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What makes me so upset about this is exploiting Pvt. Lynch just to further a political agenda.
1 posted on 04/23/2003 9:45:31 AM PDT by Maverick241
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To: Maverick241
If a woman can do a job as well as a man she should get the opportunity. Unfortunately the military has had to lower the physical standards for many jobs just to allow women to qualify. I worked with a dozen women while on active duty and not one of them was as physically qualified to do the job as the average male in the same field.

Four out of five female fighter pilots that I saw go through the training would have washed out if they were men. The fifth was absolutely outstanding.

2 posted on 04/23/2003 9:58:11 AM PDT by mbynack
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Leave women the hell outta the infantry.....period. Anyone that wants them to be there has no clue as to how or WHY the infantry works and is just furthering an agenda.
3 posted on 04/23/2003 10:06:09 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry
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They are not just willing to exploit women, they're willing to have them brutalize, raped and killed, just to further their political agenda. Feminism is evil.
4 posted on 04/23/2003 10:07:59 AM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies, he murders part of the world.)
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Where's that picture of the guy holding his head saying,"Oh,no. Not this sh** again!"
5 posted on 04/23/2003 10:08:20 AM PDT by Adrastus
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I think the author forgot a few points:

Women take forever going to the bathroom in the field. They can slow down an advancing unit. (Not to mention more trouble when Aunt Flo is in town!)

Physical standards are lowered for women in training. If any woman can meet the physical standards of the men, then the standards for the men aren't high enough.

What happens when a female sailor becomes pregnant? It becomes the Captain's first priority to get her off the ship, changing their schedules duties.

If women think that they can bond with men, then they have no idea what a bond between men is.

It doesn't matter how brave and courageous women may be, what matters is how the majority of a unit (the men) react when the women in that unit are in danger.

IMHO, women get in the way of men trying to do a man's job, and when women run things - they get screwed up (i.e. public education).

Bring on the flaming posts!

7 posted on 04/23/2003 10:19:29 AM PDT by ILBBACH (Rock sucks! Classical rules!)
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Having been in uniform I can tell you that:
Women and men are really well and truly vastly different physically in as much as women honestly CAN'T do some of the same tasks militarily as men.
CAN'T.
Yes, that is read correctly.
In teh physical fitness test, there are different standards for men and women.
In combat situations, those differences are magnified.
The ability to run 2 miles under a certain time is a measure of endurance.
The standards for women are far lower than those for men.

In combat, men will try to 'make up the difference' in performance to the detriment of the mission.
Not to knock women in uniform, I have no problem with that.
It's just fact, plain and simple.
Closing one's eyes and saying "There is no difference" is insane and foolish.
Women do not belong in combat, period.
Want to know why?
Everyone who has experimented with mixed sex units has had to spin off single sex units to prevent one thing from happening:
The men will try to 'take a bullet' for the women simply because the women are WOMEN.
That endangers the mission.
Yes, you cover your buddies in combat, but you don't do stupid stuff like make a target of yourself to do so.

What really needs to be done is to remove the hands form the eyes and stop repeating the false mantra of "There is no differnece between the sexes" and honestly look at fact.
If there truly were no differences in performance, then the APFT wouldn't have different standards for women and men.
9 posted on 04/23/2003 10:47:46 AM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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I have just one thing to say about the premise of this article:

Bull Sh*t


11 posted on 04/23/2003 11:02:10 AM PDT by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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Army flight surgeon Maj. Rhonda Cornum and Army Transportation Spc. Melissa Rathbun-Nealy. Cornum, who suffered multiple injuries when the helicopter carrying her was shot down, was sexually assaulted and repeatedly interrogated. As she told Time magazine, "You're supposed to look at this as a fate worse than death. Having faced both, I can tell you it's not. Getting molested was not the biggest deal of my life." WHOA NELLY! You mean rape and sexual abuse is "not a big deal" after all???!?? After all those years of "sexual harrassment" awareness?!? etc. Gee, I guess those womyn can go 'give the night back' to the men again.

I am mainly point this out to show that feminists often use illegitimate arguments to make one point then inconsistently make the opposite point in a different argument.

13 posted on 04/23/2003 11:06:27 AM PDT by WOSG (All Hail The Free Republic of Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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Her experience shows that the time is right to blast through the armored ceiling that keeps women second-class citizens in the military

Somehow I don't think this reporter has talked to Lynch. Seems like her male captors took full advantage of her. I would be surpized if she wasn't:

Was she sexually assaulted, given VDs such as aids, sypallis, multilated, busted (most of her bones and back were broken) ?. I'm sure she'll look great on a date if she can ever walk again.

Were just lucky she wasn't PREGNANT at the time when she was captured, or married with a child at home.

Gee... are you so sure putting women in harms way is such a great idea?

17 posted on 04/23/2003 11:26:10 AM PDT by sr4402
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Excuse No. 2: Women have an adverse effect on male bonding and cohesion in a unit. Lynch proved not only that she was able to fight to defend her unit, but also that she was part of a group in which everyone was fighting to protect each other.

Yeah, and her case proved that the military are willing to make a special operation to rescue a female soldier. Something like in GI Jane movie where the action is dangerously modified in order to protect a woman member of a team.

I suspect this type of "cohesion" is not very useful.

19 posted on 04/23/2003 11:29:43 AM PDT by A. Pole
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24 posted on 04/23/2003 12:48:50 PM PDT by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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If war just wasn't so hard............

War is sexist and must be sued by Gloria Allred.

27 posted on 04/23/2003 1:07:39 PM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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Although Lynch's story has yet to be told,

Let's hear the whole story. She's still being protected. I suspect that few women would volunteer to take the risk of being treated like she was.
And we should hear the whole story - otherwise, the idea of women being assigned to front lines is a misrepresentation.

31 posted on 04/23/2003 6:04:21 PM PDT by speekinout
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One day, I had a direct link into Patricia Schroeder's mind. I got to read her thoughts, like Bill Safire sometimes does. Here's what I "channeled":

"Women in combat. It's win-win for us. Firstly it will erode unit cohesiveness and readiness. Men will jeopardize their comrades to protect women, imperiling the mission. Women will become pregnant, further reducing readiness.

"Even better, eventually the public will see technicolor TV of a 20-year-old girl spilling her guts in the sand. They will rise up and prevent the projection of American military power--for any reason--anywhere in the world. Hence we effectively disarm a superpower without appearing to do so. Gosh, I can't wait for film of a young female being gang-raped and tortured. That ought to do it."

Then the signal--mercifully--weakened.

--Boris

32 posted on 04/23/2003 6:07:42 PM PDT by boris (Education is always painful; pain is always educational)
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bttt
34 posted on 07/23/2003 2:57:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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