Appointment with The Apocalypse- the Waco Files

various FR links | 04-28-03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

[backhoe]

Read these first:

A Graveyard Called Waco [Free Republic]

Ghosts of Waco haunt the ruins [Free Republic]

The ATF Fired First [Free Republic]

Then begin here:

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The FLIR Project
			Posted by E. Pluribus Unum On 04/19/2003 5:55 PM EDT with 8 comments FreeRepublic.com ^ | April 15, 2001 | E, Pluribus Unum
Fed's attack Texas church and burn it to the ground.....
			Posted by ASTM366 On 04/19/2003 5:05 PM EDT with 356 comments PBS - WGBH/Frontline ^ | 1995 | PBS
10 years after Waco siege, police face another standoff (Gun Barrel City) - rehash of Waco debacle
			Posted by MeeknMing On 04/19/2003 12:50 PM EDT with 237 comments The Dallas Morning News ^ | April 19, 2003 | By DAVE HIOTT / The Dallas Morning News
Branch Davidian children speak out 10 years after Waco standoff
			Posted by Brian S On 04/18/2003 8:13 PM EDT with 37 comments Associated Press ^ | 04-18-03
10 years later, memories of Waco tragedy linger - fatal Branch Davidian standoff
			Posted by MeeknMing On 04/17/2003 1:28 PM EDT with 82 comments Associated Press ^ | April 17, 2003 | Associated Press Staff
Escaping Waco
			Posted by plain talk On 04/17/2003 11:21 AM EDT with 355 comments ABCNews.com ^ | 4/15/03 | Charles Gibson
Memory of Waco growing dimmer
			Posted by Alissa On 04/13/2003 1:01 PM EDT with 63 comments San Antonio Express News ^ | 4/13/2003 | Dick J. Reavis
Waco vs Iraq
			Posted by cd jones On 04/12/2003 3:43 PM EDT with 27 comments
Feds on Waco: Shooting in the dark
			Posted by JohnHuang2 On 04/12/2003 5:18 AM EDT with 9 comments WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, April 12, 2003 | Barbara Grant
Expert: Government science failed at Waco
			Posted by JohnHuang2 On 04/12/2003 5:17 AM EDT with 11 comments WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, April 12, 2003 | Jon Dougherty
10th Anniversary: The Ghosts of Mt. Carmel
			Posted by sinkspur On 03/31/2003 9:05 PM EST with 27 comments Texas Monthly | April, 2003 | Michael Hall
"Freep The Creep" Clinton Opportunity, Gainesville FL
			Posted by chuknospam On 03/31/2003 12:41 PM EST with 11 comments Gainesville Sun ^ | 3-31-2003 | Me
Former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno: "Bush failed to balance liberty and security"
			Posted by FairOpinion On 03/18/2003 12:04 AM EST with 92 comments Boston.com ^ | March 17, 2003 | AP
An Interview With Bill Clinton (long)
			Posted by JeanS On 03/04/2003 3:09 AM EST with 25 comments The Atlantic Monthly ^ | March 2003 | James Fallows
Tear Gas May Violate Treaties
			Posted by weegee On 03/04/2003 2:51 AM EST with 10 comments AP via Military.com ^ | March 02, 2003 | PAUL ELIAS
Waco - Survivors mark 10-year anniversary of raid on Branch Davidians
			Posted by HAL9000 On 02/27/2003 11:23 PM EST with 14 comments Associated Press | February 27, 2003 | ANGELA K. BROWN

Head of Sept. 11 Probe Allegedly Obstructed Danforth's Waco Inquiry ( COVER UP )

Posted by WakeUpChristian
On 06/23/2002 2:13 PM EDT with 34 comments

FBI Director Nominee Mueller Helped FBI and DOJ Cover Up Evidence on Waco, Ruby Ridge, OKC Bombing

Posted by OKCSubmariner
On 05/28/2002 3:01 PM EDT with 26 comments

Waco Massacre at Mount Carmel
			Posted by NMC EXP On 04/19/2002 10:09 AM EDT with 24 comments Constitution Society ^ | n/a | n/a
Murder in Waco - April 19, 1993
			Posted by ASTM366 On 04/19/2002 10:07 AM EDT with 25 comments

The Agitator Hour 020327 Guest: Film Producer of "Waco: A New Revelation"

Posted by agitator
On 03/27/2002 6:22 PM EST with 10 comments

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Waco: A New Revelation, Reviewed by Gavin Phillips [Free Republic]
... of the ATF/FBI handling of the 51 day siege at Mount Carmel, the home of the Branch Davidians near Waco, Texas. ...

. Waco Massacre at Mount Carmel
Posted on 04/19/2002 7:09 AM PDT by NMC EXP ... community called Mount Carmel, outside Waco, Texas, occupied by a sect called the Branch Davidians, led by a man ...

. Expert supports Waco-video conclusions: Charge that FBI fired on...
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management.

Topic: Waco
various sources in 1993 mid/late 1993 pjd This is a summary of events surrounding the Waco tragedy, exerpted from a thread on Compuserve back in 1993. ... by federal agencies during the siege at Mount Carmel. Web Posted: 12/07/97 20:03:27 PST ... the standoff at Waco, Texas, between the Branch Davidians and two agencies ...

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Waco Fire Report [Free Republic]

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Downside Legacy: Waco - The Trial (2nd Draft) [Free Republic]

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Downside Legacy on WACO-NOW 9/13/99 to 9/17/99 [Free Republic]

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Waco A New Revelation:Review [Free Republic]

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[sinkspur]

I didn't mean to embarrass you.

You didn't embarrass me. But you'll embarrass yourself if you keep this going.

[TigersEye]

If I didn't embarrass you why did you ask me to drop it?

I made a mistake on which group was involved in the standoff in Montana.

This statement proves my point. You made a mistake, calling the Free Men, Militia. A kneejerk freudian slip which is the result of hearing the propaganda so many times that it becomes the automatic thought you jump to whenever "standoff with the government" is said. I can hardly embarrass myself, the evidence is so obvious.

[sinkspur]

Whatever.

[backhoe]

Thanks for looking- I wish I had said that, too- it's about as a succinct reply as I've ever heard!

[backhoe]

Remembrance bump... for the dead-

[backhoe]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1087707/posts
11th Year Anniversary - Fed's Attack Mt. Carmel
PBS, Frontline ^

[Free Trapper]

Thanks for the links along with all the other efforts you put into so many things here. :)

I've been having some trouble keeping things straight at times.

Offhand,can you tell me whatever became of the standoff situation on Cedar Creek Lake near Gunbarrel City,Texas?

[backhoe]

I've been having some trouble keeping things straight at times. Offhand,can you tell me whatever became of the standoff situation on Cedar Creek Lake near Gunbarrel City,Texas?

I am similarly challenged- too damn many "issues" to follow as well as I should.

I am not familiar with the situation you mention, but I will look for it later.

[backhoe]

FYI:

Texas farm standoff enters second year
... The low-intensity standoff between law officers and John Joe Gray has entered ... Mr.
Gray retreated to his property near Cedar Creek Lake last spring and never ...
www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia37.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

Authorities conduct a quiet siege
... they want is "another Waco," alluding to the deadly 1993 standoff with the ... two houses
nestled deep in the Trinity River bottoms just west of Cedar Creek Lake. ...
www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia29.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

5 John Joe Gray (Houston Chronicle)
... Standoff continues amid attack rumors. ... Gray has been holed up with more than a dozen
family members on his wooded 47-acre spread near Cedar Creek Lake, 70 miles ...
www.embassyofheaven.com/current/johnjoe5.htm - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

1 John Joe Gray (Dallas Observer)
... Past Cedar Creek Lake, out Highway 274, then onto a blacktop lane leading to a narrow ... Long
before there was a Waco standoff and the world knew of David Koresh ...
www.embassyofheaven.com/current/johnjoe1.htm - 33k - Cached - Similar pages

November 2, 2000
... December, the Grays have refused to leave their property near Cedar Creek Lake near
Trinidad ... family on behalf of the Ellis County Press after the standoff began ...
www.elliscountypress.com/archive2000/ november_2_2000.htm - 51k - Cached - Similar pages

August 31 2000
... The result is a similar standoff to the start of the Branch Davidian ... on its 47-acre
property on the Trinity River bottom west of Cedar Creek Lake between Tool ...
www.elliscountypress.com/archive2000/ august_31_2000.htm - 33k - Cached - Similar pages

http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/203527_norris_31tex.A. ...
... Ranger on television, has jumped into the middle of a standoff between real ... posted
bail on the charges and then retreated to his property near Cedar Creek Lake. ...
www.no-debts.com/anti-federalist/gray/nov11-00.txt - 6k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

10 years after Waco siege, police face another standoff (Gun ...
... day in another standoff, now nearly three years old. Militant fundamentalist John
Joe Gray, 54, retreated to his 47 acres near Cedar Creek Lake about 40 miles ...
209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/896402/posts - 51k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

[Free Trapper]

Ask backhoe a simple question and I get a full encyclopedia as an answer. :O)

Big thanks for all the links,I'd been wondering what the story was but kept getting a little here and a touch there,not enough to understand the situation at all.

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So far I've only read a couple of the links but did note one thing.

The altercation Gray had with the Texas Troopers happened near Palistine,which is not far from Noonday,maybe 30 miles.

Noonday is where the stash of guns,bombs,bomb making supplies,etc. were found in a storage rental.

The guy that had the stash was from the N.E.part of the Country and was investigated for selling false IDs,I believe.

The two situations happening so close to each other struck me but it's probably just coincidence.

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I've spent a lot of time working on both Cedar Creek Lake and Lake Palistine,besides having family near Noonday,so I know the area pretty well.

[Free Trapper]

Also,David Koresh's bunch had property somewhere near Palistine,I believe.

Probably coincidence but it sure seems strange having all these things so close together.

[backhoe]

The altercation Gray had with the Texas Troopers happened near Palistine,which is not far from Noonday,maybe 30 miles. Noonday is where the stash of guns,bombs,bomb making supplies,etc. were found in a storage rental.

Sonny Bitch!

[Free Trapper]

It is somewhat strange and if I recall,The Branch Davidians nearly built their Church on the property near Palestine before building near Waco but still owned the property during the seige and may still.

Excuse my spelling of Palestine in the other post.Sleepy and medicated.

[backhoe]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1161390/posts
WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT WACO

[backhoe]

^... for remembrance.

[backhoe]

 WACO the rules of engagement ( 1 2 3 4 )

[backhoe]

 Waco: a look back ( 1 2 3)

 

[backhoe]

Waco, The rules of engagement.-- in the end killed them all. Be certain to have a good stiff drink if you're going to watch this, as it is repugnant.

[backhoe]

http://www.mipt.org/murrahfinalrpt.asp
"Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building Bombing, April 19, 1995: Final Report"

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