Former Boy Scout Master Accused Of Sexual Abuse - works for Florida's child welfare agency!

Tampa Tribune ^ | Sep 14, 2003

[Tailgunner Joe]

GAINESVILLE - A former Scout master with the Boy Scouts of America who also works for the state's child welfare agency was arrested on charges of raping a boy in his troop. Hugh Eric Self, 35, was charged with sexually abusing the child, now 12, several times between November 2002 and July, Alachua County Sheriff's Sgt. Keith Faulk said.

Self was held in the Alachua County jail with no bail set Saturday. He was arrested Friday.

According to the arrest report, Self met the boy, then 8, through Scouting events and the boy was later in his Scout troop. The child told authorities he didn't report the abuse earlier because Self had threatened him.

Self recently quit as Scout master and will be suspended from the organization, said John Reesor, Scout executive for the North Florida Council.

Self is employed by the Department of Children & Families as a public assistance caseworker, said Tom Barnes, Alachua County DCF spokesman. Self didn't work with children, but DCF officials moved him to the personnel office at Tacachale when they learned of the sheriff's investigation, Barnes said.

[Paleo Conservative]

- works for Florida's child welfare agency!

As Willie Sutton would say, "that's where the boys are."

[concerned about politics]

Oh yeh. Let the homos near your children - NOT!!!

[Abram]

Why do the predators have to sully one of the great insitutions like the BSA? They have tarnished so many great institutions as of late (publicly) and have further damaged more privately throughout history. I feel sorry for this young man as he will be scarred for life. Hopefully he will be able to surpass the scars of his abuse and break the cycle of abuse. All too often, abused people end up victimizing others. Let's hope that he will get the necessary help that will help him to deal with this abuse. Young man, our thoughts and prayers are with you.

My brother works as a Program Director at a Boy Scout Camp. He tells me that a huge number of boys that come to his camp have been abused at some time in their past. He helps to organize professionals to address this issue and puts the boys' families in contact with the authorities (or if the family is the abuser) contacts the necessary agencies to report the abuse. I sorrows me that people are breaking one of the great commandments of "suffering the children to come unto me".

This is not a political issue, but a moral issue.


END THE CYCLE OF ABUSE!!!

[nevergore]

As a current Scoutmaster I am ever vigilant to ensure a predator is not among us.....Unfortunately, the reason the predators hang around all types of Boy's Clubs is that is where their prey is.....

While the remainder of the Scout leadership is not watching, these predators will hide among the adult leaders (or just one of the dad's) and could wreak havoc in short time....

All Scout Leaders are required to always have two deep leadership and a buddy system for the Scouts. No Scout is ever allowed in a Scout leaders (or adults) tent nor visa versa....

Thank God this one was caught before more children were assaulted.... There is a special place in Hell for these degenerates....

NeverGore

[Ebenezer]

And so, the pressure groups are out there railing against the Boy Scouts' opposition to homosexual Scoutmasters. For what? To allow deviants easy access to young boys as was the case of this Florida man?

Greatly repulsive is the man who works his way into a position of great trust (such as a priest or Scoutmaster) in order to satisfy his sexual appetites. Equally repulsive are those who enable this kind of behavior in the name of "civil rights".

[randog]

While the remainder of the Scout leadership is not watching, these predators will hide among the adult leaders (or just one of the dad's) and could wreak havoc in short time....

There are two scoutmasters from my old troop that are now doing hard time for child sex abuse. Luckily, I dodged the bullet, and it makes me really mad to hear about this stuff.

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[Abram]

That is wonderful. I am a Webelos leader and the leadership hesitated getting me an assistant. I complained and complained until I finally got another adult to work with me.

Thank you for your service. You are right, the prey is there and Scoutmasters are figures of authority and children can easily fall prey.

Thankfully, the numbers of occurences with the Scouts is limited (at least public). It is a very wholesome organization that encourages morality. It doesn't prevent it from happening, but hopefully, the safeguards can reduce the number of occurrences.

[Abram]

Not to derail your argument, pedophiles are different than homosexuals. Many studies indicate that homosexuals tend to be less likely to abuse children than heterosexual adults.

A lot of people have same sex attraction that are not "out of the closet" or even pedophiles. Lumping homosexuals into a category of abusers is not scientifically accurate. I worry about the youth of today and hope that they can be protected from the evils of life. They have enough to deal with without the sick preying upon them.

[ArrogantBustard]

Why do the predators have to sully one of the great insitutions like the BSA Catholic Church?

Answer: They go where the children are, and where people don't expect to find evildoers. Note that we don't think of him as "sullying" Florida's child welfare agency. ;-}

[nevergore]

The Dad's (& Mom's) in your Webelo's Den should volunteer to be Scout Leaders....All it takes is they fill out the BSA form and pay ten bucks.....Get two or three to do this and you can rotate your assistants so they won't complain about the time commitment.....

Scout's and Cub structure are entirely different....Cub's are adult lead where Scout's are "boy lead"....

NeverGore

[John O]

Not to derail your argument, pedophiles are different than homosexuals. Many studies indicate that homosexuals tend to be less likely to abuse children than heterosexual adults.

A lot of people have same sex attraction that are not "out of the closet" or even pedophiles. Lumping homosexuals into a category of abusers is not scientifically accurate.

You apparently don't get much reading done here. I'll point you to the studies, you read them.

Gay dads want their son to grow up straight (post 105)

See also posts 106 through 120 or so, also follow links provided. It is extrememly well established scientifically that someone who practices homosexual behvaior will also be far more likely to molest children. These are just a few that were posted in the last week or so. Turns out that a person who practices homosexual behavior is from 3 to 30 times more likely to also molest children. Read the posts and links and learn.

I don't know if it was linked on any of the provided links but it's also proven that a 'homosexual' molestor will have a far greater number of victims.

[Abram]

You make some good points....I worry that people tend to label or compartamentalize people into little categories. Deviant behavior should be unacceptable, but not all homosexuals are pedophiles. There is a difference. Although some homosexuals are both homosexual and pedophiles, the two are completely different issues. There are several studies that demostrate that many pedophiles are heterosexual and appear to be good, upstanding members of the community.
Word to society, watch and protect your children. The nice woman at the library or the kindly gentleman at the park many be a monster under the surface. Family members are often the perpetrators...I hate suspecting anyone, but child abuse has hit very close to home in my life. It is a lot more common that people want to acknowledge or admit.
People put labels or tags on homosexuals. I agree with a couple of posters here that I hate that this forum descends quickly into homophobia and intolerance. Homosexuals in this circumstance was not the issue...it was pedophilia (in my opinion, an issue far worse as it is affecting children).

[Abram]

I would agree except that I volunteer in a community that there are a lot of broken homes and families. These kids need the positive structure of the Scouting Program as they are not getting positive reinforcement at home. Parents were not willing to volunteer the time, but the leaders were able to find the volunteer needed to work with me in this program. Sorry, this is a scary time and I wanted to have another leader with me to hopefully false accusations and the like.

[Abram]

These predators frequent locations where there are potential victims. You mention the Catholic Church...a popular scapegoat right now...unfortunately, just about every church, organization, group that works with children has been fingered and has been guilty of not protecting these children sufficently. The LDS Church, the Jehovah's Witnesses, many Protestant churchs, Jewish organizations, the Boys and Girls Clubs, Little League. Predators flock to areas where there are a lot of potential victims.

[John O]

Homosexuals in this circumstance was not the issue...it was pedophilia (in my opinion, an issue far worse as it is affecting children).

Here we have a case of a man molesting a boy. That makes it homosexual. It is also pedophilia but it is definitely homosexual activity.

While there are more heterosexual molesters than 'homosexual' molesters there are a far higher percentage of 'homosexual' molesters than there should be based on the percentage of 'homosexuals' in the population. (something like 35% of all molesters are 'homosexuals' compared to only 1.6-2% 'homosexuals' in the population) BTW, I know a large number of people who were molested and most of them were molested by 'homosexuals'. I know of only two who were molested by heterosexuals.

What this boils down to is that every 'homosexual' must be considered a child molester as the odds are so great that he/she is. It's just not worth our children's safety to consider a sexual pervert as anything but a molester.

Which leads of course to the third law of homosexuality:

Any exposure of children to homosexual behvaior is child abuse

[Abram]

So by your assumption that since men tend to perpetrate more than women, we should avoid allowing our children to associate with men?

I disagree.

I guess, me personally, I would be more careful with my children around homosexual men because studies have shown that homosexuals overwhelmingly can be demonstrated to be victims of abuse and victims of abuse overwhelmingly can be shown to be abusers. Unfortunately, the cycle of abuse continues.

The logic is slightly flawed, but I do see where you are coming from.

[EdReform]

"There are several studies that demostrate that many pedophiles are heterosexual and appear to be good, upstanding members of the community."

Would you please cite the studies you are referring to? Thanks!