The Oath Against Modernism and the Spirit of Vatican II

Catholic Family News ^ | January, 2000 | Raymond B. Marcin

[Land of the Irish]

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[Dajjal]

The implications are startling. Every single bishop, Archbishop, and Cardinal who participated in Vatican II and every single Vatican II peritus (expert advisor) who was also a priest, without exception, had taken the Oath Against Modernism mandated for all Catholic clergy by Pope Saint Pius X in 1910 and not rescinded by the Vatican until 1967. To use a portion of the words of the oath, every single participant in Vatican II was under an oath-bound obligation to God Almighty "with due reverence [to] submit and adhere with [his] whole heart to the condemnations, declarations, and all prescripts contained in the encyclical Pascendi and in the decree Lamentabili".
Seen in this light, Cardinal Ratzinger’s statements are truly astonishing. How could the participants of Vatican II set out, intentionally, to "correct", or to set up a "counter syllabus" to, that to which they all, without exception, had sworn, "with [their] whole heart," to "submit and adhere"? It is a puzzlement.

What's a little oath when you are being moved by the Spirit of Vatican Two?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

He who is not angry, whereas he has cause to be, sins. For unreasonable patience is the hotbed of many vices, it fosters negligence, and incites not only the wicked but even the good to do wrong.”
-- St. John Chrysostom

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I found a great website today. It looks fabulous to me as someone who was never taught the ways of the pre VII Church. If anyone has the time to check it out and give some feedback I'd be most appreciative. I've found it very educational.

http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/beingcatholic.html

[Dajjal]

http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/beingcatholic.html

That site is amazing!!! Chock full of information, exceptionally well organized!!!

I looked mostly through the "Before Converting" and "Things You Need To Know" and dabbled in the other sections, and I think it is top notch!

[Jim Noble]

Are we, perhaps, to think that the Oath Against Modernism was, after all, merely a "form" oath, taken only as a matter of routine over all those years between 1910 and 1967 by all those being ordained to the subdiaconate with very little conscious advertence, and then more or less promptly forgotten – just a relic of a past age?

In the words (referring to annulment) of the famous American Catholic and former Boston congressman Joseph Kennedy, "Catholic gobbledegook".

[JesseHousman]

If we are to judge by the fruits of Vatican II, what are we to believe?

Indeed.

Thanks Land of the Irish for the posting of this important article.

Additional comments, other than I agree wholeheartedly with the author, would be needless.

Thanks to the others for that link to an important website.

[Maximilian]

I found a great website today. It looks fabulous to me as someone who was never taught the ways of the pre VII Church.

Here is the home page: Apologia

It used to have a different name, but I can't recall what it was. I have corresponded via traditional Catholic email groups with the woman who runs this site, and based on my experience, I would recommend it highly.

[sinkspur]

I have corresponded via traditional Catholic email groups with the woman who runs this site, and based on my experience, I would recommend it highly

As long as you stay away from the goofy links, such as novusordowatch.org, which paints every post-conciliar Pope as a freemason, secularist, socialist, and heretic.

It's full of paranoia, Max.

[sinkspur]

Jesse, you, too can get your very own NUN DOLL OF THE MONTH, for only 127 semolians.

There are Catholic schoolgirl dolls, dressed in various school uniforms as well.

Who collects such things?

[sneakers]

Went to that website and checked it out. What wonderful information. I've bookmarked it and will be exploring it further. Thanks for posting it.

[Unam Sanctam]

I clicked on the two "critiques" of the Catechism of the Catholic Church on this site, one of which was by the SSPX and the other from the Abbe de Nantes. Apparently the Catechism is full of heretical teachings, the Pope is a heretic, Vatican II Council full of heretical teachings, and all Catholics who don't agree are "Neo-Catholics". Give me a break! I am as concerned about orthodoxy in the Church as anyone. I value Tradition and tradition prior to Vatican II and desire more reverence in the liturgy. But this is just ridiculous. Perhaps the Catechism and the Vatican II documents could be criticized for their sometimes vague and mushy style of writing, but neither are heretical, or overturn Scripture or Tradition or the deposit if faith. The Catechism is in fact an effort to shore up orthodox teaching and belief in the Church. To just trash the Pope and the Council and call people names rather than working within the Church to restore sound doctrine and worship is merely destructive. It is not constructive in the least and bears no fruit.

[sinkspur]

the-pope.com is a sede-vacantist site.

[sinkspur]

The website is crawling with goofiness, sede-vacantism, and trashing of John Paul II.

Oh, and there's this little jewel:

The Novus Ordo liturgy is the Mass of Cain, offering that "which earth has given and human hands have made." The traditional Mass offers the Divine Victim, the Lamb of God, to the Father..

I'm sure I'll find some anti-semitism, masked as "anti-Judaism" in here shortly.

[ex-snook]

Thank you for this site. This was of interest to me.

" too many converts may find themselves in places where "RCIA classes" (the classes taken by most adults wanting to convert) are run by dissidents who oppose Catholic teaching, water down doctrine, or simply don't cover important basics of the Faith, such as the Communion of Saints and Purgatory. "

Some time ago I have had first hand knowledge that this is true about 'classes'. However what I also know is the absence of an approved 'classroom' teaching source w/handouts that sets forth what Catholics should believe. [The Catechism contains a lot more than the Apostle's Creed and is not a listing of an affirmation of some simple statements of "I Believe......"]

So what's useable out there now that distinguishes between what 'Catholics have to believe' and the history of the Church?

[sinkspur]

Found it.

Here's a link, given in one of the "Miscellaneous Writings and Books" on "Jewish-Catholic Relations."

It's The Jewish Tribal Review.

Nice little site you guys frequent here.

Who would have imagined you'd find a little anti-semitism linked to (but disavowed) on a trad website?

[Unam Sanctam]

I was a bit surprised to find the Abbe de Nantes' "Fourth Heresy" of the Catechism of the Catholic Church is the "error on the innocence of the Jews and the culpability of Christians in the passion and death of Jesus Crucified," by which he apparently does not merely mean the culpability of the individual Jews involved in Jesus' denunciation and trial at the time of the Passion, but all Jews collectively for all time. Quite chilling stuff really.

[8mmMauser]

Great resource. Home page has a lot of stuff, too.