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Communist Goals (1963) My title, The reason the media is biased in favor of un-American attitudes.
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 ^ | Thursday, January 10, 1963 | [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

Posted on 03/02/2003 11:04:26 AM PST by o_zarkman44

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.


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This is a reprint, and a reminder of what we who stand for Democracy are up against.We want fair and biased media coverage of people who support America. This is what we are up against in the media. Many of the above outlined goals have been enabled. Make a mental note of each item in the list. Are you shocked yet?
1 posted on 03/02/2003 11:04:26 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: o_zarkman44
This is a completely bogus urban legend which crops up periodically on FR. It is on the level of the Protocols of Zion Where did these alleged goals come from? Where were the published? Did the CP actual use this, almost comic Dr. Evil-like wording, or was the wording used by an "interpreter?" Yes....I know it was published in the Congressional Record...but so what? You see some of the stuff that Maxine Waters inserts there.
2 posted on 03/02/2003 11:09:13 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
The names have changed, but the enemy is still the same. You discredit this transcript. Perhaps you are an enabler?
3 posted on 03/02/2003 11:14:58 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Captain Kirk
Cleon Skousen (author) was in the FBI and a Professor at Brigham Young.....do you think he was lying or making this up.? I'm just curious...
4 posted on 03/02/2003 11:25:10 AM PST by goodnesswins (Thank the Military for your freedom and security....and thank a Rich person for jobs.)
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To: Captain Kirk
here did these alleged goals come from? Where were the published?

First, it is not an urban legend. Leon Skousen was an FBI agent. Many, if not most of the goals he articulates were written by Antonio Gramsci, including destroying the family with sexual perversion. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Gramsci's writings before flippantly dismissing Skousen's conslusions?

Skousen also worked extensively from Carrol Quigley's writings back when almost no one had ever heard of them (the mid-1950s). Quigley's book was pulled by the publisher, and it wasn't because people weren't interested in reading it. Unless you have also read Tragedy and Hope, I would suggest you do a little homework before you so dispense such vitriol.

5 posted on 03/02/2003 11:30:28 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Leon=Cleon

Mea culpa.
6 posted on 03/02/2003 11:32:51 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Thanks....I had found a copy of Leon's "list" (sent out by a conservative group in the 50's) in my Grandmother's belongings when I cleaned out her house for her move to a nursing home. It sure woke me up.
7 posted on 03/02/2003 11:33:02 AM PST by goodnesswins (Thank the Military for your freedom and security....and thank a Rich person for jobs.)
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To: Carry_Okie
I managed to purchase a copy of Tragedy and Hope after having read a copy I checked out from the Ft. Worth library.
It is a history of various monetary systems over the last several hundred years. Then around page 950 (of over 1300 pages) it starts getting very interesting.
Quigley was Slick's "mentor" according to Clinton.
8 posted on 03/02/2003 11:48:37 AM PST by Abcdefg
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To: o_zarkman44
I hate to say this, but it looks like they are doing pretty well on a lot of these objectives.
9 posted on 03/02/2003 1:12:48 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: o_zarkman44; JLO; Dec31,1999; FreddieKruger; Fred Mertz; Lexington Green; miss print; ...
NEVER FORGET

...OSAMA bin LADEN has personally drawn the Battle Lines in his new Terrorist World War saying that...


"It's now the Communists -&- Muslims of the World..

..vs...

the Christians -&- Jews of the World"


...T'was HILLARY RODHAM who aided HO CHI MINH's Communist Victory over Freedom in a once Free South Vietnam long ago.


...In a new -Time of War-..

...In a new Century...

...With an Enemy that is now...

...Just around the Corner and...

...Up your street:


"IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Armed Services Committee

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629

NEVER FORGET
10 posted on 03/02/2003 4:17:32 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRay.com)
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To: o_zarkman44; GatorGirl; tiki; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ..
Given the almost undisputed FACT that the CPUSA and the International CP targeted the Roman Catholic Church, I am pinging the Catholic Caucus for their learned comments.
11 posted on 03/02/2003 4:22:23 PM PST by narses
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To: narses; o_zarkman44
Here are some older threads related to ongoing communist infiltration (heck the Dems are socialists these days!) in several institutions including religion:

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b555c262d74.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/722955/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/745337/posts

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/1998/february_1998_3.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b548ccc25e5.htm

http://www.rcf.org/docs/beginningoftheend.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3926ba0b3bfa.htm

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b1dcf16114b.htm The wildlands Project and Agenda 21

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ac76978087e.htm
Education the Fifth Estate
http://www.freeRepublic.com/forum/a3b0e83a71dd0.htm
12 posted on 03/02/2003 5:10:12 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Domestic Church
Thank you!
13 posted on 03/02/2003 5:14:01 PM PST by narses
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To: Captain Kirk
Isn't Maxine Waters a member of the *progressive* (socialist) caucus of the Democratic party?
14 posted on 03/02/2003 5:20:02 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Captain Kirk
But listen to this excerpt on how the Bosheviks ran things in the Soviet Union from Richard Halliburton's "Seven League Boots"; 1935, in the chapter called "Straight talk from Russia"

Remember to put it into the context of the times - the Great Depression, when many, many influential people thought capitalism was through and Communism was the way of the future...

"Of course some of the stubborn ones may not like their new medicine. But we know what's good for them - they don't. We must lock them in. From now on no Russian may leave Russia."

"There will probably be a few fools," the leader continued, "who will fail to appreciate the blessings we are going to give them, and will try to run away. And perhaps some of them will succeed. But we'll take care of that. If any Russian does escape we'll persecute his mother and sisters and children, and send them off to starve and freeze in Siberia. That will teach the other rebels a lesson!"

"The family must go next. Family unity is a capitalistic and bourgeois custom dangerous to Communism. Our children must be taught to spy upon their parents and testify against them. Our men and women must be able to love whom they please, when they please; to marry and divorce on impulse. Our state will care for the unwanted offspring, and do it better than the parents."

"Money," they said, "is the source of all evil. Money was the support of the gentry and intelligentsia. We must destroy all private wealth, all private property, and all means of accumulating it, lest these old classes come back."

What's bizarre is many of these same ideas have been thrown around here in the US for a long time by socialists and others who might not have any idea where they came from.
15 posted on 03/02/2003 5:27:39 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: o_zarkman44
Bump...
16 posted on 03/02/2003 5:35:38 PM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: Freedom4US
"The family must go next. Family unity is a capitalistic and bourgeois custom dangerous to Communism. Our children must be taught to spy upon their parents and testify against them."

And the schools are pushing a new survey in the public schools of PA which asks invasive and inflamatory questions about the child's family.

It's no wonder that the socialist teachers union NEA, the largest contributor to the DNC, was started in PA.

Here's more germane links to communist goals:

The Soviet Art of Brain Washing

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/psychopolitics.html

The Democratic National Convention (if the link is still active)

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/conventions/democratic/features/platform.00/#7
17 posted on 03/02/2003 5:56:32 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Captain Kirk
Here's another oldie but a goodie...

Attitude Channeling

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a33b0424856.htm
18 posted on 03/02/2003 6:37:25 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: o_zarkman44; Domestic Church
The Lucis Trust and the United Nations seem very innocuous on the front but their agenda is the ruination of souls and the conversion of the world.

The Lucis Trust is on WOR radio, New York, New York City's 2nd-Largest AM Radio Station WOR Radio 710 AM on you dial every Sunday from 7 am - 8 am. I happened to stumble on it one morning and have been researching it for a few weeks now. New Age and Satan Worship.

Here are some links

http://www.lucistrust.org/arcane/nasymb.shtml

http://www.oneworld.ru/lucis-rus/lucispub/

Teaching God's children to worship "Divine Nature"
http://getusout.org/un/articles/essay.htm

The Earth Charter
http://getusout.org/earthcharter/

http://getusout.org/earthcharter/index.htm

UNESCO: A Budding Global School Board
http://getusout.org/un/articles/unesco.htm

http://getusout.org/un/articles/newworldreligion.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/12-16-2002/vo18no25_ark.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/focus/earth_charter/index.htm


Rebutting Rockefeller
http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/11-04-2002/vo18no22_rockefeller.htm

http://getusout.org/earthworship/index.htm

http://getusout.org/un/articles/rockford_ark.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/12-16-2002/vo18no25_ark.htm

The European Union's Stealth Attack on Religion
http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2000/07-31-2000/insider/vo16no16_eu.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/focus/religion/index.htm ____________________________________________________

The Catholic Church is against Communism and Socialism, Make sure the socialists do not take over; they are working from within the church and are part of the media and will stop at nothing from destroying the Church.
 
QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO Xlll ON SOCIALISM
DECEMBER 28, 1878
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13apost.htm
 
NOSTIS ET NOBISCUM
ON THE CHURCH IN THE PONTIFICAL STATES
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS IX
DECEMBER 8, 1849
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9nostis.htm
 
QUADRAGESIMO ANNO
ON RECONSTRUCTION OF THE SOCIAL ORDER
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS Xl MAY 15, 1931
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11QUADR.HTM
 
GRAVES DE COMMUNI RE
Encyclical of Pope leo XIII on Christian Democracy
January 18, 1901
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13grcom.htm
 
MATER ET MAGISTRA
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE JOHN XXIII ON MAY 15, 1961
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/John23/j23mater.htm
 
Part of the 45 Goals of Communism
 
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
 
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
 
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
 
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
__________________________________________
Lucis Trust - The Spiritual Foundation of the United Nations
UN Logo

33 Segments surrounded by sprigs of acacia
'Welcome to the United Nations. It's your World'...

By, Atrayu

The Spiritual Foundation of the United Nations

The Lucis Trust

UN Meditation Room The Lucis Trust is the Publishing House which prints and disseminates United Nations material. It is a devastating indictment of the New Age and Pagan nature of the UN. Lucis Trust was established in 1922 as Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey as the publishing company to disseminate the books of Bailey and Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society. The title page of Alice Bailey's book, 'Initiation, Human and Solar' was originally printed in 1922, and clearly shows the publishing house as 'Lucifer Publishing CoIn 1923. Bailey changed the name to Lucis Trust, because Lucifer Trust revealed the true nature of the New Age Movement too clearly. (Constance Cumbey, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, p. 49). A quick trip to any New Age bookstore will reveal that many of the hard-core New Age books are published by Lucis Trust.

At one time, the Lucis Trust office in New York was located at 866 United Nations Plaza and is a member of the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations under a slick program called "World Goodwill". In an Alice Bailey book called "Education for a New Age"; she suggests that in the new age "World Citizenship should be the goal of the enlightened, with a world federation and a world brain." In other words - a One World Government New World Order.

Luci's Trust is sponsored by among others Robert McNamara, former minister of Defence in the USA, president of the World Bank, member of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Thomas Watson (IBM, former ambassador in Moscow). Luci's Trust sponsors among others the following organizations: UN, Greenpeace Int., Greenpeace USA, Amnesty Int. and UNICEF.

The United Nations has long been one of the foremost world harbingers for the "New Spirituality" and the gathering "New World Order" based on ancient occult and freemasonic principles. Seven years after the birth of the UN, a book was published by the theosophist and founder of the Lucis Trust, Alice Bailey, claiming that "Evidence of the growth of the human intellect along the needed receptive lines [for the preparation of the New Age] can be seen in the "planning" of various nations and in the efforts of the United Nations to formulate a world plan... From the very start of this unfoldment, three occult factors have governed the development of all these plans". [Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 1955), Vol. II, p.35.]

Although she did not spell out clearly the identity of these 'three occult factors', she did reveal to her students that "Within the United Nations is the germ and seed of a great international and meditating, reflective group - a group of thinking and informed men and women in whose hands lies the destiny of humanity. This is largely under the control of many fourth ray disciples, if you could but realise it, and their point of meditative focus is the intuitional or Buddhic plane - the plane upon which all hierarchical activity is today to be found'. [Ibid. p.220.]

To this end, the Lucis Trust, under the leadership of Foster and Alice Bailey, started a group called 'World Goodwill' - an official non-governmental organization within the United Nations. The stated aim of this group is "to cooperate in the world of preparation for the reappearance of the Christ" [One Earth, the magazine of the Findhorn Foundation, October/November 1986, Vol. 6, Issue 6, p.24.]

But the esoteric work inside the UN does not stop with such recognized occult groupings. Much of the impetus for this process was initiated through the officership of two Secretary-Generals of the UN, Dag Hammarskjöld (held office: 1953-1961) and U Thant (held office: 1961-1971) who succeeded him, and one Assistant Secretary-general, Dr. Robert Muller. In a book written to celebrate the philosophy of Teilhard de Chardin (and edited by Robert Muller), it is revealed "Dag Hammarskjöld, the rational Nordic economist, had ended up as a mystic. He too held at the end of his life that spirituality was the ultimate key to our earthly fate in time and space". [Robert Muller (ed.), The Desire to be Human: A Global Reconnaissance of Human Perspectives in an Age of Transformation (Miranana, 1983), p.304.]

Sri Chinmoy, the New Age guru, meditation leader at the UN, wrote: "the United Nations is the chosen instrument of God; to be a chosen instrument means to be a divine messenger carrying the banner of God's inner vision and outer manifestation."

William Jasper, author of "A New World Religion" describes the religion of the UN: "...a weird and diabolical convergence of New Age mysticism, pantheism, aboriginal animism atheism, communism, socialism, Luciferian occultism, apostate Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, and Hinduism".

http://www.lucistrust.org

You can find out much more about them and how they're involved with the work of the United Nations by following their link "World Goodwill" at the top of their home page.


The Aquarian Age Community

http://www.aquaac.org/

This Website is sponsored by the United Nations and the whole NWO philosophy is there. The page which explains the work of the Aquarian Age Community, as they call themselves, has this proud quote at the header of their page at http://www.aquaac.org/about/about.html

Such a grandeur is ahead!
Such a great step awaits a fiery affirmation.
Our teaching and the affirmation of the Higher
Principles will reveal so much that is great to humanity!
A great period is drawing near: Thus we do create together.

Fiery World
Vol. III, par. 149

Amongst the many 'enlightening' pages in this website, you can easily find 'fascinating' articles entitled:

"The New World Order and the Work of the UN" http://www.aquaac.org/un/nwo.html

"The World Spiritual Teacher, the Esoteric Community and the United Nations" http://www.aquaac.org/meetings/rttop.html

Preparing the Way for the Reappearance of the World Spiritual Teacher, the Work of the United Nations and the World-Wide Esoteric Community

http://www.aquaac.org/meetings/RT2001.html and many more articles.

This is not Christian theology but New Age paganism. You can also read the NWO quotes I posted, further down this page. Here's another by Curtis Dall, FD Roosevelt's son in law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father in Law:

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations One World Money group... Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.

The UN is but a long range, international banking apparatus nearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One World Revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.

The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market... The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."

 

Under the U.N. Gavel
By Sen. Larry E. Craig, R-ID 

At its founding, the mission of the United Nations, as stated in its charter, was "to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war." It made no claim to supersede the sovereignty of its member states. Article 2 says that the United Nations "is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members," and it may not "intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state."

Since then, the United Nations has turned the principle of national sovereignty on its head. Through a host of conventions, treaties and conferences, it has intruded into regulation of resources and the economy (for example, treaties on "biological diversity," marine resources and climate change) and family life (hyping phoney liberalism while masculinity is scorned and western manhood is amputated - causing untold grief to the family unit) (conventions on parent-child relations and women in society). It has demanded that countries institute racial quotas and laws against hate crimes and speech (while the U.N. itself can jail someone for 30 years without trial). Recently the United Nations tried to undermine Americans' constitutional right to keep and bear arms (with proposed restrictions on the international sale of small arms).

Fortunately, many of these have been dead on arrival in the U.S. Senate, successive presidents have refused to endorse others, and in any case the United Nations had little power of enforcement. But in 1998, one mechanism of global government (there it is in the Washington Post folks) came to life with the so-called "Rome Statute" establishing a permanent International Criminal Court (and abolishing the Magna Carta in Britain). Once this treaty is ratified by 60 countries, the United Nations will wield judicial power over every individual human being -- even over citizens of countries that haven't joined the court.

While the court's stated mission is dealing with war crimes and crimes against humanity (what about their own crimes against humanity when they committed widespread genocide in the Balkans and East Timor? Dare I say they are hypocrites?) -- which, because there is no appeal from its decisions, only the court will have the right to define -- its mandate could be broadened later. Based on existing U.N. tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda, which are models for the International Criminal Court, defendants will have none of the due process rights afforded by the U.S. Constitution, such as trial by jury, confrontation of witnesses or a speedy and public trial (that's a communist court system!).

President Clinton signed the Rome treaty last year, citing U.S. support for existing U.N. war crimes tribunals. Many suppose the court will target only a Slobodan Milosevic or the perpetrators of massacres in Rwanda, or dictators like Iraq's Saddam Hussein. But who knows? To some people, Augusto Pinochet is the man who saved Chile from communism; to others he is a murderer. Who should judge him -- the United Nations or the Chilean people?

In dozens of countries, governments use brutal force against insurgents. Should the United Nations decide whether leaders in Turkey or India should be put in the defendants' dock, and then commit the United States to bring them there? How about Russia's Vladimir Putin, for Chechnya? Or Israel's Ariel Sharon? Can we trust the United Nations with that decision (the more evil these premieres are - the more the U.N. loves them)?

The court's critics rightly cite the danger to U.S. military personnel deployed abroad. Since even one death can be a war crime, a U.S. soldier could be indicted just for doing his duty. But the International Criminal Court also would apply to acts "committed" by any American here at home. The European Union and U.S. domestic opponents consider the death penalty "discriminatory" and "inhumane." Could an American governor face indictment by the court for "crimes against humanity" for signing a death warrant?

Milosevic was delivered to a U.N. court (largely at U.S. insistence) for offences occurring entirely within his own country. Some say the Milosevic precedent doesn't threaten Americans, because the U.S. Constitution protects them. But for Milosevic, we demanded that the Yugoslav Constitution be trashed and the United Nations' authority prevail. Why should the International Criminal Court treat our Constitution any better (they're already destroying the 2nd amendment with their gun grab and the 1st with their phoney 'hate crime' nonsense)?

Instead of trying to "fix" the Rome treaty, the United States must recognize that it is a fundamental threat to American sovereignty. The State Department's participation in the court's preparatory commission is counterproductive. We need to make it clear that we consider the court an illegitimate body, that the United States will never join it and that we will never accept its "jurisdiction" over any U.S. citizen or help to impose it on other countries.

19 posted on 03/02/2003 7:07:40 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: o_zarkman44; Domestic Church
The Communist Threat

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/847403/posts?page=37#37
20 posted on 03/02/2003 7:11:14 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: goodnesswins
No I don't think he was lying but would like to know the source of this document. Where was it published? Did the commies use this "Dr Evil" type wording, etc.? I am have asked these questions many times and nobody has answered them. If you can provide the evidence, I am all ears. The ball is in your court.
21 posted on 03/02/2003 7:20:41 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
"Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Would they really say that? Would they claim their fellow traveler, Picasso was putting out repulsive, meaningless art?


22 posted on 03/02/2003 7:22:06 PM PST by oyez (Is this a geat country.....or what?)
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To: Carry_Okie
You are making an argument from authority. This is not enough for any historian or researcher who is worth his salt. I concede that Mr. Skousen was a great guy....but nobody is perfect. I asked some very simple questions about the wording of the doucment and where it came from. Can you answer them? Until I see evidence to the contrary, I think this Dr. Evil type "let's conquer the world" wording is laughable.
23 posted on 03/02/2003 7:23:00 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/847403/posts?page=36#36
24 posted on 03/02/2003 7:32:52 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: All
MEMO TO THE VATICAN: WATCH THE U.N. WITH MORE CAUTION, AS WELL AS RISE OF EUROPE

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/852847/posts
25 posted on 03/02/2003 7:36:11 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Captain Kirk; forest
This is not enough for any historian or researcher who is worth his salt.

It depends upon the venue, doesn't it? This is a public forum. As it says in the reading above, the "wording of that document" as read into the Congressional Record, came from Dr. Skounsen's book: The Naked Communist. The book is currently not available on Amazon or Barnes and Noble or I would have posted you a link (it is listed on both in case you want to read the reviews). You might try obtaining it HERE (I don't have a copy or I would make a meaningless (to you) citation). If you want a specific citation, that takes someone who has a copy of the book. I don't. You might ask Freeper forest. IIRC, he has the original copy of the Congressional Record.

26 posted on 03/02/2003 7:45:10 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Captain Kirk
You ponder over who wrote the transcript and if it is verbatum or someone's translation. Regardless of how it is worded, can you not deny that the goals as published have for the most part been accomplished substantially?

Each and every goal listed is ment to discredit and undermine THE AMERICAN WAY. As I asked you before, if you question the intent of this transcript, does that make you one of THE ENABLERS? It seems that it would if you deny the obvious.
27 posted on 03/02/2003 7:47:23 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Domestic Church
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b555c262d74.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/722955/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/745337/posts

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/1998/february_1998_3.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b548ccc25e5.htm

http://www.rcf.org/docs/beginningoftheend.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3926ba0b3bfa.htm

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b1dcf16114b.htm The wildlands Project and Agenda 21

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ac76978087e.htm
Education the Fifth Estate
http://www.freeRepublic.com/forum/a3b0e83a71dd0.htm

28 posted on 03/02/2003 8:16:33 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
Thank you for those great encyclical links and for activating the ones I posted! That Lucis Trust stuff is scary. I'm hoping and praying this Iraq war triggers the UN's demise.
29 posted on 03/03/2003 5:17:57 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: o_zarkman44
Well...we just have a different approach. In my view, if a document is bogus it should not be used and is to our discredit if we use it. Your argument would also justify the bogus Hitler gun control quote which thoroughly embarrased the NRA when shown to be a fake. It was "true" too by your standards.

I am more and more convinced that this is a sham since neither you nor anyone else here seems to be able to answer my basic questions, or even interested in researching them!

30 posted on 03/03/2003 5:56:21 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Carry_Okie
Again, what about my questions? If the document is genuine, let's see the evidence. Where was it first published? Who drafted it? How was it obtained? Is this the official wording of a party document? Finally, do you actually care whether it is genuine?

Please don't give me an argument from authority. Though I respect Charlton Heston and Rush, for example, both used the bogus Hitler gun control quote (much to their embarrassment). To their credit, both admitted their error and stopped giving the quote. Will the circulators of the "Goals" do the same. As to the Congressional record, I can give you some real whoppers published there from Maxine Waters.

31 posted on 03/03/2003 6:01:45 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
You have been offered a source. Now you are simply being lazy in defense of a flippant and baseless disputation. You chose to equate the piece with Maxine Waters. Had you considered looking up much of the background on Dr. Skousen you would have known better.

Seeing as he was a professor at BYU and authored seventeen books, Dr Skousen's CV is easily understood by doing a few searches and reading up on the background. If you have the curiosity (which I doubt; as I think you are just playing stupid games), avail yourself of it. There are ample reviews of his work at Amazon for example and one at the site I gave you that indicates The Naked Communist has over 100 sources.

You clearly don't have "the authority" to deem it bogus, do you?

32 posted on 03/03/2003 7:03:01 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Captain Kirk
What difference does it make? If it can be established it came from 1963 or before, then it is remarkably prescient regardless of who wrote it. If you don't want to attribute to that book, fine, attribute to that Representative's statement in the Congressional Record. It stands very well on its own.
33 posted on 03/03/2003 7:13:25 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobin Mugatu, Zoolander)
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
I didn't say that he did. I said that much of what he derived came from Gramsci and that clearly whouldn't include nuclear weapons. My understanding is that Skousens' book lists over 100 separate sources.
35 posted on 03/03/2003 7:52:51 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Sloth
Your argument applies to equally to the bogus Hitler quote which servered to embarass the gun rights movement including Heston and Rush. It too was "true" by the "what difference does it make" standard you use. I do not believe we can anywhere but promoting fakes or forgeries. The truth is sufficiently powerful.
36 posted on 03/03/2003 8:47:33 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
The Hitler quote I think you're referring to is purely fabricated. How does that compare to a *real* list from the early '60s?
37 posted on 03/03/2003 9:04:42 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobin Mugatu, Zoolander)
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To: Domestic Church
I'm hoping and praying this Iraq war triggers the UN's demise.
>>>>>>


It's probably going to make the UN Stronger as it has become since Bosnia.
38 posted on 03/03/2003 9:50:50 AM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Captain Kirk
The list is not an urban legend.

Skousen's book The Naked Communist, published in 1958, is one of the most important books ever written for grasping Communist Party activities during the Cold War. I read parts of the book back in the 1960s.

I understand that copies of Skousen's famous and important book are still available. I would suggest that you do an internet search and get a copy of the book-- and come up to speed, not disparage the list of the 45 goals as an "urban legend."

On October 25, 1999, Geoff Metcalf presented Skousen's list in a column on worldnetdaily.com, archived at http://www.freedomtapeclub.com/geoff_metcalf.htm. Metcalf said "I could (and probably should) write separate columns on each of the following items in the subsequent list of 1958 Communist Goals. However, this information (and commentary) is not an event, but a process. Therefore, as an introduction (as I practice restraint) here is the Skousen 1958 laundry list/wish list of Communist goals. As you read these please note these were 1958 Communist goals. This is not another cyberspace urban legend. Florida Congressman A.S. Herlong Jr. entered this list into the Congressional Records in 1963.

39 posted on 03/03/2003 11:14:25 AM PST by the_doc
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To: Captain Kirk
I should have closed the quotes at the end of my previous post. Metcalf made the entire statement in his column for WND.

It is interesting that you assumed that the list was an urban legend. Many people react this way. It's because the whole mess is unbelievable to most people.

40 posted on 03/03/2003 11:20:52 AM PST by the_doc
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To: the_doc; Captain Kirk
But some here with white/grey hair recall this list from then. It most certainly isn't an urban legend...how I wish it was! I recall large family gatherings, late 50's early 60's, where all the relatives were discussing this same list and speaking about how compromised we were back then. Shortly after this, by the mid 60's, the public system started to switch from history & geography to *social* studies.
41 posted on 03/03/2003 12:13:00 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Sloth
Hey if the list is really "authored" by the Communist Party (as is the claim)....let's some evidence other than an argument from authority? I have asked my simple questions many times so won't bother repeating them again.
42 posted on 03/03/2003 1:01:51 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Where is it claimed that the list is authored by the Communist Party?
43 posted on 03/03/2003 1:07:44 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobin Mugatu, Zoolander)
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To: Captain Kirk
I've misplaced a book published by the Commitern or some such--an early Commie oversight org--I think in Moscow or some such--a really rare book. . . from decades before 1963--I think maybe even 50 years or so earlier.

The key goals listed above were in that book in one form or another. If and when I find it, I'll post key passages.

This particular list may have some bogus elements or sources associated with it in some way for some reason or another.

But the gist of it is NOT bogus.

It was my job to be aware of such early documents, to organize them and make them available to university researchers.
44 posted on 03/03/2003 1:35:55 PM PST by Quix
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To: Captain Kirk
"Hey if the list is really "authored" by the Communist Party (as is the claim)....let's some evidence other than an argument from authority? "

I don't know who actually wrote the list. However, the first time I read it, I was so appalled that I researched the Communist connection to see it it were true.

The Communist Manifesto includes EACH AND EVERY ONE of these ideas.

I'm still appalled to see how far we've come toward meeting these objectives.
45 posted on 03/03/2003 1:49:39 PM PST by serinde
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To: Sloth
Well....then who the heck wrote it?
46 posted on 03/03/2003 1:56:34 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Probably that Cleon Skousen guy, whoever he is, in his book. What difference does it make? If it was written by Bozo the Clown in 1957 I'd still consider it an amazing document.
47 posted on 03/03/2003 2:04:40 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobin Mugatu, Zoolander)
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To: Captain Kirk
you want research. Ok.


You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point.


Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto






[Source: http://www.mediabypass.com/]

This link may be discontinued. Use your discretion. The thoughts are mind-awakening.







In the early '60's during the days of the "former" Soviet Union, Russian Premier Nikita Kruschev pounded his shoe on the podium of the United Nations and shouted to the West, "We will bury you!" Fearing an invasion from the Reds, America proceeded to build the most awesome military machine in history. Unfortunately, we forgot to guard our political homefront from being taken over by socialist - communist - liberal activists who would gain office and destroy American law by process of gradually installing the Communist agenda within our legal system and seperate branches of government. The Communist program from the start has been one which sees their revolution of 1917 succesful only upon total domination of the world. (See Brain Washing, A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics)

Americans, being the most naive people among the nations, now believe that Communism is dead because the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain have been removed. The ironic truth is that Communism has just switched names to become more "politically correct". Today it is called international democracy. The reason that the Berlin Wall came crashing down is not because Communism is dead but because they have achieved the planned agenda to communize the West, including America. Washington D.C. has indeed become part of the New World Order of atheist governments. With the last vestiges of Christian law having been removed from "American government" over the last twenty years, there is no longer a threat of resistance against world Communism. In reality, "American government" became part of the Iron Curtain, thus there was no more need for the likes of a Berlin Wall.

Once again, in their foolishness, the American public has believed the lies of their "leaders" who applaud "the fall of Communism", while they have sold out the country to anti-Christian, anti-American statutes and regulations on the federal, state, and local levels. Posted below is a comparison of the original ten planks of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart of each of the planks, The American people have truly been "buried in Communism" by their own politicians of both the Republican and Democratic parties. One other thing to remember, Karl Marx was stating in the Communist Manifesto that these planks will test whether a country has become commmunist or not. If they are all in effect and in force the country IS communist. Communism, but by any other name...??

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.



2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".



3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.



4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986);

Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.



5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).



6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.



7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.



8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Fedral Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.



9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.



10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .



So I ask you...does changing the words, change the end result? By using different words is it all of a sudden OK????? We are so "smart," aren't we??






Documentation

Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library.
Sources are listed below.
The quote starts on page 259.




Microfilm:

California State University at San Jose
Clark Library, Government Floor
Phone (408)924-2770
Microfilm
Call Number:
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11
.R5
Congressional Record, Vol. 109
88th Congress, 1st Session
Appendix Pages A1-A2842
Jan. 9-May 7, 1963
Reel 12




The book was found in the off campus stacks, was ordered and checked. The quote below was checked against the original and is correct. The few errors in the copy from the Congressional Record are shown in [ ] .

The quote starts on page 259.

California State University at San Jose, Clark Library stacks call number:
Naked Communist
HX
56
S55

Book title page:
Skowsen, We Cleon. Naked Communist
Salt Lake City, Utah: Ensign Publishing Co.
C. 1961 , 9th edition July 1961.
48 posted on 03/03/2003 3:18:43 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Captain Kirk
It isnt. Go to Amazon.com (or if you must, go to the library) and get W. Cleon Skousen's "The Naked Communist". It's a very revealing and quite timeless tome.
49 posted on 03/03/2003 9:02:32 PM PST by GOP_Raider (OAKLAND RAIDERS AFC CHAMPIONS!!!!)
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To: o_zarkman44
Also Read " Venona Intercepts "

Secrets, Lies, and Atomic Spies,.....Or... Joe McCarthy was more right than he ever kne

whttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/622675/posts

50 posted on 03/03/2003 10:02:42 PM PST by quietolong
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