor, the .44 Magnum faced the same criticisms and threats by politicians upon its introduction in 1955, Pratt said the controversy over Smith and Wesson's latest offering appears to be a sign of the times.

"It was all sort of good clean fun when it was introduced, but we're 20 years further along the gun-hating sensitivity training," Pratt said. "We're talking about the frame of mind that opposes concealed carry by private citizens."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Free Republic; Government; US: Illinois
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To: Centurion2000

QUOTE:
Now a good idea would be a 45/454 revolver with a 12 gause (or even a long 50 cal shtogun shell) center barrel has some very interesting possibilities

Indeed. Such a gun would be quite a sight...

41 posted on 02/18/2003 7:45:30 AM PST by Garegaupa
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Hark, the cry of the 'Morono Ignorante' gun grabbers rises in the crisp night air like the haunted call of the loon from the heart of the swamp! What a bunch of idiots! I'd like to see someone conceal one of those.Besides, you really don't take a five shot revolver to start a gunfight with these days.
42 posted on 02/18/2003 7:53:31 AM PST by angry beaver norbert
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To: SirFishalot
Now that's a nice handgun!
43 posted on 02/18/2003 7:54:51 AM PST by angry beaver norbert
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To: cake_crumb
Absolutely!What these idiots are afraid of is that the American people will realize the armed citizen was also intended as the ultimate check against politicians gone totally stupid!
44 posted on 02/18/2003 8:02:11 AM PST by angry beaver norbert
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said.

As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!" That statement alone clearly demonstrates this political hack's total ignorance about firearms and hunting.

In fact, literally tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, of hunters use handguns of all types and calibers for hunting game from squirrels and rabbits up to moose and Kodiak bears. Revolvers chambered for the .454 Casull, .476 Linebaugh, .45-70, and even the relatively puny .44 mag, have been used for many years to take dangerous game the size of Cape buffalo and larger. Not to mention single shot hand cannons like the TC Contender which are chambered for centerfire rifle rounds.

I haven't seen the ballistics of the new S&W .50, but I would bet it isn't any more powerful than the .476 Linebaugh which has been available in custom revolvers for over a decade. I would also bet that neither the .476, .454 Casull, .480 Ruger, or .45-70 (revolver), have ever been used to deliberately kill or injure a human being, nor to commit any crime period.

45 posted on 02/18/2003 8:16:12 AM PST by epow
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"If you've got something that masquerades as a handgun, but has the firepower of a major weapon, you're all at risk," said Illinois State House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie. "This is not the Wild West. It hasn't been for a long time."

Has she inadvertently found the problem?

46 posted on 02/18/2003 8:23:55 AM PST by upchuck (Sadamn: You are on the way to destruction...you have no chance to survive, make your time..ha ha ha)
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To: WSGilcrest
My wrist started hurting just looking at that picture.

I used to deer hunt exclusively with a Ruger SuperBlackhawk .44 Mag. When I broke my wrist in a motorcycle accident (navicular bone in center of the wrist) I had to start wearing a wrist brace when I shot the .44 or else it hurt to the point that I would flinch when firing.

Can't imagine what that thing would be like to fire.

BTW, the politicians listed in the article above represent the lowest common denominator el stupido leftist mentality. They have no idea what they are talking about, but they are willing to legislate it.
47 posted on 02/18/2003 8:44:35 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Five pounds and fifteen inches long, and this idiot is babbling about "concealability?" Yeah, just look for the gangbangah walking through South Central in July wearing a trenchcoat and listing twenty degrees to port. Riiight.

}:-)4
48 posted on 02/18/2003 8:56:51 AM PST by Moose4 (The game is over.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
For several years I've had this, from Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO), saved on disk...

ADL LIE: "Gun control" makes you safer, at the cost of "minor" inconvenience, e.g., permits, waiting periods, registration bans on, and confiscation of, some firearms and magazines.

JPFO FACT: The down-side to "gun control" is genocide, and mortal peril to those in the U.S. armed services, who have recently been deployed overseas thanks to "gun control".

In this century there have been at least seven major genocides in which at least 56,000,000 persons, including millions of children, have been murdered by officials of governments "gone bad". The seven cases are:

1915 - 1917 Ottoman Turkey, 1.5 million Armenians murdered;

1929 - 1953 Soviet Union, 20 million people that opposed Stalin were murdered;

1933 - 1945 Nazi occupied Europe, 13 million Jews Gypsies and others that opposed Hitler were murdered;

1948 - 1952 China, 20 million anti communists;

1960 - 1981 Guatemala, 100,000 Mayan Indians Murdered;

1971 - 1979 Uganda, 300,000 Christians and Political Rivals of Idi Amin murdered;

1975 - 1979 Cambodia, 1 million educated persons murdered.TOTAL VICTIMS: 56 MILLION!

In every case, there was on the books before the murdering began, at least one "gun control" law, sometimes the last of a series. In five of the seven cases, "gun control" was first enacted by a regime that came before the genocide regime -- sometimes decades before.

49 posted on 02/18/2003 8:58:50 AM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: AngryJawa
"Yo, G, check this out! I got me a fiddy!"

(draws S&W .500 and holds it in classic movie-gangbangah sideways grip)

*BANG*

(gun flies out of the playah's hand as his wrist pulverizes, and hits him in the nose, breaking it--the nose, not the gun. Then the gun hits the ground and discharges into the shooter's chest, thus helping to chlorinate the gene pool)

"daaaaayyyuummm"

}:-)4
50 posted on 02/18/2003 9:02:06 AM PST by Moose4 (The game is over.)
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To: Gargantua
"Yeah, we could tell, Dan. Try deep breathing and humming quietly for 10 minutes... let your mind go blank. You'll feel much better"

Methinks his problem is that his mind IS a blank...like all of the left wing, he's firing INTELLECTUAL blanks, anyway.

51 posted on 02/18/2003 9:03:06 AM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people."

This is essentially right. Guns are made to immediately stop or deter those who would harm innocent people. This applies to violent criminals, as well as to the agents of tyranny.

The ability of guns to kill is essential to their function as the tools that preserve our freedoms.
53 posted on 02/18/2003 9:19:28 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: spodefly
"I used to deer hunt exclusively with a Ruger SuperBlackhawk .44 Mag. When I broke my wrist in a motorcycle accident (navicular bone in center of the wrist) I had to start wearing a wrist brace when I shot the .44 or else it hurt to the point that I would flinch when firing."

To paraphrase Lawrence of Arabia, the secret to avoid flinching is not in preventing it from hurting. The secret is not minding that it hurts.

(But Lawrence didn't live too long, so a wrist brace is probably sensible.)
54 posted on 02/18/2003 9:22:16 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Lucky I just got a .480 Ruger Super Red Hawk. 0.02 under the "ban limit" on the diameter. Sweet.

Now if I could just find me a NEOS in stainless...

--Boris

55 posted on 02/18/2003 9:27:03 AM PST by boris
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

I like cheese, Danny-boy. That's my opinion. And you'll get my cheese long before you get my guns!

56 posted on 02/18/2003 9:30:15 AM PST by Redcloak (Jøìn thë Çøålìtìon tø Prëvënt the Åbûsë of Ûnnëçëssårìlÿ Lëngthÿ, Vërbøsë ånd Nønsënsìçål Tåg Lìnës)
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To: Moose4
Thank you for fleshing out my scenario. I would have thought all the bling-bling around his neck would deflect a .50 round, thereby saving young G's bacon. Guess not.
57 posted on 02/18/2003 9:31:29 AM PST by AngryJawa (Warning! Grumpy Gen-X Capitalist Pig With Firearms)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; *bang_list
I really have no use for Smith and Wesson, nor for one of their overpriced and underfinished handguns. If I want something suitable for nailing a bear, I'll use a short shotgun with slugs, or better, a decent rifle; if portability is an issue, as it was back in the days when I was flying a shortwing Piper Tri-Pacer around Alaska's dirtfield and bush airstrips, I might consider the new S&W cartridge, but almost certainly not in the S&W-made pistol. And in a Thompson Center contender, the cartridge might be well-suited for hunting moose or elk, and maybe even whitetail deer, maybe downloaded a smidgen.

But that said, I'd much rather live in a world where the S&W .500 Magnum revolver exists and Illinois Quisling politician Danny Davis does not than vice versa. And if both are removed from the American scene, I would certainly more miss the passing of the handgun, for which I could conceivably come up with a use, than that of the cheap shyster politico, for whom I can see no good use at all.


58 posted on 02/18/2003 9:52:06 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: epow
Don't you think he knows that? He is a DemocRat gun grabber, therefore he lies using fear as his tool to wrench power from the soccer moms.
59 posted on 02/18/2003 9:54:41 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: Beelzebubba
"Guns are made to immediately stop or deter those who would harm innocent people. This applies to ... the agents of tyranny. "

And THAT is what victim disarmament is all about. They know that you won't like what they have in mind so they have to make sure thaty you don't have the means to resist first. Make no bones about it, the left knows that until they have disarmed the U.S. citizens, they cannot achieve their agenda.

I don't buy the "boil a frog to death slowly" theory, at least not when applied to humans. While some people will gladly accept the bonds of slavery, many people - myseld included - will make poor slaves. People are starting to notice that the water is getting uncomfortably warm and are starting to complain. More people are getting involved. More people than ever are buying homeland defense rifles.

I will die someday, but it won't be from boiling to death.

60 posted on 02/18/2003 10:03:45 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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