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Republican Breakup?
PhxNews ^ | Joe Duarte

Posted on 07/30/2003 11:25:27 AM PDT by hsmomx3

If you put your ear to the ground, you can hear the rumble. It is the rumble of political discontent, obsolete bipolarities, and looming realignment. What am I talking about? I’m talking about the coming split of the Republican Party.

Years ago, Jeff Foxworthy blessed America with his “…you might be a redneck” jokes. Drawing upon his comedic methodology:

If you fear the one true God, define America as a “Christian Nation”, seek to make God’s Law the law of the land, think of homosexuals as freaks and sinners, and want to jail women who have abortions…you might be a Republican.

If you think history has bequeathed a destiny upon America to serve as the world’s policeman, to liberate oppressed nations, and you love to stay up all night strategizing on how to isolate the Saudis or punish France…you might be a Republican.

If you think it is the proper role of a Jeffersonian state to steal money from citizens to build civic plazas and university labs…you might be a Republican.

If you don’t care about ballooning budget deficits, and want to jack up government spending as though the rising debt never needs to be paid...you might be a Republican.

If you can’t stand deficits, are firmly committed to balancing the budget, and want to dramatically cut taxes and spending…well, you might have been a Republican in 1980.

There are at least five categories above, and all of them consist of people who identify with the GOP. They are, in order: theocratic Christian conservatives (there are, thank God, non-theocratic ones as well), neoconservatives, Chamber of Commerce Republicans who practice crony capitalism, the Bushies, and finally the blessed fiscal conservatives.

So what’s the problem? These people cannot possibly coexist in the same party for much longer. This is especially true now that Republicans in power have abandoned fiscal responsibility. They now stand for nothing – certainly nothing that would meaningfully separate them from big-spending Democrats.

Republicans were supposed to be about freedom – freedom from that monster which takes freedom away – government. The GOP was supposed to “get the government off our backs.” This hasn’t happened, and government at all levels is violating our rights now more than ever.

The above five groups can really be reduced to two kinds of people. There are those people that want to be left alone, and there are those people that refuse to leave others alone. The former simply want to be left alone to pursue their happiness, and are happy to leave others alone to do the same. They understand government’s proper role is limited to securing this freedom from those (criminals and foreign threats) who would aggress upon their peaceful lives. The latter group are all basically civil thugs. They want to impose their vision of the good on others by force. They don’t care if you’re living a peaceful, happy life. In fact, they might hold it against you. They want to take your money, or arrest you for any number of reasons. Got weed? To jail you go. Got a gay lover? To jail you go. Got a cancer treatment they haven’t approved? To jail you go. Got a successful business? How’s 40% off the top sound?

Republicans used to be the leave-me-alone crowd, and Democrats the thugs. Things are messier now.

What we can expect to see in the coming decade or two is a realignment. There are lots and lots of fine leave-me-alone people in the GOP. They don’t hate gays or brown people. They are pro-abortion and anti-tax. They are basically libertarians, but see themselves as too pragmatic to join the Libertarian Party.

There are also some leave-me-aloners in the Democratic camp. I call them smart gay people: they are too gay to be Republican, but much too smart about self-responsibility and economics to be real Democrats. Smart gay people are really good for America.

The theocratic Christian conservatives are a strong wing of the GOP. They will either grow to dominate the GOP or they will get their asses kicked out by the leave-me-alone Republicans. In any case, what we will see is a realignment that unites all the pro-freedom Americans under a major party. The religious nuts might have their own party, like the Religious Nut Party or something similar. It seems structurally impossible to break the two-party system into three or more parties, but I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility altogether. In any case, two parties might be enough to represent the major threads.

There are lots of unhappy Republicans today, chafing at their party’s abandonment of fiscal restraint and occupation by anti-sodomists. There are some number of Democrats that have tired of the drug war, expanded police powers, and foreign adventurism. These people need to find each other, for they are the best Americans.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2004; 3rdpartyenemy; bigtent; compassionate; conservatives; democrats; dreamon; fiscal; gop; libertarians; mainstreet; religiousright; republicans; rinos; rnc; soleavealready; winwithoutyou
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To: hsmomx3
the Religious Nut Party

There IS a Religious Nut Party, it's the DemocRATS.

Their religion has two main tenents: environmentalism and sexual adventurism.

Don't think they take those things religiously?

Just try speaking out in public against either.

81 posted on 07/30/2003 1:30:58 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Little Bill
Well if you can be optimistic living in an efficient socialist state, I ought to be a little more cheery living in a totally corrupt one.

You're right about the Warsaw Pact.
But sometimes lately I almost think the sheeple are sleeping less soundly.

But there are still many a long hour til dawn.
82 posted on 07/30/2003 1:44:53 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: hsmomx3
Outsider here. Certainly do not presume to get into American politics. Do not pay taxes and cannot vote. Having said that - A word on Mr Foxworthy. Yes, I have heard the man, now I turn anything off when I hear or see this individual.

Like Roger Moore, he makes a huge joke out of certain people. That is ok of course. This man is on safe ground with his humour. Perhaps people do not dare criticise. All good fun, of course. Problem is that he is a white liberals dream. Pour on the stereotype and make believe it is fun.

Ok Foxworthy, you gets Peter Libra's gold medal. You deserve it. Question is when you mount the podium, Where should the gold medal be put?

When and if people see though his "hate' which is what it is, he won't seem funny anymore. Flame away. Semi-icons are there to be shot down.

83 posted on 07/30/2003 1:47:56 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: hsmomx3
This A$$hole just doesn't understand that it only takes two words to unify all of these splinters and many dim as well.

"Hitlery 2004"
84 posted on 07/30/2003 1:51:23 PM PDT by Big Mack
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To: Lael
PhxNews is an online outlet where people post articles/links/their opinions. The link is: http://www.PhxNews.org
85 posted on 07/30/2003 1:54:21 PM PDT by hsmomx3 (I want a Napolitano recall NOW!)
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To: Lael
I messed up!! It's http://www.PhxNews.com
86 posted on 07/30/2003 1:55:33 PM PDT by hsmomx3 (I want a Napolitano recall NOW!)
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To: hobbes1
Pat Buchanan and Libertarians?Arent those two schools of thought opposites?
87 posted on 07/30/2003 1:56:15 PM PDT by armed_in_sydney
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To: hsmomx3
Barf alert please.

Pure drivel.

88 posted on 07/30/2003 1:57:08 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
But there are still many a long hour til dawn.

It is always darkest before the dawn, after 40 years of exile in this socalist hell, I think that the tide is turning.

When I look at the young FReepers in the Boston area and their conservitive ideals, and the youth of the libertarians, I think that in time we can have another Gadansk.

89 posted on 07/30/2003 2:00:17 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Sometimes I'm ashamed to be a Republican.

A person has to be something if he wants to play in the game. If fellow Rs are doing things that embarass, call them out, demand justice!

90 posted on 07/30/2003 2:02:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: CyberCowboy777
>Ho wmuch more power do you want to give Governmnet?

Ok, let's repeal all laws and let people do what they want because you don't want "big government".

We are a Christian country, we need to pass laws that reflect that.

Man, I thought this was a conservative forum. some of you guys sound like appeazers to me

Redneck
- If you don't agree with us, you ain't no American!
91 posted on 07/30/2003 2:05:05 PM PDT by RedneckRampage
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To: CyberCowboy777
There is such a thing as a healthy society made up of individual citizens who decide what the norm is in their communities.

Society has a right to protest federally funded public schools agenda to present this diseased life choice before their children as normal or without hazzards.

In fact the public school has no business what so ever discussing it or teaching anything besides the three R's. Morality is best left to the parents to instruct.

92 posted on 07/30/2003 2:19:51 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Skibane; jlogajan; AdamSelene235; coloradan; jimt; freeeee; Pahuanui; tdadams; ...
There are those people that want to be left alone,
and there are those people that refuse to leave others alone


Ping for a common sense, hence controversial, article.
93 posted on 07/30/2003 2:26:29 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: MissAmericanPie
You are correct in all your statements.

In an earlier post I took the same position on schools. I just did not expand on it.


But you cannot force morality and at some point any power you give government to try and do so will turn on you.

Government needs only the most minimal amount of power to enforce a basic rule of law.
94 posted on 07/30/2003 2:27:25 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: hsmomx3; cateizgr8
Looks about right to me.
95 posted on 07/30/2003 2:31:52 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield (TANSTAAFL)
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To: hsmomx3
Oops, part right. I don't think we are 'adventuring' in Iraq. We are doing some overdue housecleaning.
96 posted on 07/30/2003 2:34:27 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield (TANSTAAFL)
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To: My2Cents
You make a very good point. Too many people castigate Snowe, for example, over the 35% they don't agree with rather than the 65% they do agree with.

Some realism is in order. Tom Foley was as liberal as they come, but he was always a big 2nd Amendment supporter. When asked why, he replied that he would be tossed out of office if he backed gun control.

In many areas of the country, a Republican can only be elected if they are pro-abortion. I know that outrages some people on this forum, but the alternative would be a pro-abortion 'Rat. In choosing political candidates, heed the words of Mayor Ed Koch: "If you agree with me on 9 of 12 issues, vote for me. If you agree with me on 12 of 12, see a psychiatrist."
97 posted on 07/30/2003 2:37:35 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats
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To: gcruse
While the premise of a limited government is to be hailed this writer is not correct in his break down of 'republican' factions or the ideologies.

I am a Right Wing Christian Conservative, I am also a Fiscal Conservative. I don’t hate gays or brown people. I am anti-abortion and anti- federal tax. I don't want to outlaw porn or guns. I don't want D.C. funding welfare or public schools or churches. I do support State and local control even if they want to display the Ten Commandments, a Buddhist bell or a statue of MLK. I am against the Drug War but not for legalizing pot across the board. (it should be a state and local issue).

This writer only wants to separate us so that we cannot work together on the issue we agree upon.
98 posted on 07/30/2003 2:40:15 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Ed Koch, by the way, has endorsed George W. Bush for re-election....another strike against Bush with some, I'm sure.
99 posted on 07/30/2003 2:41:08 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: anniegetyourgun
ROFL
100 posted on 07/30/2003 2:42:42 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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